Missing Weapons on the Italian Tornado IDS

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

Good evening to everyone. 

Today I'm here to list some weapons that were displayed with the Italian Tornado IDS and they can increase the performance of the aircraft a lot:

1) AGM 65 Maverick

The Maverick is an aircraft launched anti tank missiles alredy present on various aircraft in the game. This missile will be able to help a lot this aircraft since it perform very good and will give to the Italian Tornado improved air to Ground capability. 

https://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001197072.html

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3) CASMU SkyShark

The Skyshark was a cluster Rocket propelled guided bombs developed by Italy for The tornado and the AMX

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyshark

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4) AIM 132 ASRAAM

The Aim 132 ASRAAM is a air to air missiles developed and used by the British air force

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5) MW-1

The MW-1 is a cluster bomb Dispenser developed by Germany and used mainly in the German air force. It was tested by the Italian Tornados

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6) British unguided and re-tarded  bombs 

The Italian Tornado in service used mainly American bombs but it was tested and showed with British unguided and re-tarded bombs

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7) BL755 cluster bombs

The BL755 was a cluster bomb developed by the UK. It was also used on the Italian Tornados

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8) Marte MK2S 

The Marte MK2S is an Italian air launched anti ship missile. It is mainly used on helis, but it conduct tests on various aircraft such as the AMX,the MB339 and the Tornado

9)MK 20 Rocke ye Cluster bomb

The MK20 was an American cluster bomb. it was used in service by the Italian Tornados

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10) AS34 Kormoran 

The Kormoran is a german anti ship missile. It was used in service by the Italian air force and by the German air force.

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11) ATK AGM 88 Harm 

An american made anti radiation missile. It was used in service on the Italian Tornados

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(I will do more uptate in future but now I'm having some big difficoulties)

 

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by Il_Signor_Regio

[IngegnerMacchi 623]

+1 especially seeing that the Mirage2000 received the PGM500 and PGM2000, they would make all tornados (german ASSTA, italian IDS and Britain GR.1) better and since they were marketed with them why not? for mavericks aswell if gaijin wants and in future all the missing armaments not yet implemented

[Виктор_Цой 1]

3 hours ago, Il_Signor_Regio said:

1) AGM 65 Maverick

Basically every good top tier CAS option has Electro-optical missiles. Gotta give this a +1

[S__bastienZ88 635]

+1 because Italy needs a proper high tier CAS.

 

I'm still waiting for the G91Y to get it's AS-30L. 

[Hawaiian pizza 92]

+1

[X_pazzo1972_X 104]

+1 gib more armament options for the Italian Tornado

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

Italy needs to be treated as an actual faction in the game.  Not some sort of unwanted step-child.

 

[OpusAudereSemper 80]

+1 absolutely agree

[TheS1up 1,452]

Absolutely +1, but to get these additional suspended armaments we're going to need historical reports for them, and then the devs will eventually consider adding them

[BlueBeta 7,558]

22 hours ago, Il_Signor_Regio said:

2) PGM 500 and 2000 : The PGM 500 and 2000 are a family of guided bombs developed by Italy and Britain. They were both tested on the British and the Italian Tornado

About this weapons I don't think is a "missing load" because Italy received them after the upgrade done in 2000 and the IDS in game is a specific earlier version.

[BlueBeta 7,558]

Another weapon the IDS is missing is the possibility to use 2 Kormoran. The Italian one was the only that had this configuration. Germany had the 4x (already in game)

 

 

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

23 minutes ago, BlueBeta said:

About this weapons I don't think is a "missing load" because Italy received them after the upgrade done in 2000 and the IDS in game is a specific earlier version.

Ah I didn't know that. When I made the suggestion of the A200C I never saw a picture/document talk about It with the PGM family. Do You have any other document/picture of the A200c with the PGM?( So I can maiby put them in the suggestion of the A200C)

Edited May 20, 2023 by Il_Signor_Regio

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

14 minutes ago, BlueBeta said:

Another weapon the IDS is missing is the possibility to use 2 Kormoran. The Italian one was the only that had this configuration. Germany had the 4x (already in game)

As I said I'm having very big troubles since I'm am One of the people Who live in the region of Romagna and if You look to the Television You probably know what appened here. Aniway I'm making this post weapons After weapons in the dead times, and I have a lot more to add so for some weapons please be patient. About the Kormorans,  i didn't include them because Smin alredy said that they Will maiby come in future, so I consider them alredy "confirmed".

Edited May 20, 2023 by Il_Signor_Regio

[BlueBeta 7,558]

I think that we can ask a second Tornado variant to have in game a "post 2000" plane with better configurations.

The Tornado IDS MLU can help to have a second plane with different loads leaving the 1995 version that we have in game basically unchanged.

 

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

2 minutes ago, BlueBeta said:

I think that we can ask a second Tornado variant to have in game a "post 2000" plane with better configurations.

The Tornado IDS MLU can help to have a second plane with different loads leaving the 1995 version that we have in game basically unchanged.

 

Yeah maiby this can be a good idea. Please If You have any more pictures/document that talk about some weapons used on the Italian Tornado that are not alredy in the A200C post, feel free to send them

[TerikG2014 1,389]

1 hour ago, Il_Signor_Regio said:

Ah I didn't know that. When I made the suggestion of the A200C I never saw a picture/document talk about It with the PGM family. Do You have any other document/picture of the A200c with the PGM?( So I can maiby put them in the suggestion of the A200C)

Unfortunately the only picture I've found of a Tonka with the PGM's fitted is a GR.1

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

7 minutes ago, TerikG2014 said:

Unfortunately the only picture I've found of a Tonka with the PGM's fitted is a GR.1

Yeah I alredy see that picture. But at least for this One we have multiple photos of the weapons on ground

[da12thmonkey 43]

But the purpose of the display is to show all weapons for Tornado across all partner nations whether used by Italy or not. The fact it's an Italian aircraft on the display doesn't strongly support that Italy operated all this weapons.

