FW190A vs Spitfire V

[DocProfit 2,663]

I've been doing some reading on what happened in WW2 when the FW190A was first introduced.

 

At the time the main Spitfire being used by the British was the mark V.

 

 

A German pilot accidentally landed a FW190 on a British airfield, allowing proper testing of the aircraft against each other.

 

 

 

"In terms of one verses one performance it was found that the Fw190A was markedly superior to the Spitfire Mk V in the dive, climb and rate of roll and, most importantly, the German fighter was faster at all heights by between 25-35mph."

 

 

Try outclimbing a Spit V in a FW190A in War Thunder - good luck.

 

The 190's just feel "Meh".

 

 

My personal observation is that I rarely see 190's in matches, the sky's are always full of 109's.

 

Even the Dora is a rare sight, and it's had it's BR reduced to 5.0.

 

Were they really that sluggish IRL?

 

How did this fearsome plane that was nicknamed 'The Butcher Bird' translate so poorly in War Thunder?

 

[Morvran_ 661]

10 hours ago, DocProfit said:

I've been doing some reading on what happened in WW2 when the FW190A was first introduced.

 

At the time the main Spitfire being used by the British was the mark V.

 

 

A German pilot accidentally landed a FW190 on a British airfield, allowing proper testing of the aircraft against each other.

 

 

 

"In terms of one verses one performance it was found that the Fw190A was markedly superior to the Spitfire Mk V in the dive, climb and rate of roll and, most importantly, the German fighter was faster at all heights by between 25-35mph."

 

 

Try outclimbing a Spit V in a FW190A in War Thunder - good luck.

 

The 190's just feel "Meh".

 

 

My personal observation is that I rarely see 190's in matches, the sky's are always full of 109's.

 

Even the Dora is a rare sight, and it's had it's BR reduced to 5.0.

 

Were they really that sluggish IRL?

 

How did this fearsome plane that was nicknamed 'The Butcher Bird' translate so poorly in War Thunder?

 

Likely because the 109 at that BR is simply a lot better. The game's BR is based upon matchmaking and balance, not historical line up. Same reason we dont have F4s fighting Mig-19s and Mig-21s; Also I think the 190 was a great energy fighter, diving down onto the spits and then out diivng them. But in a turn fight, Spit would win. WT ARB is a turn fight melee usually.

 

 

[DocProfit 2,663]

7 hours ago, Morvran_ said:

Also I think the 190 was a great energy fighter, diving down onto the spits and then out diivng them.

 

Yeah, that was the big part of my point.

 

In direct one on one testing the FW190A outclimbed the Spitfire V.

 

And that was from a British report made after testing a captured 190.

 

So why is the 190 climb rate so poor in War Thunder? (14.1 m/s)

 

Or, perhaps, why is the Spit V climb rate so good in comparison? (18 m/s)

 

 

 

Ill leave you with this:

 

 

 

As the autumn of 1941 turned into the spring and summer of 1942, the ‘Butcher Bird’ lived up to its name. A string of one-sided combats began to cement the legend of the Fw190s supremacy in the minds of Fighter Command.

 

As a further example, over two days at the beginning of June the Fw190s of the Luftwaffe’s Fighter Wing 26  shot down fifteen RAF Spitfire Vs for no loss.

 

In August Operation Jubilee saw forty-eight squadrons of Spitfires – most equipped with Spitfire Vbs and Vcs – arrayed against the Fw190As of JG2 and JG26. In the resulting combats 90 RAF fighters were lost compared to the Luftwaffe’s 23.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dannaryan@psn 2,094]

The 190 does outperform the Spitfire Mk V in all aspects barring turn and climb rate depending on which Mk V you're comparing against. What most of the reports are referring to is zoom climb which the 190A beats every Spit in up to a LF IX. 

 

Off memory the later Spitfire V's are LF variants which are actually quite hot down low despite popular belief. In Sim I've caught quite a few 109F-4 pilots trying to run away. Take them up high and they suffer. 

 

 

[KillaKiwi 5,478]

4 hours ago, dannaryan@psn said:

Off memory the later Spitfire V's are LF variants which are actually quite hot down low despite popular belief. In Sim I've caught quite a few 109F-4 pilots trying to run away. Take them up high and they suffer. 

Well, the Bf 109 isn't really known for it's speed, right?

The Fw 190 was faster so it makes sense that the F-4 wouldn't be able to outrun a Spitfire V easily.

