Planned Battle Rating changes

[Stona_WT 72,761]

Dear players! We appreciate your feedback and suggestions. In the recent BR update we continued to introduce our approach to gradually increase the Battle Ratings of the top- and pre-top vehicles. This approach allows us to identify solid leaders and outsiders by combat efficiency and make corresponding adjustments to the planned BR updates. This time we are updating the BR 9.7+ vehicles (including a few 9.3 vehicles) in order to reconsider BR 9.3-9.7 vehicles and below. Thanks to your feedback, we’ve also noticed a few rank III vehicles (such as Comet and T-34-85), which also had their BR updated. 

 

As for the Harrier GR.1 (1) efficiency, it could have a higher rating, but due to the massive feedback we decided to reduce its BR to 9.7 both in RB and SB. We will closely monitor its efficiency after this update. We have also noticed your suggestions concerning the G.91Y (1,2). At the moment we are working on the new weapon menu, including new air-to-surface munitions for this aircraft. This requires specific model updates, and new weapons to be introduced to the game in one of the upcoming updates. Also, the previously announced BR updates for Fw 190 D-12 and Ta 152 C-3 (1, 2, 3, 4) in RB mode will also not be introduced yet: although these aircraft remain BR rise candidates, we decided to wait and monitor their efficiency a little more.

 

Some aircraft receive their BR updates in accordance with their modifications: The American F-8E (USA) gets BR 10.0 in SB, same as the French F-8E(FN); Chinese F-5A gets its BR 10.7 in RB, same as the F-5E. After the F4U-1A (USA), the British Corsair F Mk II and Japanese F4U-1A will have their BR lowered to 3.3 in SB. Although we agree with your suggestions to lower the BR of the AH-6M, but only in the AB. Further changes of ground vehicles and helicopters will take us further research.

 

We were pleased to hear your positive feedback on the top-tier Enduring Confrontation mode. Other BR changes in the SB mode will also support the variability for all rotations regardless of the week. Unfortunately, some of your suggestions did not take into account the possible encounters for the minimum BR value. However, after analysing the feedback and statistics, we decided to increase Ariete's BR to 9.0. At the same time, we do not plan to lower the BR of the C.202 EC in the upcoming rating updates, which might not correspond to SB matches at 2.3-3.7. 

 

[9] Enduring Confrontation changes will be implemented later.

[Grey Kaidot_Ahead Four 8]

418/2000

1.  The JA37D should be adjusted from 11.7 to 11.3 because it has less engine power and weapon configuration than other 11.7 aircraft. Its top speed is not fast enough to get it off the battlefield, and its air-to-air weapons have only four infrared missiles and two short-range radar missiles.

 

2.  The tornado of the German attack on the sea should remain at 10.7, as its radar is almost useless in combat, and it has only two missiles as a defensive weapon.

 

3.  China's Z19 and Z19e will be adjusted to 11.0, so AKD10 should be issued as the new ground attack ammunition. They are currently equipped with AKD9 range and ground performance is just enough to meet the needs, if the AKD9 is still used in 11.0, it will be difficult to use. If they are not going to be given AK D10, it is best to keep them at 10.7.

 

The  4.  The F5A in the Chinese Air Force's technology tree should also be adjusted to 10.7 because its air-to-air weapons configuration is identical to the F5E, but its engine power is weaker.

 

These are my suggestions, welcome everybody friendly expression your opinion.

[Adamok2 756]

7 hours ago, Ghostmaxi said:

That is the standart in game breach model, it would have looked more like the 75 mm of the Schmalturm with the recoil cylinders under the gun, the gun did exist.

Yak-141 also never existed with any loadout, there was only 2 barely flying  prototypes without any armament - 1 crashed during VTOL landing on the aircraft carrier, the 2'nd is in the museum.

So if Yak-141 has been added recently with electronics and weapons which it never had irl, but it has on paper so we can have tiger 2 105 as well, bc it has 105mm gun on paper. 

