Stop Unfoldering Vehicles

[Papasteak 48]

This really needs to stop. It doesn't matter what Gaijin thinks about what players do/don't want to do. I guarantee that MOST players do not want even more vehicles unfoldered.  The grind is already bad enough, especially for new players.  It's almost as if Gaijin employees don't play their own game and know how long and tedious the grind is, especially w/o a premium account/vehicle.

If we (the players) do not push back on this, Gaijin will continue to unfolder more and more vehicles, thus making the grind even longer and tempting players even more to buy GE and/or premium time/vehicles to make it less miserable.  And don't @ me with "it's a free game!!! what do you expect?!?!"  Nobody cares and Gaijin is already making a killing off of their product (from myself as well).  

[Metal_Major_ZOD 87]

Their reasoning for this change, just like the heli AB change, made no sense at all and in fact goes directly against what they said in the past about foldering vehicles.And of course the response was made in a closed thread so no oportunity for feedback was given.

 

[Jarms 1,558]

3 hours ago, Metal_Major_ZOD said:

Their reasoning for this change, just like the heli AB change, made no sense at all and in fact goes directly against what they said in the past about foldering vehicles.And of course the response was made in a closed thread so no oportunity for feedback was given.

 

Yep. This annoys me the most. There's no dialogue between both parties. We give our feedback, get a politician style response, then we're left in the dark. 

[DISRUPT 18]

There are vehicles all the way through rank 8 that SHOULD be foldered. This move only punishes new players who now have to grind significantly longer to get through certain tech trees. The mountain keeps growing taller as you climb it, while periodically having someone knock you down so that you are forced to pay to speed things up.

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

You guys forgot that at the start of the game (nearly 11years now) there were only 4 folder in the whole game,... (or at least much less than the current).

 

So most of you guys were helped by Gaijin at one time.

Edited May 17, 2023 by Cpt_Bel_V

[Cornee2000 49]

This in combination with all the nerfs on RP and SL earnings makes it very clear they just want to force players into buying premium.

[Comrade_Rin 361]

The dev's are out of touch with the player base, the CM's just spew out what they are told. Most CC's still shill and don't do anything to put pressure on the devs. The game used to be fun, now it's just turning into something awful. 

[Anti_entropy 6]

For real, the latest change is making me think if Gaijin what us to give up on WarThunder and go to play WarThuder Mobile

[Russian_____Bias 215]

They say unfold vehicles is because of newbies unwilling to research folded ones.

But the fact is exactly because of the ridiculously LOW RP and SL income made newbies have NO spare effort to grind those interesting folded ones

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

1 hour ago, Russian_____Bias said:

They say unfold vehicles is because of newbies unwilling to research folded ones.

But the fact is exactly because of the ridiculously LOW RP and SL income made newbies have NO spare effort to grind those interesting folded ones

Best criticism for now.

[TheGhOsTGeneral 239]

Question, has any CM ever actually commented on this? Like, how the player base feels that the devs are going against what a lot of people assume(And it is an assumption since prolly like 70% of the War Thunder player base don't even use the forums or anything) is what the players want? Because foldered vehicles isn't the first time I've seen a loud pushback against a decision the devs have made. But I'm not sure I've ever seen a CM respond to one with a legit response and not a sarcastic answer.

[Russian_____Bias 215]

20 minutes ago, TheGhOsTGeneral said:

Question, has any CM ever actually commented on this? Like, how the player base feels that the devs are going against what a lot of people assume(And it is an assumption since prolly like 70% of the War Thunder player base don't even use the forums or anything) is what the players want? Because foldered vehicles isn't the first time I've seen a loud pushback against a decision the devs have made. But I'm not sure I've ever seen a CM respond to one with a legit response and not a sarcastic answer.

you can find smin's reply for unfolding vehicles from threads about the recent update (I've seen it but just can't remembrer where)

Edited May 17, 2023 by Russian_____Bias

[cortbowan@psn 225]

I have no problem with unfoldering vehicles IF(!!!!) I'm free to decide which vehicles at which BR I can research. 

 

Forcing me, as a new player, to grind through all the low tier vehicles and having different versions of the same tank/plane that differs in such minor ways that I neither notice nor care is absolutely bollox. 

 

[TheGhOsTGeneral 239]

10 minutes ago, Russian_____Bias said:

you can find smin's reply for unfolding vehicles from threads about the recent update (I've seen it but just can't remembrer where)

Weird, just went onto his page and looked at his recent posts and I don't see anything about him making a comment about the folder vehicles or how the community feels

[Russian_____Bias 215]

3 minutes ago, TheGhOsTGeneral said:

Weird, just went onto his page and looked at his recent posts and I don't see anything about him making a comment about the folder vehicles or how the community feels

Oh I remembered it was the thread that demeanding 30% repair cost reduce. Someone asked why gaijin unfolded vehicles and smin said it's because new players tend not to research them. Since it was deleted by CM then nobody can see this.(I really should screenshot at that time)

Edited May 17, 2023 by Russian_____Bias

[cortbowan@psn 225]

I wonder why...since the Marder III and Marder III H are two completely different vehicles and they play completely different....or the Panzer IV F2, G, H and J (yes I know, one of them has a slow turret traverse).

