War Thunder withdrawing from Steam?

[_Pterodacty91855 193]

1 minute ago, Pope_Shizzle said:

And right on queue, the derail has started.  Lasted barely a page.  Gaijin and their minions know their playerbase oh so well.

 

In the end does it really matter?  Whats done has been done.  

 

Remember Steam reviews and all other reviews can be changed.  Something Gaijin seems to not realize at the moment.  All you have to do is do better and those reviews will change.  

[VF21_Freelancers 1,404]

If they actually pull out of Steam, I can finally stop playing this game.

I don't want to install their own client again because it is just boring.

Edited May 22, 2023 by WheelchairGamer

[_Pterodacty91855 193]

2 minutes ago, _Zekken said:

Eh, to be fair, they have been asked for, repeatedly, for years. And they never listened. 

 

In recent history when it comes to the playerbase asking for change, review bombing such as this is the only tactic that has been repeatedly proven to work at forcing game developers to listen to their playerbase and implement changes, which is why its become more common. 

 

In the playerbases eyes, this was a necessary step after years of feeling like they werent being listened to. 

 

 

Its not review bombing if its warranted.  If I owned a McDonalds and the food was sloppy, drinks always out of carbonation, ice cream machine always broken.  Food never comes correct or cooked good.  The score on the wall says 72 from the health department.  The google reviews are 2 star.  

 

Do I have a right to suddenly cry about being review bombed or canceled?  NO.  I earned that score.  I earned those reviews.  Warthunder is no different.  Its not review bombing if the reviews are 100% true.  

[supersaiyan9751@live 366]

I am surprised steam got review bombed but the Microsoft store didn’t. Considering how many sales Xbox misses out on I expected it to explode before steam did. Oh well, just another wrongly assumed thing. Time to try and guess if gaijin will somehow avoid a community catastrophe.

[DrunkTexan 0]

Well, we'll have to see how far this continues to go.

[T_reaper_01@psn 18]

2 hours ago, _Zekken said:

They're taking a Sturmtiger shell to the foot if they do that, frankly. 

 

In all honestly I think this is a bit of an overreaction by the playerbase, though I understand its the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people, but I must admit the way Gaijin is handling the blowout is very poor. 

You literally just argued with yourself. My god you people just can't help but be scared of offending Gaijin. Are you adults or little kids? Are you kidding me, an overreaction? Name one other way to get this company to respect any wishes of its player base, and to not rip us off? Seriously, don't name some lame little example of oh they added this tank or they didn't add that plane. I'm talking serious issues, you know, like a ton of players not being able to afford to play the game because the company chose to rip us off - on purpose. They very well knew what they were doing. Hence the poor response in the comment they wrote. They don't even feel they did anything wrong, or rather they won't admit it. The economy should never be this terrible. As much as they charge for some premiums and the fact that we pay for premium to begin with and STILL can't make any SL, no, it was on purpose because they created their game and they know exactly how it works. It's already enough with the Russian bias BS but the ripping us off for money is it. How can you seriously say it was an overreaction? I'm sure if nothing was done, it all would continue to get even worse where we'd have to pay GE to freaking log in just to play plus lose SL plus have to have premium. Wake up 

[_Zekken 714]

13 minutes ago, T_reaper_01@psn said:

You literally just argued with yourself. My god you people just can't help but be scared of offending Gaijin. Are you adults or little kids? Are you kidding me, an overreaction? Name one other way to get this company to respect any wishes of its player base, and to not rip us off? Seriously, don't name some lame little example of oh they added this tank or they didn't add that plane. I'm talking serious issues, you know, like a ton of players not being able to afford to play the game because the company chose to rip us off - on purpose. They very well knew what they were doing. Hence the poor response in the comment they wrote. They don't even feel they did anything wrong, or rather they won't admit it. The economy should never be this terrible. As much as they charge for some premiums and the fact that we pay for premium to begin with and STILL can't make any SL, no, it was on purpose because they created their game and they know exactly how it works. It's already enough with the Russian bias BS but the ripping us off for money is it. How can you seriously say it was an overreaction? I'm sure if nothing was done, it all would continue to get even worse where we'd have to pay GE to freaking log in just to play plus lose SL plus have to have premium. Wake up 

What the heck are you on about?

[LD_FR 64]

To the blokes defending gaijin, I seriously hope you're getting paid cause I'd hate for you to be wrong for free.

[Melthornal 74]

Anyone saying players are "overreacting" are objectively speaking wrong. Its not a matter of opinion, that's a matter of fact.