[Grey Kaidot_Ahead Four 8]

9 hours ago, planeguy121 said:

All in all, not entirely stoked about the Air RB changes. can't really speak on ground RB since I don't think I'm anywhere near good enough to properly gauge performance.

 

What I like:

Mirage 2000C-S5 11.3 → 11.7

Pretty self-explanatory, this gets good missiles, good flight performance, lead computing gunsight... shouldn't be seeing 10.3s at all. The performance gulf to the 12.0s is fairly large, but that's just the way it is until the F-16s and MiG-29s go up to 12.3+.

 

All of the Su-22s going down in BR

It's about time, they really had little utility at 11.0.

 

Mirage 5F/Nesher 10.3 → 10.0

No countermeasures do be that way, they were pretty outclassed at 10.3, but this change is fairly minor. That being said, lacking countermeasures will still mean these jets aren't particularly playable anyway.

 

Su-25/25K 9.7 → 10.0

All aspect ground attackers, I hate 'em. 10.0 is decent for these, since their PGM selection is pretty awful, and R-60M is worse than AIM-9L.

 

What I don't:

Tornado IDS MFG 10.7 → 11.0

It lacks PGMs so has limited use in GRB, and at 11.0, every Tornado attacker is a sitting duck for any other fighter at its BR. Even at 10.7, the IDS was just cannon fodder, only good for popping unaware people with 9Ls. It can get outrun on the deck by most things, too. It should stay at 10.7, or  11.0 jets should be unable to see 12.0 in the MM.

 

F-5E 11.0 → 10.7

While I think it's great that the F-5Es shouldn't be able to fight F-16s and MiG-29s anymore, this isn't the way to do it. The F-5 series and their... interesting flight model are going to seal club the 10.7-9.7 BR bracket. This should stay at 11.0, and  11.0 jets should be unable to see 12.0 in the MM . 10.3-11.3 MM will be fair for the F-5E given the proliferation of BVR jets, but it should not be able to see 9.7 or 10.0.

 

Yak-38M 9.7 → 9.3

4x R-60s should not be at 9.3, end of story. It should stay at 9.7.

 

What I'd like to see:

Yak-38 9.3 → 9.7

4x R-60s should not be at 9.3, end of story.

 

MiG-21SMT 10.3 → 10.7

Currently the SMT is the best 10.3 jet by a huge margin, combining solid missiles with incredible flight performance, only truly matchable by the F-4F, the F-5C, and the Kfir Canard/C.2.

 

MiG-21MF 10.3 → 10.7

The MF is pretty close to the SMT, and IMHO the slight loss in engine performance doesn't justify a lower BR. But this could go either way.

 

J-7D 11.0 → 10.7

This is basically a MF with Magic 1s or PL-5Bs. Really not viable at 11.0 in the slightest, even compared to the J-7E.

 

F-4EJ/EJ ADTW 11.0 → 10.7

No Agile Eagle slats, no dogfight Sparrows, these should be one tick below the Israeli and American F-4Es with those weapons.

 

F-14A (Early) 11.7 → 12.0

There, I said it. The F-14A is on par with the other top tier jets. Not in terms of flight performance, but in terms of missile payload and radar. Sure, it can't hang with a MiG-29 or F-16 in a turnfight, but nothing can. Its missiles and BVR abilities and having the only Fox 3 missile in-game are enough to warrant a full top tier billet. If necessary, give it 9Ls and call it a day.

 

Kfir C.7 11.3 → 11.0

Honestly, this could go to 10.7 IMHO, 2x more AIM-9Gs and more engine performance doesn't put it that far past the Canard and C.2, IMHO. It's a WVR dogfighter with no lead computing gunsight, no all-aspects, and easily snapping wings at 11.3.

 

Mirage F1C/F1C-200 11.3 → 11.0 or lower

The F1C gets 2x Magic 2s, but the rest of the missiles in its inventory are 10.7 tier or lower. Super 530Fs lack a seeker to discriminate from chaff, the 530s and 530Es are a 10.0 missile on an 11.3 jet, and the F1C doesn't have the speed to base bomb either. Potentially consider converting one or the other into a F1C (Early) even, getting rid of the 530Fs and Magic 2s, and putting it at 10.7 or what have you.

