Planned Battle Rating changes, January 2023

[Stona_WT 72,761]

 

We continue to monitor the Battle Ratings of vehicles and their competitive capabilities. Below you will find a list of the changes we want to make in January 2023.

 

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Aircraft rank changes

In the “Apex Predators” update, we added several new aircraft of rank VIII and as announced subsequently, we will be moving some rank VII aircraft to rank VIII: F-14A, MiG-23MLA, MiG-23MLD, MiG-27K, Harrier GR.7 and Mirage 2000C-S5. We also will be moving the F-104S from rank VI to rank VII. The aircraft transfer will take place with the release of the planned BR changes.

The conditions for opening new aircraft ranks will also be adjusted to comply with the general rule for opening new ranks. 

• Germany - for opening of rank VII aircraft, the number of required aircraft at rank VI has been adjusted from 3 to 4.
• Italy - for opening of rank V aircraft, the number of required aircraft at rank IV has been adjusted from 5 to 6. For opening rank VIII aircraft, the number of required aircraft at rank VII has been adjusted to 2.
• Sweden - for opening of rank III aircraft, the number of required aircraft at rank II has been adjusted from 4 to 6. For opening rank V aircraft, the number of required aircraft at rank IV has been adjusted from 5 to 6. For opening rank VII aircraft, the number of required aircraft at rank VI has been adjusted from 3 to 4.
   

 

If you think we should make some additional changes or do not agree with listed changes, please support your suggestions with arguments!
We read all your feedback, so it can take some time to approve your post. Please be sure to stay on topic.

Thanks!

 

[Flame2512 3,385]

I do not think any of the Tornadoes need to go up. They are not particularly good aircraft at their current BR. 

 

Also it seems that the Tornado IDS Marineflieger is planned to stay at 10.7. There is no reason why all the other Tornadoes should be an entire 1.0 BR higher purely because they have the ability to carry four guided bombs, which don't even have a use in air battles.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Flame2512

[Adr_Farling 265]

Great, really great.

I would suggest to move the J35D to 10.3 since it is worse than the J35XS in terms of countermeasures, armament and IRST and should therefore not be on the same BR.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Adr_Farling

[Chris4win 366]

A few suggestions:

-If all M48s are moving to 7.0 all M47s should be aswell. M47 is a little bit worse than the m48, makes no sense that it stays at 7.3

-Add milan 2 to the marder 1a3 and keep it at 8.0. Milan 2 would make it more different to the marder 1a-.

-Add dm63 to the radkampfwagen 90 or move it down to 9.3. It has no thermals and uptieres are terrible. 

-downtier tornados to 11.0 and not move it up to 11.7. It´s not equal to the f14!

 

[Kawashima_Momo 44]

I really don't understand why the Sea Fury BR is going up. The Sea Fury is a plane that is not widely used and has a very subtle performance. It is neither strong nor weak. And I don't see how it can compete with the F4U-4B.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Kawashima_Momo

[We_will_rock_you 108]

why tornados 11.7??? it doesn't have any BVR missles, only two AIM-9Ls, and few LGBs. I think BR nerf to tornados are so harsh.

[GhostHunterFTW 37]

Any plans to move the Challenger 2F and TES down to 10.7? They are absolutely not competitive at 11.0 imo as the armor packages that they have are not practically effective at 11.0 where APFSDS is the common round, and they have even worse mobility compared to the base Challenger 2. Would help make the UK top tier lineup to be more competitive imo. Save 11.0 for Black Night and (potentially) the Challenger 3.

Edited January 19, 2023 by GhostHunterFTW

[Oshida_BCF 116]

Thank you soooooooooooo much

 

But why only 3 planes are going to rank 8 ?
Or are those "new" rank 8 planes ? not the one added this update ?

 

 

Also thanks a huge lot for 12.0

 

But will tanks ever reach that BR ?

won't plane be "not" able to play against tanks at some points ?

Edited January 19, 2023 by Oshida_BCF

[Dr_Henk 101]

Great that the BR ceiling is going up again, but did you forget the F-14? Its still one if not the most capable top tier fighter in the game, so please move it to 12.0 as well. That way 10.7 planes (which are all inferiour in almost every way) don't need to fight the damn thing. I also agree with @Chris4win to move the M47 down as well, nobody really plays it at its current BR. 