Things like the British 1000lb bombs and Sea Eagle are somewhat out of place for Italy as they had their own preferred alternatives with Società Esplosivi Industriali (now Rheinmetall Waffe Munition Italia) copies of Mk.80 bombs (BA 102, BA 103, BA 104), and Kormoran AShM

 

Italy might have a shout for the PGM/Al-Hakim since it was marketed by Alenia-Marconi an Italian-British venture, before most of the European companies formed together as MBDA. But PGM was built by the Marconi part of the business in the UK having inherited it from the British firm Ferranti who took over the American company that developed it. Design authority and export approval is held by the UK and as above the only Tornado seen carrying it has been a British one operated by the RAF's Strike Attack Operational Evaluation Unit probably during evaluation for the CASOM program that eventually led to Storm Shadow/SCALP (which was also selected by Italy)

 

The British BL-755 cluster bombs seen on the Tornado wings in your images might have been carried by Italian Tornados however, as Italian F-104S was certainly carrying them. But I've noted that since 1991 it's widely believed Italy used the US Mk.20 Rockeye on Tornado instead

 

Can also seen on the right of the first image, the Snake Eye tail kit used as xxxx bombs on Italian Mk.80 type munitions, but I think Italy also use a ballute tail like German Tornados do

Edited May 21, 2023 by da12thmonkey

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

You seemed to have missed BL.755, in the photos it is on the pylons.

 

 

For more information about BL.755, see the link below and the above reply.

 

 

Mavericks are a weird issue on the Tornado, as various publications state that the aircraft could carry them, but no nation ever mounted them in service. In one of the British threads it may have been mentioned (if my memory serves me well) that mounting trials may have been conducted, but the weapon was never integrated onto the aircraft. I shall have to search more though.

 

Also, I must note that just because a weapon is displayed next to an aircraft does not necessarily mean it carried it. These were generally done as marketing exercises to show off new weapons currently in development. As long as they're realistic, I don't mind seeing them get added if it makes sense. But things like ASRAAM were never used by the Italians, nor was it ever tested by them to my knowledge, especially on Tornado. Adding to the current variants in game would not make much sense, in addition to the fact that the UK wouldn't be able to get them until the GR.4 is added, as no GR.1s (or early IDS aircraft in general for that matter) carried the ASRAAM to my knowledge.

 

Other than that I support this

Edited May 21, 2023 by AVROVULCANXH558

[BlueBeta 7,558]

1 hour ago, da12thmonkey said:

The British BL-755 cluster bombs seen on the Tornado wings in your images might have been carried by Italian Tornados

The Italian IDS carried up to 7 BL-755 in these pylons

 

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

18 hours ago, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

You seemed to have missed BL.755, in the photos it is on the pylons.

 

 

For more information about BL.755, see the link below and the above reply.

 

 

Mavericks are a weird issue on the Tornado, as various publications state that the aircraft could carry them, but no nation ever mounted them in service. In one of the British threads it may have been mentioned (if my memory serves me well) that mounting trials may have been conducted, but the weapon was never integrated onto the aircraft. I shall have to search more though.

 

Also, I must note that just because a weapon is displayed next to an aircraft does not necessarily mean it carried it. These were generally done as marketing exercises to show off new weapons currently in development. As long as they're realistic, I don't mind seeing them get added if it makes sense. But things like ASRAAM were never used by the Italians, nor was it ever tested by them to my knowledge, especially on Tornado. Adding to the current variants in game would not make much sense, in addition to the fact that the UK wouldn't be able to get them until the GR.4 is added, as no GR.1s (or early IDS aircraft in general for that matter) carried the ASRAAM to my knowledge.

 

Other than that I support this

About the ASRAAM, Italy test them multiple times, there are photo of Italian Eurofighter with them and even Italian AV8B with them. So it's probably that they were tested on the Italian Tornado too.

Edited May 22, 2023 by Il_Signor_Regio

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

41 minutes ago, Il_Signor_Regio said:

About the ASRAAM, Italy test them multiple times, there are photo of Italian Eurofighter with them and even Italian AV8B with them. So it's probably that they were tested on the Italian Tornado too.

Then it's possible, though I don't think it would make sense on the Tornado due to BR

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

10 minutes ago, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

Then it's possible, though I don't think it would make sense on the Tornado due to BR

Yeah probably the br would be a problem. But if they will be added to the uptated variant (the A200C) that will probably be at the same BR of a GR4 (that has them) and the second variant of the German Tornado (With IRIS-T) that would make more sense.

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

45 minutes ago, Il_Signor_Regio said:

Yeah probably the br would be a problem. But if they will be added to the uptated variant (the A200C) that will probably be at the same BR of a GR4 (that has them) and the second variant of the German Tornado (With IRIS-T) that would make more sense.

Yeah I would agree with that. At least it would give the Tornadoes a bit more of defensive armament in short range engagement.

[BlueBeta 7,558]

2 hours ago, Il_Signor_Regio said:

Yeah probably the br would be a problem. But if they will be added to the uptated variant (the A200C) that will probably be at the same BR of a GR4 (that has them) and the second variant of the German Tornado (With IRIS-T) that would make more sense.

I agree too. It's the smartest thing to do, and having another plane in the TT is good because the weapons carried are much different.