Panavia Tornado IDS. Is Dead.

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

 

the Tornado IDs. and the only plane. level 8. which has no radar, no weaponry and no maneuverability. and then it breaks with any curve above mac 1. like a plane. Exactly nerfed. with less technology than a bicycle. will face the F-4 S with 6 radar missiles. and 4 infrared?
Germany has no other aircraft with radar-guided missiles. plus mig23. (war thunder) is the only game. where a modern plane. the newest. and it is still widely used and modernized. it is inferior. and loses in all respects to the much older and retired combat aircraft

[Batwingsix 721]

It is a Strike aircraft.... If you are trying to take the IDS in and play F-16 with it, you are doing it wrong... very wrong. That is like trying to take a B-26 and dogfight 109's with it. Its missiles are defensive, not offensive

 

People need to stop basing aircraft on their dogfight capabilities, and instead understand that aircraft are designed for certain roles on the battlefield.

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

you did not understand. there is no way to play with Tornado IDS. against F4S. F8 etc. because all enemies have radar guided missiles. less you. and it is not a question of the classification of the plane. the tornado is a naval plane. fine function.

what is the feeling for example his radar having a range of 40km on the ground. if he doesn't take missiles or dropped bombs. to use with the radar

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

Tornado has neither offensive nor defensive missiles...just a plane from the 1980s/1990s that has no weapons

[Batwingsix 721]

9 minutes ago, R3V0LT1S-two@psn said:

Tornado has neither offensive nor defensive missiles...just a plane from the 1980s/1990s that has no weapons

 

IDS has guns (weapons) and Aim 9L's (Weapons again)... so that clears up that falsity. If you are not doing well with it, perhaps try a different tactic. Maybe not rush to be first to somewhere, or wait too long to get there.

 

It being a naval plane has nothing to do with it... it is a Strike Aircraft... which means its entire role is attacking ground targets. You have guns and 9L's in the event you need to try to defend yourself. Radar missiles? Notch them... IR missiles, if you have the pods unlocked flare them. Radar missiles again? Go flare chaff mix. Its radar is used to track ships, it isnt a ground radar for tracking ground based vehicles. Go in low, fast, and in a path that will make you hard to detect, strike your target and try to exfil. You wont have some magical "I will always get there" recipe, and if you are flying into the enemy to fight then again, you are doing it wrong. I am not sure how else to explain it.

[PROx 576]

Yeah I felt the same way at the beginning but then i had to change tactics. The IDS is not a "rush to the combat zone" type of aircraft. You have to fly off away from combat then turn in about mid way through the match. Even then its 50/50 you get on target depending on the teams. DO NOT RUSH IN...

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

so please show me. Make a video teaching me how to play. because I've been playing since the beginning of 2013 and it's simple and almost impossible to escape from radar guided missiles. both in simulation and in reality. So if what I'm saying isn't true. please show us how to win a match with only 2x aim9 L. using tornado against 12.0 we will be waiting

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

A naval plane made to escape combat? you are paying attention to what you are saying. Why would anyone design an airplane? run away from combat? so only american planes are good. the Germans can throw it in the trash. ? The tornado has electronic countermeasures. and mechanisms that allow combat in enemy territory. even under the presence of enemy radar... that's what gaijim has put into the game. it can be everything. least one Tornado. if you follow your logic of running away from combat. it would be better then to remove the German nation from the game. and let f16 against f16.

[Batwingsix 721]

Yet again you are conflating the aircraft having 2 defensive missiles as a dogfighting aircraft. I will say it one last time. IDS is a STRIKE airplane. Strike aircraft are not dogfighters, they are aircraft designed to enter an enemy airspace, put warheads on the foreheads of ground targets, then get out of town. The Defensive missiles are in the event you end up being engaged by an enemy as a last resort to defend yourself. It has nothing to do with being a naval aircraft, it actually isnt even naval if I recall correctly, it is just used by the German navy for anti ship warfare (hence it has Anti ship missiles and not other guided munitions). Cite me a time when a bomber went into combat and actively tried to dogfight... I will wait. Again, aircraft types have their roles on the battlefield. Fighter aircraft are designed to engage with and destroy other aircraft. Strike aircraft are designed to go into a combat zone and place ordinance on ground targets. Bombers are designed to go into a combat zone and put a lot of ordinance on ground targets. This isnt Fighter thunder much to your dismay. Not every aircraft is a fighter. The Tornado IDS, you ready?... IS NOT A FIGHTER. 

 

Where did I say throw german vehicles in the trash? You are playing an aircraft that is designed to strike ground targets and get out as a fighter.... then complaining that an aircraft which isn't a fighter, isn't a fighter. You cant even get the BR right as it cant see 12.0 unless you fail division yourself. Stop putting words into my mouth, stop being hostile when you are being told your beloved IDS is a strike aircraft not a fighter... not even a strike fighter, and stop trying to use the IDS as a fighter if you want to do well in it.