Also, can the all aspect missile using ground attackers go up now as well. Most if not all of them could go to 10.7 where they don't have to fight top tier and don't ruin the matches for 8.7 planes. Its really frustrating for newer players in early jets to deal with these aircraft. 

Ground isn't looking too bad at the moment, but can't you also raise the BR ceiling for that some time again? 

Edited January 19, 2023 by Dr_Henk

[NestleKitkat 1,404]

F-104A/C move down to 9.3 and G.91YS will get higher BR than early supersonic jets?????

 

Decompession is good things but, why Gaijin compress 8.0 to 9.0 tiers even more??? 

Edited January 19, 2023 by NoBombersInJetRB

[RideR2 5,040]

A question, I see that the SB column is removed.

Does that mean this gamemode will never get any BR changes?

It needs them, especially now after the MM changes (introduction of BR rotations), there are many planes which literally destroy brackets and it's very hard to counter them.

For example the F4u-4 at 5.0, or the A-6E premium at 10.0 (should be moved to 10.3 or 10.7), or the A-10A and Su-25 (should be moved to 10.3), most of the 10.3 planes on the Russian side doesn't even have any flares with the exception being the Su-25 which is also undertiered, there's the MiG-21 premium with flares and a few F-104s which don't always fight on the Russian side.

The A-6E is literally carrying four AIM-9L missiles and 1000 flares while being at 10.0, the plane also has decent turn rate and is fast if it decides to carry missiles only.

[DrNukinstein 323]

The Tornados don't deserve to go up, they're strike fighters that carry VERY limited AA weapons, if anything they should go down.

Also the Chinese M41D needs to drop to 7.7, it's poor mobility, lack of effective munitions, and no armor make it painful and unfun to play, honestly I don't think 7.7 will fix it, but it will help make a poor vehicle slightly less poor

[MERTRAL 1,685]

Ayo questions

 

why are the tornado going up and not the mirage 2000s ? (I think it's missed in the writing but to be sure xd)

 

also the strela now has the same br as the type 93, pretty weird...

 

and the f104... well, stay like that, I will maybe sealclub next patch with it xd

[danredda 233]

Personally, I don't think this will do anything to correct the win imbalance between the US teams and other nations in top tier air RB so long as the F-14 remains lower than top tier. 6 AIM-7Fs and it's flight performance are more than capable enough to have it at the same level as the F-16s. With the decompression, if you're worried about it fitting in give it AIM-9L too then - as it will be far less impactful to add at 12.0, than if it were remaining at 11.3 (at 12.0, it would face more all-aspect missiles than not). This will result in teams balancing the F-14s out in the matchmaker as well as the F-16s and Mig-29 - far more comparable to the F-14 than the EJ Kai, Harrier GR.7, or Tornado.

 

Also got no clue why the Tornado belongs at 11.7, if you're not adding a comparable ground BR. It is completely ridiculous that the exact same airframe can sit at 10.7 for realistic with the only difference being guided bombs that are completely useless in Air battles. If you're not willing to split the BR for air/ground, at least keep it around a comparable BR as other guided weapons platforms such as the Mig-27K, Su-22s etc. Moving it to 11.7 will make it even more completely useless to play in air RB than it already is.

[Bunny 宝妮 1,477]

20 minutes ago, Chris4win said:

-downtier tornados to 11.0 and not move it up to 11.7. It´s not equal to the f14!

But you have to keep in mind that the event tornado is at 10.7. The tech tree Tornado might have 4 guided bombs ammunitions, it is still better than that unguided bombs in the event Tornado.

Anyways, while the tech tree Tornado doesn't necessarily have to increase in BR, I do think the event Tornado BR should be decreased in BR. Currently, the event Tornado seems a little out of place, especially with the ASM doesn't even work as intended.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Revenesis

[DaBlitz_633 48]

13 minutes ago, NoBombersInJetRB said:

F-104A/C move down to 9.3 and G.91YS will get higher BR than early supersonic jets?????

 

Decompession is good things but, why Gaijin compress 8.0 to 9.0 tiers even more??? 