 

I agree. But I think the J-7E should also be adjusted to 10.7, because it and the J-7D's main anti-air weapons are four PL5B. The difference between the two is only in close combat performance, and I think in their combat environment, a little difference in airframe performance is secondary.

[tronexer 9]

From my own personal data, could we get the both Lighting(F.53, F.6) jets moved to 9.0 in realistic? I've kept tabs on my deaths with them and the majority are from planes carrying R60 missiles. Moving those planes down would lessen this and keep the skill ceiling for more difficult encounters on a full up tier battle.

[Kei_Nagase 161]

The tornado IDS marineflieger should stay at 10.7 in RB. It lacks guided munitions for ground RB and has terrible maneuverability + only 2x aim9Ls as an aa offensive loadout for air RB. 

 

The G91YS should go from 9.7 to 9.3 or 9.0 in RB. It has only 2x aim9Bs and no countermeasures, while facing a lot of A10s and Su25s. It has worse flight performance than the Shenyang F-5  for example. Both has the same aa loadout, while the F-5 sits at 9.3. Italy is already one of the less played TT. They deserve some fair balance and love.

 

The Mi35 should stay at 10.3, it has no Missile warning systems nor competitive range ATGM with top BR spaas.

[M_GUN 4]

thx for your hard work but plz can you fix the harrier gr1 she doesn't have flare and no long range AAM like AV-8 and in 10.0 its not work and fix Hms Belfast need a new round to work in 5.7 or lower the BR for it with 150mm vs 6.7 or 6.0 it can do any think at all 

[杂鱼 一群杂鱼捏 71]

16 hours ago, Russian_____Bias said:

T-34-85 D-5T  5.0→5.3 No significant difference between the 5.7 one, while thinner turret armor with broken damage model still eats ammo up to Pak-43 shells

Why not change the 5.7 to 5.3?

[LaevateinARX-8 108]

Kfir C7: 11.3>11.0 or give it AIM-9L

Kfir C7 is the only one fighter without missile that has head-on attack capability in BR 11.3. AIM-9G cannot fit in this BR as a main armament. The only advantage is its good engine. But the other fighter's engine is also good and all know that you cannot invade missile and enemy by only using this engine. 36 decoys will run out really quickly and its energy will also lose quickly during maneuvering That makes its survivability in a really bad condition. 

Giving kfir c7 AIM-9L is also a good choice. I don't know why Gaijin still no plan to give it Python 3 AAM, and Gaijin has nerfed AIM-9L's anti-flare capability that AIM-9L has no longer as strong as before. ISR Air force is Navy Sidewinder user so its pylon can carry AIM-9L. I think it's time to give kfir c7 AIM-9L if gaijin don't want to lower its BR. 

 

 

[Teh0 294]

Time to repeat my earlier proposals once again:
 

Ki-44-II Hei (RB) 3.7 -> 4.0
Very good climb, good speed, good turn, can dive fast and comes with powerful guns. Shamefully handheld plane to fly.

Ki-44-II Hei China (RB) 3.7 -> 4.0
This is the exact same aircraft as the one above.

J2M2 (RB) 4.3 -> 4.7 or 5.0 and rank II -> rank III or rank IV
Why doesn't this extremely overpowering plane ever move in up in BR? It has marginally better flight qualities than J2M3, which is at 5.7. The guns are certainly not that much worse. Even with the current BR it shouldn't be standing at rank II, but rank III or IV. In arcade battles it is now 4.7, but isn't lacking at all in that either.
 
Ki-100-II (RB) 3.7 -> 4.0 and rank II -> rank III or rank IV

It's not that obviously overperforming as J2M2, but no doubt it is superior to it's Ki-61 cousins at 4.7 and shares abnormally low rank for it's BR. In arcade it's also 4.7. Maybe someone would bother to buy it if you could do tasts and stuff with it.

