Q-5L no flares at 9.7...

[terminator122mm 1]

Why does the Q-5L not carry flares at a BR in which missiles are the most common threat? IRL it has chaff/flares dispensers, you can even find it on wikipedia on this exact model.

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

3 hours ago, terminator122mm said:

Why does the Q-5L not carry flares at a BR in which missiles are the most common threat? IRL it has chaff/flares dispensers, you can even find it on wikipedia on this exact model.

"Mirage 3C no flares at 10.3 

Come on Gaijin do something,... please i'm whinning over it,..."

 

 

If you have full proof of the variant Q-5L using flares pods with Full designation of this one, then Create a Bug report in the appropriate section,... whinning or ranting is not a bug report ^^"

 

Gaijin can't use your post and say "hey, he's right you know"

 

Because it literally have no proof from reliable sources (wikipedia also is not a reliable source)

[NeOwOfetch@psn 31]

3 minutes ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

"Mirage 3C no flares at 10.3 

Come on Gaijin do something,... please i'm whinning over it,..."

 

 

If you have full proof of the variant Q-5L using flares pods with Full designation of this one, then Create a Bug report in the appropriate section,... whinning or ranting is not a bug report ^^"

 

Gaijin can't use your post and say "hey, he's right you know"

 

Because it literally have no proof from reliable sources (wikipedia also is not a reliable source)

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/580728-q-5l-missing-countermeasures-visual-model-inaccuracies/

 

it´s already here, and what does the Mirage 3C have to do with it? the 3C never equipped any countermeasures system and RWR irl, which is absurdly different from the Q5L 

Edited May 12, 2023 by FluffyBoiOwO@psn

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

1 minute ago, FluffyBoiOwO@psn said:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/580728-q-5l-missing-countermeasures-visual-model-inaccuracies/

 

it´s already here

didn't knew that, i had not checked it.

but that's great then.

[Morvran_ 661]

5 hours ago, terminator122mm said:

Why does the Q-5L not carry flares at a BR in which missiles are the most common threat? IRL it has chaff/flares dispensers, you can even find it on wikipedia on this exact model.

Almost no british jet at that BR has CMs, and many have a fraction of the speed. So could be worse

[terminator122mm 1]

9 hours ago, FluffyBoiOwO@psn said:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/580728-q-5l-missing-countermeasures-visual-model-inaccuracies/

 

it´s already here, and what does the Mirage 3C have to do with it? the 3C never equipped any countermeasures system and RWR irl, which is absurdly different from the Q5L 

Nice to see it reported. Wasnt planning on spending hours online searching for documents in chinese.

[jd_hog77 332]

17 minutes ago, terminator122mm said:

Nice to see it reported. Wasnt planning on spending hours online searching for documents in chinese.

It wasn’t reported, it’s just a bunch of pics that the OP claim to prove the Q-5L had flares. Even if it got posted on the bug report site it wouldn’t be accepted. As supporting are required as well.

[terminator122mm 1]

1 hour ago, jd_hog77 said:

It wasn’t reported, it’s just a bunch of pics that the OP claim to prove the Q-5L had flares. Even if it got posted on the bug report site it wouldn’t be accepted. As supporting are required as well.

He posted some links to some sites too. But he is right anyways, the q5l should have the flares/chaff modification.

[jd_hog77 332]

5 hours ago, terminator122mm said:

He posted some links to some sites too. But he is right anyways, the q5l should have the flares/chaff modification.

I only saw one link to a third party website, which Gaijin has stated multiple times arn’t considered an acceptable source. Besides even if documentation is found there’s no guarantee they be added. As Gaijin treats CM’s like ordinance load outs, as suggestions. 

[shanrocks1 383]

On 13/05/2023 at 08:30, jd_hog77 said:

Besides even if documentation is found there’s no guarantee they be added. As Gaijin treats CM’s like ordinance load outs, as suggestions. 

I haven't seen them treat CMs like a suggestion. If it carried it, they most likely will add it but Gaijin being Gaijin, they will take their time. If your talking about amount of CMs, then yeah they treat that aspect as a suggestion as rn the Isreali F-16 should be able to carry more CMs, Tornado should be able to carry way more Chaff etc.

[jd_hog77 332]

16 hours ago, shanrocks1 said:

I haven't seen them treat CMs like a suggestion. If it carried it, they most likely will add it but Gaijin being Gaijin, they will take their time. If your talking about amount of CMs, then yeah they treat that aspect as a suggestion as rn the Isreali F-16 should be able to carry more CMs, Tornado should be able to carry way more Chaff etc.

It’s been stated by Smin that CM’s are treated as suggestions. Due to how much they can effect an aircraft’s BR. 

[ARK_BOI 810]

Heh Q-5L not only one that has no flare at 9.7 man

[PewPew_From_Hell 108]

The Su17m2 with no flares at 11.0?

[VF21_Freelancers 1,404]

5 hours ago, PewPew_From_Hell said:

The Su17m2 with no flares at 11.0?

It is 10.3BR with 6x R-60s in ARB now...

[PewPew_From_Hell 108]

It was 11.0 when I did it and it was... amazing...not.