All supersonic jets should be 10.0 and above, the high subsonics are getting more and more shafted every update....

[Conejero00 165]

Wasn't the MiG-23MLD supposed to also go to rank VIII?

[Генерал Армагеддон 157]

Su-17M2 and Su-22M3 require a reduction in battle rating in the RB, they are on the same BR as the Su-17M4, which surpasses them in armament and the number of countermeasures 

[NoodleCup31 8,824]

RB feedback (updated)

 

Air:

 

Me 262 A-1a/U1: 7.3 --> 7.0

Heavier and thus worse performing than the regular 262 which is already significantly outclassed at 7.0

 

Cl-13 Mk.4: 8.7 --> 8.3

Objectively the worst Sabre in the game, same engine as the Mk.5 but worse agility (missing leading edge slats)

 

Cl-13A Mk.5: 9.0 --> 8.7

A whole 6-7% thrust increase over the F-25 and F-35 Sabres, otherwise completely identical.

No missiles, better wings or better armament (F-2 and F-40) to warrant a higher BR.

 

Cl-13 Mk.6: 9.3 --> 9.0

While it's the best Sabre in game performance wise, it still only has .50 cals and AIM-9B which are basically useless at this BR, especially since Mach 2 jets with much better missiles and flares are the same BR!

 

Su-11: 7.0 --> 7.7

Absurd performance.

It is (significantly) superiour to every 7.0, 7.3 and even some 7.7 and 8.0 jets.

There is absolutely no justification for this things current BR.

 

Su-25 (both): 9.7 --> 10.0

Should not be lower than the A-10s, they are simply superiour.

Significantly better flight performance and more and better armament options.

Also, all aspect missiles should not be anywhere close to 9.7.

 

A-6E TRAM: 10.0 --> 10.7

Basically the best ground attack loadouts in the game, faster and better overall performance than Su-25 and A-10.

Also excellent at A2A combat because of gunpods, countermeasures and AIM-9L

 

Tornados (all except MFG): 11.3 --> 11.0

They should be going DOWN not UP in BR.

The flight performance is highly inferiour to most other planes (attackers and fighters) at this BR range.

Four guided bombs are nota unusually good loadout, many other planes have more of them at a lower BR.

Phantoms are faster, way more manouverable, have better bomb loadouts, more A2A weapons and more countermeasures and all this applies to Su-17M4 and MiG-27 as well.

 

Ground:

 

Radkampfwagen 90: 9.7 --> 9.3

It has nothing going for it, even in its own tech tree TAM 2C and Leopard 2AV/2K/PT-16 are way more competitive.

Comparable light tanks at or even below it's BR have autoloaders, gen 2 thermals, better gun handling, better mobility or even a combination of those.

The mobility is only average for a light tank at 9.7 but it has none of the other key features comparable vehicles have.

The Rooikat 105, Centauro and Type 16 the same firepower, better gun handling, thermals but a bit worse mobilty at a lot lower BR.

 

Ferdinand / Elefant: 6.7 --> 6.3

They were fine at 6.3.

At 6.7 basically every opponent has over 200mm of pen and that even with APHE, not speaking of the large amount of HEAT-FS and APDS.

They are very slow and since they don't even have a ueable armor advantage over the Tiger II and also the Jagdtiger, it completely negates the point of losing the turret but getting thicker armor in return.

 

BMP-2M: 9.3 --> 10.3

Best IFV in the game, fast firing gun with APFSDS, excellent mobilty and gun handling, best ground based ATGMs in the entire game with four ready to fire on the move with a stabilized launcher.

Gen 2 thermals as well.

 

2S38: 9.7 --> 10.0

Extremely powerful with aircraft tracking, proxy fuse, high firerate, high pen APFSDS and good accuracy + gen 3 thermals

 

WMA301/PTL-02: 8.3 --> 8.7

Good firepower with thermals.

Once again other armored cars are way higher im BR.

 

Balance suggestions (soft stats/ammunition):

 

Maus/E-100: reload time 23,6 sec --> 20,5 sec (IS-6)

With the Maus still being 7.7, it could really need a slight buff in firepower since unlike other heavy tanks like the IS-3, IS-4, M103 or Conqueror it really is a "heavy" tank without any tactical mobility (similarly to the T95).