Ki-100-I (RB) 4.0 rank II -> rank III or rank IV
Performs marginally better than Ki-100-II and shares abnormally low rank for it's BR. This plane was build form Ki-61-II Kai, not from Ki-61-I Otsu, so even in that view it's at the wrong spot in tech tree.

Ki-61-I Hei (both) 4.7 -> 4.3 or 4.0 and rank III -> rank II
After the changes to the guns, this variant lost it's only advantage over the other Ki-61 variants. In almost every situation Ki-61-I Otsu can manage to do the same as this variant, while being at 3.7. After all the only difference between these two are the wing guns, which add meager 36kg of weight. It should be placed in the folder with Ki-61-I Otsu, where incorrectory placed Ki-100 is standing right now.

Ki-61-I Tei 4.3 -> 4.0
Abosolutely horrific power to weight ratio. Even with interceptor spawn this thing loses to Ki-100 in everyway possible.

These two lists show quite clearly why J2M2 and Ki-100 should be higher rank. H8K2 as rank I is another strange phenomenon. What is the reason of keeping these few planes so far off from the rank one would expect them to be at? This is about Realistic.

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This list is about Arcade. As you can see, majority of rank III planes are below J2M2 BR.

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[Firestarter__ 106]

14 hours ago, VonarianTheGreat said:

Sea Vixen F.A.W. Mk.2

Feedback ==> Should go to 9.0

Description ==> This is a jack of all trades vehicle that shines in any role. Powerful engines combined with tough airframe and easy controllability are paired with advanced weapon systems. Good radar with BVR lock, coverage and IFF, RWR, 4 x Redtop missiles, ability to carry bullpops and other ground-pounding armament is not an 8.7 material.

 

I must admit I don't agree with that suggestion. Red Tops perform extremely poorly at the moment, having less effective range than AIM-9Bs.

 

Granted the 2 Bullpups can be quite dangerous for tanks, but you have to give up 2 air to air missiles for that.

[StiXWasHere 49]

Ariete tanks (all variants apart from ariete (p)) should maintain their current battleratings. They are already overtiered. 

OTOMATIC should move down to 10.7 or 10.3. It simply cannot fight aircraft at top tier.

2S38 should move up to 10.3 or 10.7

BMP-2M should move to 9.7 or 10.0

2S6 should keep its current br of 11.0

Edited April 6, 2023 by StiXWasHere

[Squander92 48]

Another nerf for rank VII italy? how about i'm not impressed anymore?
last time you justified the BR increase to 11.0 with a better APFSDS round coming, being the DM53. Well, as you can see, it didn't improve anything, just some more penetration on the description tab. Now you are here again proposing them to be even higher to match all the other nations top tier meta and give some more food to the suffering russian mains, and this time there is nothing in exchange, how bad is this behaviour?.
Dear Gaijin devs, PLAY YOUR OWN GAME!
all of the 120 mm italian tanks are on a lower level compared to the whole top tier ground section of the game (with a few minor exceptions).
OTOMATIC at 11.3 while tunguska goes at 10.7 is just ridicolous, only shows up your indifference for the playerbase because the performance difference here is under everyone's eyes. 
even the stupidly low 2S38 can perform better than this "top tier" anti-air, and it keeps getting A WHOLE BR lower.
but the trend is not only related to top tier, not really
you can see stupid discrepancies on the whole italian TT
The closest example is the VCC family, with the VCC 80/60 sitting at a 9.0 with less than 300mm pen, Dardo at the same level as the untouchable BMP-2M and the VCC 80/30 0.3 higher than any M3A3 Bradley while being possibly worse than that.
SIDAM 25 is just a laugh machine at this point, sleeping at 8.3 (but you can't use it till you put it in a more reasonable 8.7 line up) while being a way worse version of the M163. I would really love to see what kind of overperformance are you looking at to not give it a proper 7.7 BR. is it doing better than any ZSU37-2? is it better than any Gepard-look-a-like 35 mm AA? is it really comparable to the 8.3 ZA35 / swedish Gepard (with leo 2 engine...) ? I don't think so. GET REAL GAIJIN !