 

Now, How to escape... there are many ways of doing this. Terrain is your friend, radar wont see you if you are behind the ground will it? Is that viable on all maps? No, but on some maps... yes. Countermeasures... Chaff is a thing believe it or not. You have to maneuver and use it to increase the chance of it working. Notching the radar works really well as well (even more so when low altitude as trying to switch out of any Doppler radar will cause it to ground clutter so bad it cant lock). Instead of "This plane sucks", try "How do I use the aircraft for its intended purpose and what am I doing wrong *Cough cough trying to use it as a fighter *cough cough* and how can I change my tactics to perform better. Again, stop being daft, stop taking the truth of the matter as an insult to you and Germany.

 

 

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

I didn't mean to be hostile with you. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression... I'm saying the tornado IDS (surface attack version) taking the missiles off the ship. and bombs do not have enough weapons to defend. much less against measures. the shafs don't work and the plane breaks down in medium turns... i'm trying to explain that. the Germany. it only has the mig-23 and only recently the mig-29 other than that there is nothing in the german line. that can stand up to the F4s. F14. mirage. j37 etc... Germany is abandoned when it comes to aviation. you have ground vehicles 9.0 10.0 and 11.0 but you don't have equivalent planes to use... when I refer to Tornado IDS. I also refer to his armament. because it only has bombs currently. and with the new Russian aerial ant. German planes run out of options. until I manage to catch the tornado assta

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2021/05/saab-to-upgrade-german-tornados-radar.html

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

34 minutes ago, Batwingsix said:

Yet again you are conflating the aircraft having 2 defensive missiles as a dogfighting aircraft. I will say it one last time. IDS is a STRIKE airplane. Strike aircraft are not dogfighters, they are aircraft designed to enter an enemy airspace, put warheads on the foreheads of ground targets, then get out of town. The Defensive missiles are in the event you end up being engaged by an enemy as a last resort to defend yourself. It has nothing to do with being a naval aircraft, it actually isnt even naval if I recall correctly, it is just used by the German navy for anti ship warfare (hence it has Anti ship missiles and not other guided munitions). Cite me a time when a bomber went into combat and actively tried to dogfight... I will wait. Again, aircraft types have their roles on the battlefield. Fighter aircraft are designed to engage with and destroy other aircraft. Strike aircraft are designed to go into a combat zone and place ordinance on ground targets. Bombers are designed to go into a combat zone and put a lot of ordinance on ground targets. This isnt Fighter thunder much to your dismay. Not every aircraft is a fighter. The Tornado IDS, you ready?... IS NOT A FIGHTER. 

 

Where did I say throw german vehicles in the trash? You are playing an aircraft that is designed to strike ground targets and get out as a fighter.... then complaining that an aircraft which isn't a fighter, isn't a fighter. You cant even get the BR right as it cant see 12.0 unless you fail division yourself. Stop putting words into my mouth, stop being hostile when you are being told your beloved IDS is a strike aircraft not a fighter... not even a strike fighter, and stop trying to use the IDS as a fighter if you want to do well in it.

 

Now, How to escape... there are many ways of doing this. Terrain is your friend, radar wont see you if you are behind the ground will it? Is that viable on all maps? No, but on some maps... yes. Countermeasures... Chaff is a thing believe it or not. You have to maneuver and use it to increase the chance of it working. Notching the radar works really well as well (even more so when low altitude as trying to switch out of any Doppler radar will cause it to ground clutter so bad it cant lock). Instead of "This plane sucks", try "How do I use the aircraft for its intended purpose and what am I doing wrong *Cough cough trying to use it as a fighter *cough cough* and how can I change my tactics to perform better. Again, stop being daft, stop taking the truth of the matter as an insult to you and Germany.

 

 

 

I know the German IDS. a relative of mine died in control of one of them. and he was not and still is not that obsolete and poorly armed equipment represented in the game. and yes. i really love this aircraft. I'm sorry if I offended you at some point. it was not my intention

[olsca 11]

8 hours ago, R3V0LT1S-two@psn said:

I didn't mean to be hostile with you. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression... I'm saying the tornado IDS (surface attack version) taking the missiles off the ship. and bombs do not have enough weapons to defend. much less against measures. the shafs don't work and the plane breaks down in medium turns... i'm trying to explain that. the Germany. it only has the mig-23 and only recently the mig-29 other than that there is nothing in the german line. that can stand up to the F4s. F14. mirage. j37 etc... Germany is abandoned when it comes to aviation. you have ground vehicles 9.0 10.0 and 11.0 but you don't have equivalent planes to use... when I refer to Tornado IDS. I also refer to his armament. because it only has bombs currently. and with the new Russian aerial ant. German planes run out of options. until I manage to catch the tornado assta

“Other than the mig 29” yeah only the best aircraft in the game Germany sure does have nothing huh

[R3V0LT1S-two@psn 4]

On 10/03/2023 at 07:18, olsca said:

“Além do mig 29” sim, apenas a melhor aeronave do jogo, a Alemanha com certeza não tem nada, hein

98% of the German fighter aviation line does not have radar missiles. with the exception of mig23 and mig29. recently implemented.... and is that good for you? where from 10.0 to 11.3 you face aircraft with radar missiles. But you do not have. only on 12.0 with the last aircraft in the line. you will receive only 2 relatively good missiles and will match the rest... but while you do not have the aircraft (mig29) you will lose to F4s F14 F16 mirages... and for you the sequence of obvious defeats is fair?