[ТhеКомгаdе 864]

Q-5L has ''special'' air to ground guided bombs with targeting pod. That's something you do not see around that BR, if you want to play for Air RB use Q-5A, since 5L is meant for GRB and there no flares is not a big deal. 

 

If Gaijin choose to give flares to Q-5L, it will recieve higher BR and chinese tech tree players will be left with no plane for that BR

Edited May 23, 2023 by ТhеКомгаdе

[Rubberduck_de 17]

16 hours ago, ТhеКомгаdе said:

If Gaijin choose to give flares to Q-5L, it will recieve higher BR and chinese tech tree players will be left with no plane for that BR

This argument is total BS and completely outdated.

Meanwhile, there are aircraft far below these BR that have flares and guided weapons.

Like so many things in GJ, the BR is not at all in line with other nations systems. 
GJ always adds a lot of new toys but never adapts the old existing vehicles to them. 
Give them Flair is no reason to upgrade the aircraft in BR.

Other Nations have at 8.7 Planes with targeting system, flare and automatic guided Bombs and at 9.3 Planes with flare and automatic guided Rocket

Edited May 24, 2023 by Rubberduck_de

[ТhеКомгаdе 864]

10 hours ago, Rubberduck_de said:

This argument is total BS and completely outdated.

Meanwhile, there are aircraft far below these BR that have flares and guided weapons.

Like so many things in GJ, the BR is not at all in line with other nations systems. 
GJ always adds a lot of new toys but never adapts the old existing vehicles to them. 
Give them Flair is no reason to upgrade the aircraft in BR.

Other Nations have at 8.7 Planes with targeting system, flare and automatic guided Bombs and at 9.3 Planes with flare and automatic guided Rocket

 

It's just facts, Nobody have it at this BR, only closest is A-6 TRAM at 10.0 

Edited May 24, 2023 by ТhеКомгаdе

[Rubberduck_de 17]

And with that you have once again refuted your own argumentation, thank you.
The A-6E is a more modern aircraft that has access to a lot of flairs, 4x the most modern air-to-air missiles in the game and plenty of other armament. 
And that's only 0.3 BR levels higher than the Q-5L which is just a pure bomber.
This removes any justification for upgrading it to 10.0 just because of its tiny number of flairs.
Also, you completely ignored the fact that there are already computer guided bombs at 8.7.

[Morvran_ 661]

On 25/05/2023 at 07:26, Rubberduck_de said:

And with that you have once again refuted your own argumentation, thank you.
The A-6E is a more modern aircraft that has access to a lot of flairs, 4x the most modern air-to-air missiles in the game and plenty of other armament. 
And that's only 0.3 BR levels higher than the Q-5L which is just a pure bomber.
This removes any justification for upgrading it to 10.0 just because of its tiny number of flairs.
Also, you completely ignored the fact that there are already computer guided bombs at 8.7.

Q-5L is not only one of the fastest jets of its BR, but its the ground attack variant. If you are trying to dogfight in it, then don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with actual fighters, liklihood is that flares would make bugger all difference.

[Morvran_ 661]

It's BR will be determined by GRB not ARB and I'd imagine that in GRB its pretty strong

[ТhеКомгаdе 864]

On 25/05/2023 at 08:26, Rubberduck_de said:

And with that you have once again refuted your own argumentation, thank you.
The A-6E is a more modern aircraft that has access to a lot of flairs, 4x the most modern air-to-air missiles in the game and plenty of other armament. 
And that's only 0.3 BR levels higher than the Q-5L which is just a pure bomber.
This removes any justification for upgrading it to 10.0 just because of its tiny number of flairs.
Also, you completely ignored the fact that there are already computer guided bombs at 8.7.

 

That's the premium aircraft bias for you. A-4E is too good for 8.7, but that's that offtopic. as i said before if you want to play ARB, use Q-5A as Q-5L is GRB plane. 

[Rubberduck_de 17]

On 26/05/2023 at 21:28, ТhеКомгаdе said:

That's the premium aircraft bias for you. A-4E is too good for 8.7, but that's that offtopic. as i said before if you want to play ARB, use Q-5A as Q-5L is GRB plane. 

 

And again you ignore half of the truth and only want to see what you want. 
 

GJ has ignored the difference between GF and AF for many years. 
They lump everything together with a single BR.
This is also part of the current problems GJ has right now, if you haven't closed your eyes to that too.
Since GJ has been dealing with this for years with one BR, you can't just come along in your wishful thinking and say that only applies to one mode and in the other mode you should take something else. 
You are also ignoring the BR aircraft of other nations, which are much further down the scale and offer all the functions.
This is exactly GJ's current problem that they don't make global adjustments when they bring new things into the game to balance them with the rest of the existing ones.
Yes TV bombs are OP on 8.7 but they are there. Whether TV missiles belong on 9.3 is also debatable but they are there. 
GJ has decided that this is their place. 

 

However, none of your assertions provide the slightest justification for upgrading the aircraft in BR because of the addition of 18 flair.
And now you can continue to ignore 1/2 of the truth and live in your pink world.

As you ignore everything else, there is no point in talking to you any further.