 

Players have made the same complaints every single day for years ever since I started playing this game. The same exact complaints every single time. Everyone knows the problem, everyone agrees on the problem, everyone has voiced their opinion on the matter.

 

What has Gaijin done?

 

1. They have condescended to the players. Implying we are stupid little children who don't know better.
2. They have been arrogant.
3. THEY HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO MAKE THE PROBLEMS WORSE
4. They have banned players from forums, closed threads, silenced people, shut people out. All for expressing the same thing we all share and agree on and accept as major problems.
5. They tell us "We've thought about it, and no, we will not change it. All future discussion will be closed and ignored and if you insist on bringing it up we will ban you from speaking."
6. They have fled from all forums of conversation where they did not have absolute control over the narrative so they can avoid players expressing their opinions on these issues that we all agree are major problems.

This is what they've done. The player base acting the way they are acting know is completely, 100% justified. IMO people are going very easy on gaijin, and things could be going much worse for gaijin right now.

 

And, I just want to say this one thing to make it very clear, if Gaijin doesn't address these problems really soon, this issue will hit mainstream media and it will explode in a way nobody can control. Instead of having the most hardcore players talking about it, you will have everyone talking about it.

 

And, I will also say this, Gaijin removing steam from their website today was incredibly short sighted because now mainstream news is talking about picking up the story and nongamers are memeing about the company.

 

Gaijin needs to change CEO immediately and completely change the way they act if they want to save themselves from even more damage to their company.

[Real K Soze@live 407]

1 hour ago, supersaiyan9751@live said:

I am surprised steam got review bombed but the Microsoft store didn’t. Considering how many sales Xbox misses out on I expected it to explode before steam did.

 

Actually tried to add a review; i was not able to put a written comment to it, i could just add a 1 to 5 rating....

 

[Zer0_Tru7h 1,207]

10 minutes ago, Melthornal said:

Players have made the same complaints every single day for years ever since I started playing this game. The same exact complaints every single time. Everyone knows the problem, everyone agrees on the problem, everyone has voiced their opinion on the matter.

 

This is what annoys me about youtubers who claim the fanbase needs to keep the dialogue constructive as gaijin themselves have never been willing to have a constructive debate. The gaslighting and contempt says it all and they're definition of listening is doing something outrageous on purpose and then claiming to have listened after scaling back their changes to only a slightly less negative outcome. As someone who has a degree in business administration I can rather confidently say all of these things will be pre planned in advance by their finance department as these manipulative PR tactics are well known, people are talking about this as if the company is just stumbling its way through to making money which it most definitely isn't. They know what they are doing.

 

The game has been sliding down this slope for ages. I also blame the modern gaming industry as a whole for the amount of BS people will tolerate these days.

[Bruce_R1 2,118]

23 minutes ago, Melthornal said:

Gaijin needs to change CEO immediately

Change? Who is it now?

[_Acadia_ 114]

Missed golden age of Warthunder before modern stuff come (under 2018), when tank BR max is 8.7, plane is only 9.0, no top tier premium, nice progression

Ladies and gentleman this is how greed can corrupt people

 

[VF21_Freelancers 1,404]

35 minutes ago, Melthornal said:

Anyone saying players are "overreacting" are objectively speaking wrong. Its not a matter of opinion, that's a matter of fact.

 

Players have made the same complaints every single day for years ever since I started playing this game. The same exact complaints every single time. Everyone knows the problem, everyone agrees on the problem, everyone has voiced their opinion on the matter.

 

What has Gaijin done?

 

1. They have condescended to the players. Implying we are stupid little children who don't know better.
2. They have been arrogant.
3. THEY HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO MAKE THE PROBLEMS WORSE
4. They have banned players from forums, closed threads, silenced people, shut people out. All for expressing the same thing we all share and agree on and accept as major problems.
5. They tell us "We've thought about it, and no, we will not change it. All future discussion will be closed and ignored and if you insist on bringing it up we will ban you from speaking."
6. They have fled from all forums of conversation where they did not have absolute control over the narrative so they can avoid players expressing their opinions on these issues that we all agree are major problems.

This is what they've done. The player base acting the way they are acting know is completely, 100% justified. IMO people are going very easy on gaijin, and things could be going much worse for gaijin right now.

 

And, I just want to say this one thing to make it very clear, if Gaijin doesn't address these problems really soon, this issue will hit mainstream media and it will explode in a way nobody can control. Instead of having the most hardcore players talking about it, you will have everyone talking about it.

 

And, I will also say this, Gaijin removing steam from their website today was incredibly short sighted because now mainstream news is talking about picking up the story and nongamers are memeing about the company.