Breda 501 at 4.7 is really bad but kinda of an expected move since "drone age" update where you gave it low skirts (all to justify this nerf because you couldn't really do that as it was before). nice move, you nailed this gaijin !
 

[Thodin 6,784]

The 2S6 should stay at 11.0. Compared to other SPAAs around 10.3 its far too strong. At 10.7, considering the new BRs of most helis etc., it would be far too op.

[杂鱼 一群杂鱼捏 71]

Naval RB suggestions :

SMS Bayern    Scharnhorst     IJN Hyuga    IJN Kongo     IJN Haruna  change down to 6.7

IJN Tone    IJN Suzuya    IJN Mogami    IJN Mikuma    change down to 5.7. Since IJN Myoko is 5.7 with similar weapons and armor, there is no reason to let these ships stay at 6.0

HMS Kent change down to 5.7. He have no difference between other 5.7 HMS ships, even poorer.

HMS Liverpool    IJN Aoba    IJN Furutaka    IJN Ikoma    Krasny Krym  down to 5.3

Edited April 6, 2023 by ___Fatum___

[weiba 3]

All below RB:

A-6E Tram 10.0 ->10.3

Taking into consideration, that Su-25 will be 10.0, and A-6E is basically not worse / better in all regards, especially in AA missiles, it should definitely be higher. An imbalanced thing, which is faster than A-10A Late, and may have the same AA missile armament, while lower BR.

 

A-4E Early 8.7 -> 9.0

Why for F-4F Early / F-4F having or not having flares is a big deal (BR 10.3 / 10.7), while for A-4B and A-4E Early (both 8.7) isn't? A-4B has worse armament and no other advantages. Flares not only affect the air battles, but also the mixed ones, making A-4E an ultimate solution for any ground targets, including AA. How come that they both are at 8.7 is a real mystery.

 

F-105D 10.0 -> 9.7

Just like F-4C Phantom II, but:

- no long-range AA radar missiles

- lower maximum bombload, and, unlike F-4C, in this config it has no AA missiles at all

- only 1 engine, slow acceleration with payload, always lose the rush for bases.

- much more sluggish

How come does they have a similar BR?

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by weiba

[KillcodeMonster-@psn 12]

After think a bit more about some possible br changes, I have two more changes to add.

 

Realistic Battles:

 

F-104J and F-104G (China)

10.7 —> 10.3 

Considering that the F-104G for Italy and Germany have countermeasures and Aim-9Js, I believe that the Japanes F-104 and Taiwanese F-104G should go to 10.3 because they don’t have countermeasures.

[Hetaeron 287]

Feedback Ship:

For Russia:

SKR-7: from BR 4.3 => must be moved to BR 4.7

 

For Italy:

Sparviero:  from BR 3.7 => must be moved to BR 3.3

 

RB Feedback:

 

For Russia:

• BMP-2M: from BR 9.3 => must be moved to BR 10.0
• 2S38: from BR 9.3 => must be moved to BR 10.7
• 2S6: You have to leave it at BR 11,0. It is a beast as  a vehicle it does not deserve a lowering of BR.
• Pantsir-S1: from BR 11.3 => must be moved to BR 12.0

 

For Italy:

• C1 Ariete PSO:  from BR 11.0 => must be moved to BR 10.7 (These vehicles don't have armour to protect them or the right momility and speed to stand at such a high BR.)
• C1 Ariete PSO:  from BR 11.0 => must be moved to BR 10.7 (These vehicles don't have armour to protect them or the right momility and speed to stand at such a high BR.)
• Ariete AMV P1:  from BR 11.3 => must be moved to BR 11.0 (These vehicles don't have armour to protect them or the right momility and speed to stand at such a high BR.)
• AS 42 47/42: from BR 2.0 => must be moved to BR 1.7 (Only 3 people in the crew and machine guns tear them apart, lower his BR)

• Celere Sahariano: Eliminate the unfair nerf to the Celere Sahariano. Some time ago the community had already ascertained that the Italian 47mm cannon had a real reload of 3 seconds. To increase it to 5.2 is simply stupid for a premium tan, and is also anti-historical.