[Revan131 769]

dont expect real world anything in this game.   game is much more enjoyable if you think of it as a fantasy game with fictional vehicles.

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On 21/05/2023 at 04:08, DocProfit said:

I've been doing some reading on what happened in WW2 when the FW190A was first introduced.

 

If you like to read more, i strongly recommend:

 

 

I bought this book as paperback more than 20 years ago. 

 

Look at reviews on amazon from 1999, a great book.

 

 

 

 

[DocProfit 2,663]

17 hours ago, dannaryan@psn said:

The 190 does outperform the Spitfire Mk V in all aspects barring turn and climb rate depending on which Mk V you're comparing against.

 

 

 

I'll fly the Spit mk Vb trop - the worst one.

 

You can pick the A1, A4, any A5, the A8 or F8.

 

I will crush your face

 

 

The Spit pilot basically has to make a mistake and overshoot in order to lose.

 

[dannaryan@psn 2,094]

On 23/05/2023 at 03:45, DocProfit said:

 

I'll fly the Spit mk Vb trop - the worst one.

 

You can pick the A1, A4, any A5, the A8 or F8.

 

I will crush your face

 

 

The Spit pilot basically has to make a mistake and overshoot in order to lose.

 

Deal.

Although I play Sim not RB but I'm sure I'll get the hang of it.

 

Equal altitude start, same speed and fight's on after the pass. Just be warned you're going to find the fight possibly boring as I'm not going to dogfight you but rather extend and gain separation. If I can acclimatize to RB controls you'll either never ever catch me or be energy fought to oblivion. 

 

The literal only advantage you have is turn. 

[KillaKiwi 5,478]

4 hours ago, dannaryan@psn said:

The literal only advantage you have is turn. 

Seems about right. Maybe better climb though?

[Thodin 6,784]

Man its a game. Its no secret that its tweaked a bit to be not exactly in favor of axis equipment. Just check the drag modifiers for autocannon ammunition and ask yourself why Ger shells usually have significantly more drag that other nations 20mm or 30mm ammunition. There are minor and not so minor tweaks everywhere.

[dannaryan@psn 2,094]

On 27/05/2023 at 15:18, KillaKiwi said:

Seems about right. Maybe better climb though?

Only at low speeds off memory. If you shallow climb in your 190 and focus on retaining speed the Spitfire falls back. Of course this means you need the speed to begin with though. 

[_Yoschi_ 695]

On 21/05/2023 at 03:08, DocProfit said:

I've been doing some reading on what happened in WW2 when the FW190A was first introduced.

 

At the time the main Spitfire being used by the British was the mark V.

 

 

A German pilot accidentally landed a FW190 on a British airfield, allowing proper testing of the aircraft against each other.

 

 

 

"In terms of one verses one performance it was found that the Fw190A was markedly superior to the Spitfire Mk V in the dive, climb and rate of roll and, most importantly, the German fighter was faster at all heights by between 25-35mph."

 

 

Try outclimbing a Spit V in a FW190A in War Thunder - good luck.

 

The 190's just feel "Meh".

 

 

My personal observation is that I rarely see 190's in matches, the sky's are always full of 109's.

 

Even the Dora is a rare sight, and it's had it's BR reduced to 5.0.

 

Were they really that sluggish IRL?

 

How did this fearsome plane that was nicknamed 'The Butcher Bird' translate so poorly in War Thunder?

 

War Thunder it's not accurate in meany thing when you consider phisic and areodynamics. They use like 20+ years old phisic engine and their spaghetti code...

 

In this arcade* game is not enough to add simple data like wing area power etc. Because result what phisical engine generate are not accurate with real life. So they need "tweak" FMs some of the planes. By additional variables.

 

Gajin are lazy to bring new phisic engine. So you need just have in mid that some thing who look like FW190 and have name FW190 it's not performance like FW190...

[MrBader 516]

On 22/05/2023 at 15:25, Uncle J Wick@live said:

 

If you like to read more, i strongly recommend:

 

 

I bought this book as paperback more than 20 years ago. 

 

Look at reviews on amazon from 1999, a great book.

Hi,

I couldn't agree more! I must have reread mine 20 times....until it fell apart. Great book.

On 22/05/2023 at 15:25, Uncle J Wick@live said:

 

 

 

 

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On 21/05/2023 at 14:14, Morvran_ said:

But in a turn fight, Spit would win.

The V would struggle against the A.