 

Gaijin needs to change CEO immediately and completely change the way they act if they want to save themselves from even more damage to their company.

Probably you shouldn't use red text.

It is only mods can be used.

11 minutes ago, _Acadia_ said:

Missed golden age of Warthunder before modern stuff come (under 2018), when tank BR max is 8.7, plane is only 9.0, no top tier premium, nice progression

Ladies and gentleman this is how greed can corrupt people

 

When dueling skill was actually needed in top tier games...

[Neobushido 20]

don't blame them ever since valve caved in to microsoft's pressure and is software block ppl who don't use their spyware in a bit over 200 days. I'm ready to switch to the launcher like i used to play it.

[Vamilad 238]

If Gaijin is willing to cut off the majority of their player base from playing their game then all the community's reaction has been appropriate.  It would prove the developers do not care about the player base and simply view us as wallets.

[abehamre@psn 34]

The negative critism last days to the snail is well deserved. I have 2 frends of mine that started to play this game about 3 years ago and iv been telling them the game got Worser and worser after each update since then. Both of them have quit now. They had premium accounts and many prem wheachles too. Its sad that it has come to this for both players and snail. But in this crises Gaijin also have a large opportunity to fix and do the right tings and strait tings up. 

[LooseMarmoset 1]

I have probably 2000+ hours in this game. I am not a premium player. I didn't mind grinding so much (even though it's gotten worse since rewards have dropped) since I wasn't playing for premium, but repair costs alone made this pretty much impossible.

 

I didn't complain about overpowered premiums, because I could have that overpowered premium if I paid - I feel like people that put their money in *should* get value. But now I can't even progress even in low- and mid-tier matches because of repair costs alone.

 

Take, for example, the US Aviation Tech Tree 4.7 F4U 1C 20mm:

 

In recent matches, I was killing 3+ enemies alone with just this plane in matches, which is at least average gameplay - yet I lost money overall. In one match alone along with the US M18, I lost 10k SL even though I only took two deaths, got three kills, 4 assists, several scouts, base defender, and at least one base capture.

 

I'm a casual player, I just want to jump on and shoot some people in the tank over the internet sometimes. It's very cathartic to CAS tanks into oblivion, but I'm not a great player or even super competitive. I consider any match with better than a 1:1 K/D ratio a successful one (especially with all the bots and hacks from the country that shall not be named). Gaijin advertises free-to-play, but clearly they've decided against that kind of gameplay as practical. What do we get instead? Re-treads of old maps with all the cool sniping spots blocked off behind a timer (japan, abandoned town), but only on one half of the map, of course. Or, maps that let one side (and only one side) snipe into the opposing spawn from safety (middle east) But hey, look at all that snow! The problem is that to enjoy that snow with a helping of CAS, I have to play a 2.7 plane in a 5.7 match or I can't afford the repair costs anymore. There are some planes that can do it, the Swedish B-239, the USSR Yak-1 and Yak-2 KABB, the US P-39, and the German BF109 F1.

 

The highest-tier plane I can play and still break even on (most of the time) is the British Typhoon Mk Ib/L.

 

So, you have all this now, and a filthy casual like me doesn't want to deal with it anymore. And when you delete, ignore, or block feedback from people that isn't abusive, that isn't helpful. You're getting the bad steam reviews because you ignored all that feedback and let the discontent get away from you because you put your fingers in your ears and said "LALALALALALALA THESE CHANGES ARE ACTUALLY HELPFUL YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND", well, people do understand quite well - they just don't like what you're saying.

 

War Thunder really is the best wargaming to be had online, and Gaijin is squandering that resource and all the goodwill they had. You're trying to metagame the player experience too much, and a straightforward and honest approach to costs and progression would go a long way. You *should* reward premium players with content not available to non-premium, IMO - I don't think that's controversial at all. But you won't make any friends forcing premium just so people can break even.

[The_Doctor_084 1,583]

I have nearly 12,000 hours in Warthunder via steam and maybe another 1000 outside of Steam, for me the progression reductions only hurt going through a new tree but for every other nation I'm done and only have the new stuff to worry about from time to time.  So, overall their changes don't affect me that much.  That said I've seen how Gaijin operates over the years I did use their survey link and gave them my feedback (I expect it to be binned because I have seen how "well" Gaijin listens when it comes to the in game economy) If it's Russian any issues get addressed quickly I remember after the T-10M was added within 3 months they'd fixed the armor profile.  It took them years to address the M60A1's mantlet even though their were pictures and schematics from the company itself Gaijin ignored it until it basically didn't matter the content had passed it by so they could "address it"  I saw when they stated a few months after the US ground tree dropped that Gaijin said they were "TEMPORARILY" introducing mixed battles into ground forces (they never reverted it) how during the first Thunder League tournament the post about vehicles that could be brought in was anything up to tier 4 (anything there was no forced line-ups) after the first day (6 hours of play) they changed it over night, some of the people I spoke to put the blame on the person in charge of it but I've always felt that wasn't true at least not completely.