• Breda 501:  from BR 4.3 => must be moved to BR 4.0.  If you want to increase the BR of the Breda 501 to BR 4.3, you must also give it the crew missing this vehicle to 8 crew members and not 5 as it is currently in the game.  Moving it to BR 4.7 is stupid and will be devastated by aircraft machine guns.

• R3 T106 FA: It is a vehicle that has been nerfed too much than necessary, its actual rating should be BR 7.3 or 7.0. Typical example of how listening to haters has ruined the game.

Advantages:

-Fast

-High firepower due to the fact that it can fire 2 rounds and has 106mm cannons

 

Disadvantages:

-On muddy ground or in snow, it cannot go fast.

-Vulnerable to machine guns from both tanks and planes.

-Cannot defend itself against aircraft.

-Very little armour. (Once spotted your chances of survival drop to 0)

-Very little ammunition only 10 rounds (forces you to go to areas to resupply all the time, this can make you spotted by enemies who easily destroy you).

-Very bad cannon elevation and lowering.

-High cannon reload time (13 seconds).

 

• SIDAM 25 (Mistral): from BR 10.0 => must be moved to BR 9.7 or 9,3

• OTOMATIC:  from BR 11.0 => must be moved to BR 10.3  (To avoid adding SPAA to Italy the developers have increased the BR of OTOMATIC, which apparently according to the developers is stronger than Tunguska, another ridiculous idea out of their ****. OTOMATIC's BR should stay at 10.3 and not go higher until you fix these problems this vehicle currently has: OTOMATIC is incorrectly modelled in the game and requires a complete reworking of its amorack system, as it has a double Loader.) So they should fix the double amorack loader + the IRST block correction.

• Centauro I 120: leave it at BR 11.0 to take it higher would be unfair, instead of raising its BR Centauro I 120, add this vehicle:

 

General notes on changes on all other vehicles:

Also nice to see the M4A3 105 go up.

Everything else I have not mentioned about the changes for ground vehicles is correct.

Edited April 6, 2023 by Hetaeron

[Pexitron 217]

Why AGAIN its only in Air Simulator Gaijin work for make it better and not the Ground totally unplayable system with his stupid brackets+Battles Ratings and choices of vehicules??? 2 Brackets are simply not played by Soviet and the last is ruined by Pantsir + the Fact there is eneugh anti air protection because of Kamovs, TY90 missiles, 2S6, Mil Mi28 +Planes Mig29/27 etc...

 

How many years again i must wait for play in a matchmaking with eneugh people and not all versus soviet/China who are so stupid and unrealistic and with bad BR choice? How i can play my 9.7/10.0/10.3 or even 11.0! 

 

  - So in this topic i read many players who cry for the German Puma who go from 9.3 to 9.7....(pffff) Go look around you in place your nombril! Why Germany must continue be so favorised by gaijin when STRV 9040 or LVKV are 10.0 and without your super protection and must relaod each ammo one by one?! Why PVO was 9.7 or VCC80/60 are 9.0 with same round as HSTVL but with so less noise engine, who are 11.0 and now 11.3 and with only 26 rounds!!! Ohhh bordel de....grrrr Ca m'énerve.

Why BMP1 with heat Grenade + ATGm and ultra low profile are 7.3 or Marder too when for exemple USA have is equal vehicule but worst at 8.0 and with 20 sec relaod and no super low profile and can't shoot while hidden?