 

Same applies to the YAK-3 in all its variants...

 

People are skipping those vehicles because they are not interested in playing them, they are seen as a hinderence on the way to higher BRs.

I certainly see them this way because I'm interested in higher BR vehicles and not in low tier games.

 

Those who are WW2 enhusiasts will unlock those vehicles, they will spade them and they'll have a great time with them, if they can afford the repair bills now, but for those of us who do not care about the low tier stuff, they are a roadblock and nothing else.  

 

[TheGhOsTGeneral 239]

36 minutes ago, Russian_____Bias said:

Oh I remembered it was the thread that demeanding 30% repair cost reduce. Someone asked why gaijin unfolded vehicles and smin said it's because new players tend not to research them. Since it was deleted by CM then nobody can see this.(I really should screenshot at that time)

Gotcha, Thank you.

[MantarochenMax 176]

What's even the point of unfoldering? I mean, like for real? 

 

Foldered vehicles can be researched, but don't have to be. I see no upside in changing that besides making the grind for the players more annoying, since these foldered vehicles don't differ too much most of the time. (Which is the xxxx reason they were foldered in the first place).

[KiloZulu 114]

I have a ton of premium vehicles, and I maintain a premium account, so I recognize that I'm part of the problem.  I've created incentive for Gaijin to make the grind harder so players will seek premium time and vehicles.  The problem is that they have made the game such a grind, that it discourages new and casual players.  It also leads to more and more premium-only players in matches who vanish after one death.  I've seen this first hand, because I've had friends abandon the game once earning silver lions for their next vehicle became a chore.

 

When I saw today's "digest" pop up in War Thunder, it just hit me the wrong way.  "Many achievements require hard work that can take several days or even weeks." and, "It sure is great to see the fruits of your labour, isn't it?"  To me, it just hammered home that these "game developers" have some odd notions about what makes a game "fun."  Here's the thing Gaijin, we need the free-to-play players to fill out the teams.  When I'm always getting matches with only a dozen players, or my team evaporates in the first few minutes of the battle, I start to think that the game is no longer worth my time and money.  I spend money on games so that I can have fun OUTSIDE of work, not to work more.  If you want us to work, then I think you should start paying us, instead.

Edited May 18, 2023 by KiloZulu

[CatHunting 9]

Gaijin needs to stop unfolding vehicles before it makes the grind to long. The thing we need is more folded vehicles not unfolding vehicles. putting vehicles into a folder will help with the grind and make more sense.

None of this unfolding vehicles is good we need to get it back to how we remembered it a few days ago, even better more vehicles in folders! We need to resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 This is not my vid but he supports what imm saying.

Also another vid that supports what im saying but not my vid.

[jd_hog77 332]

Tec is actually making fun of these people not supporting them. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by jd_hog77

[Razielkaine 4,876]

27 minutes ago, CatHunting said:

Gaijin needs to stop unfolding vehicles before it makes the grind to long. The thing we need is more folded vehicles not unfolding vehicles. putting vehicles into a folder will help with the grind and make more sense.

None of this unfolding vehicles is good we need to get it back to how we remembered it a few days ago, even better more vehicles in folders! We need to resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 This is not my vid but he supports what imm saying.

Also another vid that supports what im saying but not my vid.

You need ro watch the video. He's making fun of people making your argument lol

 

The grind is shorted now, they reduced the rp and sl cost to compensate.  More vehicles played and fully researched means less rp to grind.

[YeetMastr300 0]

They only unfoldered like bottom tier tanks why ppl complain

Edited May 17, 2023 by YeetMastr300

[Bobtheragelot 1]

I feel the more updates come out the worse it gets, while they did buff some sl gains and reduced some repair costs from what I have seen generally the average sl and rp gain has been reduced. And in addition to that while yes it is only with low tier vehicles right now if we don't do anything they will start unfoldering higher tier vehicles. I do not want to grind through 3 Bf-109's that are mostly the same but average more than 50k rp each. It would be even worse with the Fokel Wolfs. So in summery they are doing low tier to test the waters to check for backlash before moving on to high tiers while making the economy generally worse but buffing a few things to make it look better.

[Papasteak 48]

4 hours ago, KiloZulu said:

I have a ton of premium vehicles, and I maintain a premium account, so I recognize that I'm part of the problem.  I've created incentive for Gaijin to make the grind harder so players will seek premium time and vehicles.  The problem is that they have made the game such a grind, that it discourages new and casual players.  It also leads to more and more premium-only players in matches who vanish after one death.  I've seen this first hand, because I've had friends abandon the game once earning silver lions for their next vehicle became a chore.

 

I'm like you. I've spent more than enough on this game, and that shouldn't be a problem. The issue is Gaijin taking advantage of it with an increase in $$$ and going overboard with the reduction in SL/RP gained on non-premium vehicles. They've already said that premium vehicles are for making money, not tech tree vehicles. If that's the case, count me out.  I'll no longer contribute to a company that actively alienates a large population of their player base. At least Tarkov is already paid for and I don't need to keep buying premium trash to keep up.