 

Jagdtiger: reload time 23,6 sec --> 19,4 sec (T34, Sturer Emil)

The Jagdtiger has two dedicated loaders for its two-piece ammo, because of this the reload should be faster than the Maus/E-100 and significantly faster than IS-3 and IS-4 with their cramped turrets and only a single loader.

The Sturer Emil loads the exact same ammo into a nearly identical gun in 19,4 sec with just a single loader!

 

Tiger II 10,5cm: reload time 20 sec --> 16,2 sec (T29)

Two loaders for 105mm two-piece ammunition, same as on the T29 yet slower for some reason

 

Marder 1A1: add DM63

20mm HVAP is not even able to kill most light tanks from the front.

It already has the worst ground based ATGMs in the game and only four of them with relatively long reload and very limited launch angles.

It should at least have some firepower, the BMP-1 not only has far superiour missiles but also a gun capable of engaging every other tank frontally.

 

Marder 1A3: add MILAN 2

Same as above, MILAN is basically the worst ground based ATGM in game and it has quite a bit below average mobility as well.

The gun is also sub par so it should at least have the slightly improved missiles.

 

Leopard 2AV: add DM63

More or less the worst Leopard 2 in game since the armor is worthless and it only has an average reloading 105 and no thermals either

 

Radkampfwagen 90: add DM63

Compensating the complete lack of thermals and gun handling.

All other wheeled tanks not only have thermals (even Gen 2-3) but most are 0.7-1.3!! BRs lower

Edited January 19, 2023 by NoodleCup31

[不是很能抗压 1,265]

F-14 should go to 12.0 and F-16 should go to 11.7.

Tornado should be in 11.0.

J-7D should go to 10.7, it is only a better mig21mf.

SA.342L should go to 8.3.

Z9WA go to 10.0 with only the HJ-8, Z19 go to 10.7 with only the AKD9.

Amazing, seem that Chinese heli should only be a spaa, pls at least give the some better atgm if it exist.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Zero_Seeker

[KOMMyHuCT_USSR 1,274]

A couple of extremely obvious suggestions (for RB, obviously):

1) A-10A (Early): 10.0 -> 10.3

Just because it has two less missiles compared to the TT variant doesn't make these two AIM-9Ls any more fair against 9.0s.

2) Su-25/Su-25K: 9.7 -> 10.3
They are far more competent at A2A than Warthogs since their flight performance is that of an actual jet rather than of a superprop and their missiles are arguably even harder to evade at closer ranges if you don't have flares. No reason they should be any lower than the A-10As.

3) A-6E TRAM: 10.0 -> 10.7
Same missiles and much better flight performance than the A-10As. Not having an internal cannon doesn't particularly matter when you have the option to bring a gunpod.

4) Su-11: 7.0 -> 7.7

How in the bloody hell is THIS at the same BR as Me 262s and the Ho 229 and BELOW the Meteor F Mk 3? This premium alone makes early jets utterly unplayable if you're not on the Soviet team, and even if you are, you often don't get to do anything since just a couple of semi-skilled Su-11s can wipe the floor with the enemy team before you even get a chance to kill anyone.

Edited January 19, 2023 by KOMMyHuCT_USSR

[esapekkis 2,659]

Lets start with feedback to your BR changes in SB:

 

Seems like you forgot these? With the new rotating BR brackets you should really start updating the air SB BRs again.

 

My suggestions for BR changes in SB for the next update:

 

Vehicle: MB.5

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 4.7 to 5.3 (removing it from all EC3 games)

Reason for change: Post-war Super Prop with way too good flying performance for being in any of the EC3 lineups

 

Vehicle: Mörkö-Morane

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 1.7 to 2.7 (removing it from all EC1 games)

Reason for change: With the upgraded engine prefomance and MG151 armamanet this Morane modification has way too good flying performance for any EC1 lineups

 

Vehicle: Pyörremyrsky

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 3.7 to 4.3 - 4.7

Reason for change: The only reason the BR of this plane was lowered to this low back in the days of pack pre-order was because you could not join a game unless it had this one specific BR. Performance wise it is comparable to bf 109G models so it really needs a notable BR bumb

 

Vehicle: F4U-4

Mode: SB

Suggested Change: 5.0 to 5.7

Reason for change: It has excellent overall flying performance and really dominates around its BR. Would probably need a couple notches higher BR instead of just one step.