 

- Can we speak about the absurd cheated unrealistic ERA brick of Soviet in the game? Why only this nation have this level of protection who give them a second life like in arcade game for have the time to screw you and make your surprise initiative in your **** and sure, one shot you with her super head-seeker shrapnel apfs-ds round who are so magic for go pile in all crew members! Are other nation too stupid for create correct ERA? Is only soviet have weekness on his side and have an excuse for have this OP advantage? Leclerc is supposed and like IRL are the best MBT actually and younger in service maybe Merkava but too heavy. Abrams and Leopard are 20 years older, Challenger less effective. So where are the super mobility of Lerclerc especially from starting to cruise speed and manoeuvres, in game its so inferior. And where is his armor ? why nothing is modelised in the hull? Why he is so weak where any tank can pen you from anywhere a pen the entire tank?? Where is our 700mm + APFSDS? And why with all of this it is at 11.3 even the first model ??!!

 

  - ANd finally, why Harrier Gr7 are 11.7?? because 4 aim9L in a subsonic plane? Huhumm Intruder at 10.0 or Warthog tree at 10.3 or PhantomE at 11.0 withBVR and better CAS option!

 

 

[Rocknpool 3]

5 hours ago, Adamok2 said:

Yak-141 also never existed with any loadout, there was only 2 barely flying  prototypes without any armament - 1 crashed during VTOL landing on the aircraft carrier, the 2'nd is in the museum.

So if Yak-141 has been added recently with electronics and weapons which it never had irl, but it has on paper so we can have tiger 2 105 as well, bc it has 105mm gun on paper. 

If i remember correctly, the 105mm would literally not fit in the tiger 2 turret in real life, to the point where the in game model has clipping

[LeonDasPro@live 31]

Naval... 

 

HMS Terra Nova...3.7>4.0...No. Pretty much all Frigates fair badly when facing anything but early DDs.its hard to justify any of them at 4+ when they rely solely on rate of fire whilst having fewer guns and less armour. 

 

Type K-3/1 & K-7/4...2.3>2.7...No. They are large targets for their BR, slower and less manoeuvrabile than the PT boats which out gun them, and are poorly armoured compared to the USSR tubs. Putting them up in only makes them face things like the German Barges and early destroyers that will take them out at longer ranges. 

 

Ha-Go (mod 1)...2.0>1.7...Yes. Over rated due to its 57mm gun, however anyone who has tried to aim this on anything but glass waters will tell you its impossible above 1km. So you're left with the 20mm and thin armour to fight with as your low speed won't help you. It's the same with the earlier Soutou-Tei pair, big spud guns are worthless if you can't aim them. In fact the entire Japanese and Italian Coastals need a major overhaul to be competitive. 

 

V-990...2.7>3.0...maybe. Fast, manoeuvrable with decent weapons but stick in a difficult place for a light speedboat. 

 

Air... 

 

Brigand B1...4.0>3.7...Yes. A pig out the box but works well when spaded, but few will ever get the chance as its got a poor roll rate and getting in/out of trouble can be an issue early in making it a pain to use and earn on. Lack of bombs at start doesn't help which means reliance on cannons which are good but this is a Bomber not a fighter so the lack of suspended stores is felt so much more. Would it kill to add some small 50lb practice bombs or similar to allow attackers to attack and bombers to bomb without flying them as badly suited fighter jocks first? 

 

Requests to be added... 

 

HMS Mohawk...4.7>4.3...should have gone down with the other British DDs. Has the extra turret compared to her cousins but at the expense of secondaries. Currently a dockyard queen as she is so outclassed compared to such thing as the US 5in DDs or even the HMS Armada/Tobruk/Diana trio. 

 

Albatros/Bussard...3.7>3.3...crippled by the disabling of the missiles and dumbing down of the torpedos vs real life. The only saving grace is decent guns but lacking SAP shells makes facing Bluewater and armoured boats a chore at best. Not super quick or manoeuvrable either which makes you a target. 

 

VS-10...3.0>2.7...on paper its great with the multiple 20mm turrets and decent speed. In reality you can bring few guns on target, they have short range,  overheat very fast, and don't have the punch to tackle any but the thinnest armour. You'll turn like a dead duck so once you hit the overheat limit you're stuck waiting whilst those US PTs pepper you. Torpedos are decent but angled wide and as mentioned turning to aim isn't this boats forte. 