 

 

There is also a wide variety of planes which could need more than one or two step higher BR. These are just the very first ones that come to my mind and which need more than one step incerase.

[andrew4444 152]

F-14 11.3 -> 12.0. Best top BR jet right now

Edited January 19, 2023 by andrew4444

[LaPlus Darknesss 682]

When will the M1 Abrams (10.0) be moved to 9.7? It just doesn't hold up like it used to.

Yes it is a great tank, but it's time for it to be brought down some, especially since it's always getting seen in up tiers and getting clobbered by everything it sees, it doesn't fit 10.0 play style anymore.

 

I also suggest moving some of the Top Rank Vehicles up .3 br 

US

M1A2 Sep 11.0 -> 11.3

 

Germany

Leopard 2a6 11.0 -> 11.3

FlaRakRad 11.0 -> 11.3

 

USSR

T-80BVM 11.0 -> 11.3

 

Britain

Black Night 11.0 -> 11.3

 

France

Leclerc SXXI 11.0 -> 11.3

ItO 90M 11.0 -> 11.3

 

Sweden

Strv 122B PLSS 11.0 -> 11.3

ItO 90M 11.0 -> 11.3

Leopard 2a6 11.0 -> 11.3

 

Israel

Merkava Mk. 4M 11.0 -> 11.3

 

 

These moved alone will keep things tidy with the 12.0 Jets while also keeping this fair for the lower ranking tanks.

Edited January 19, 2023 by LaPlus_Darknesss
Added Finland Leo

[TwitchyNGL 595]

(All for Realistic battles)

Good to see you finally uprating the M10 GMCs rate of fire, I asked for this ages ago as the fire rate was behind that of other 3 Inch M7 vehicles despite the handy open top design with ammo right there behind the breech for the loader.

But can you carry this over to the Achilles, could you increase the Achilles fire rate. As presently it has the exact same issue, it's an open top M10, armed with a 17pr, with ammo right next to the breech but it has a slower reload than any of the other 17pr armed tanks in the game. 

 

WMA301: Move to 8.7 or 9.0. You've moved Rooikat 105 to 9.0. Why is the WMA301 still 8.3? It's a very similar situation, it has thermals (later generation ones too), good zoom, decent dart, and a GLATGM and a reasonably quick wheeled body. Move WMA301 to 8.7 minimum. Also shouldn't it's GLATGM have a slower reload in game considering it's length, like how M551 does?

 

Khalid and L23: It's good you're trying to make Khalid better as it looked like a terrible vehicle beforehand but as talked about on the forums a fair bit, L23 is still not actually a real round, L23A1 is the proper round and L23 is just a shorthand name for it, there's no reason why in game we have L23 and L23A1 as different rounds with completely different generations (which hugely affect slope modifier). So could you just get rid of L23 from the game and replace instances of it with proper L23A1. 
IF you are concerned about L23A1 being too good, consider that more meta vehicles at 9.0 like the Rooikat 105 and Leo 1A5, already have DM33 which outperform L23A1. 
[Relevant Report Below:]

 

Tornado: Keep at 11.3, or lower it to 11.0. Why would Tornado GR1 and other IDS versions be moving up in BR? I've been playing the thing a while and I cannot see myself or any players doing well in it, I was expecting it to be going down to 10.7 or at the very least 11.0, not moving up to 11.7?
It's less fast, much less manoeuvrable and less well armed than even stuff at 10.7, and I know it's in a sense, a bomber, but it doesn't even start with bombs and getting to a base is very dangerous. I've been completely unable to dodge Fox 1s or Fox 3s because the strategy of turning violently when it's near doesn't work as it physically can't turn that well. 

 

Harrier GR7: Stay at 11.3. It's good but it's not really out playing people with PD SARHs.

 

F-14A: Move to 12.0. This plane feels like it's harder to outfight than F-16s and Mig 29s yet this is staying below those two in BR on this chart?

 

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by TwitchyNGL
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