 

...and probably more. 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by LeonDasPro@live
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[Beeschurger 39]

7 hours ago, Anonmoosekaab said:

Pe-8

4.3 -> 4.0

Too easily intercepted before it can drop it's FAB-5000 and that's just not fun

Dont agree. It should be easily intercepted by planes before it can drop its FAB-5000. That bomb can wipe entire parts of map and theres nothing ground units, AA included, can do about it. And its not like Pe-8 cant defend itself nor soak machinegun fire with its sheer size. 

 

7 hours ago, Anonmoosekaab said:

M4A3E2 76 W

6.3 -> 5.7

Right now it's at the same BR as the King Tiger (P).  That's ridiculous.  KT (P) is way, way better than Jumbo 76

Again, dont agree. It shouldnt be at 6.3, but neither it should be at 5.7 where it can face 4.7. Long barreled 76mm on Jumbo absolutely shreds with its combination of firepower, mobility, protection and short-stop stab. Frontally its immune to anything but 75mm L/70 (and even that can be defeated if angled), russian 122mm and long 88mm. Hell, at 5.7 I would take it over IS-1 or Tiger any day. 

 

7 hours ago, Anonmoosekaab said:

M4A3E2

5.3 -> 4.7

There is no way Jumbo is better than a Tiger or Panther

Regular Jumbo being at 5.3 is result of it being 4.7 before, and it was absolutel slaughter when downtiered. Same issue with 76mm jumbo - great moblity and armor with short stop stab. It would make churchill mk VII look obsolete by comparison. 

 

 

[LittleEliot 22]

I will write only about tanks especially after 8.0 where the situation feels odd in my eyes. Since you decided to decompress I think more changes are needed BUT these are (almost) perfect!

USA:
M60A3: it needs M833!
M1 Abrams: no reason to move at 10.3 without giving it M833 not to mention that it could use M900 since at this BR it has the worst armor and only counts on mobility/firepower/reload!
M3A3: it was mentioned on its devblog (back then) that it will use TOW-2A and it still hasnt got it!

Germany:
Leopard 2A4 (ALL variants): it certainly needs DM33 at 10.3! It will become a decent back-up on the already lacking top tier line up alongside the PL,A5,A6!

Russia:
2S6: there is not a single reason to decrease its BR, it should stay at 11.0!
BMP-3/BMD-4: both are excellent in terms of firepower,mobility with 2nd gen thermals, why not move them at 9.0-9.3 where all modern IFVs are?
Shturm-S: 8.3 -> 8.7
Khrizantema: 9.3 ->9.7 (maybe 10.0)
T-90A: 10.7->11.0

Great Britain:
Challenger Mk.2/DS: they urgently need L26 since they only count on their firepower!
Challenger 2/YT cup: they should stay at 11.0 since they are not on par with the other 11.3 competitors!

Japan:
Type 90/90B: they are just fine at 10.7!

China:
AFT09: it could be 9.0 or 9.3!

Italy:
Ariete AMV: It is on par with the earlier Ariete so it should stay at 11.3! (When AMV PT2 will arrive it could be a solid 11.7)
Sidam 25 Mistral: It is not good at 9.7 either, 9.3 will be fine!

 

[Cleen_Greeny 0]

Given that I used to grind SL with the 10.7 Tornado, I can safely say that it will not work at all at 11.0. You will get constant up tiers to 12.0, and that means you will be facing the F-16, MIG-29, F-14, and Yak-141 among others. Tornado is having enough issues as it is, it doesn't need the 11.0-12.0 matchmaker to make it unusable.

[WinstonWolfe 326]

GR.1 - 10->9.7 no flares, speed, range.

T34 747 - move from rank II to III - allow it to use in events etc.

 

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Leclerc, Leclerc S2, Leclerc SXXI added to the table.