Anything ANYTHING at all to deflect blame from themselves as developers that's how gaijin's higher-ups handle criticism, yes I remember Shawn and if many of you don't he used to sit along side the guy who now solely does the Russian streams along side BvvD, his attitude towards players who were making noise about free parts and FPE.  I remember x2 dailys and x5 weekends, I remember the days when I would sit down after work and enjoy myself because the progression was good and the rewards decent compared to some F2P games out at the time.  I've seen how Gaijin changed and I've seen how they the higher-ups treat feedback.

[Pacifica 15,971]

9 hours ago, BrBStoveXploded said:

 

In the end does it really matter?  Whats done has been done.  

 

Remember Steam reviews and all other reviews can be changed.  Something Gaijin seems to not realize at the moment.  All you have to do is do better and those reviews will change.  

 

The Reviews wont change.... thats why it is such destructive behavior.... ask the hardcore haters, and they will say they will never change their review.... why do you think so many are on the band wagon ? its not for a honest review, have you read the ones full of hatred ? those wont change ever...

 

so dont kid your self, even if you and other honest ones that will change their review back, the hardcore haters will never change it.... and they will just get other like minded haters to flock to the game just to leave hateful reviews just because they can

 

It is one reason why I hate reviews for games, because reviews can and will always be exploited... and I always think it is a bad idea.... anything that you can exploit is a very bad idea...

 

you see, on the net you can do whatever the hell you want without any responsibility... and I have seen a number of very good games go up in flames just because Haters gonna Hate.....  

[Ustioo 85]

If War thunder decided to leave steam. then that's it for me. this time for good. can't stand having ACES.exe running on the background.

 

 

funny because i was just about to buy premium account to unlock Soviet T series tank after i decided to play again in like years. 

Edited May 23, 2023 by Ustioo

[Pacifica 15,971]

1 minute ago, Ustioo said:

If War thunder decided to leave steam. then that's it for me. this time for good. can't stand hacing ACES.exe running on the background.

 

 

funny because i was just about to buy premium account to unlock Soviet T series tank after i decided to play again in like years. 

 

It is not hacking and you can turn it off

[Crazed_Otter 67]

Just now, Pacifica said:

 

The Reviews wont change.... thats why it is such destructive behavior.... ask the hardcore haters, and they will say they will never change their review.... why do you think so many are on the band wagon ? its not for a honest review, have you read the ones full of hatred ? those wont change ever...

 

so dont kid your self, even if you and other honest ones that will change their review back, the hardcore haters will never change it.... and they will just get other like minded haters to flock to the game just to leave hateful reviews just because they can

 

It is one reason why I hate reviews for games, because reviews can and will always be exploited... and I always think it is a bad idea.... anything that you can exploit is a very bad idea...

 

you see, on the net you can do whatever the hell you want without any responsibility... and I have seen a number of very good games go up in flames just because Haters gonna Hate.....  

 

Mr Moderator, but in a brief paragraph you have handily described why War Thunder is in the dire straights it is in.

 

Bad reviews are not the sole preserve of 'the haters'. Presuming that negative feedback is just a bandwagon to be jumped on is shortsighted and shows an almost casual disregard for customers. It leads to the idea that any and all negative comments are without merit - only good reviews are passed on to bosses upstairs. THAT is what will kill a game very quickly. THAT is what removes the interactions between community and devs. The attitude 'haters gonna hate, don't listen to them' is a major symptom of something very wrong with how Gaijin and it's representatives view the players. Is this company policy? @Smin1080p

 

Feel free to remove this comment - yet in so doing you will illustrate why people are using Steam ('Haters' or otherwise) rather than the forums. The harder you make it for people to express themselves on your platform - the greater the likelihood they'll find another means to do so on another platform. Like Steam.

 

 

[GloBlue 94]

moderators can delete messages all they want, we won't shut up until gaijin reacts, is this too complicated to understand?

[Prophet1313 236]

14 minutes ago, Pacifica said:

 

The Reviews wont change.... thats why it is such destructive behavior.... ask the hardcore haters, and they will say they will never change their review.... why do you think so many are on the band wagon ? its not for a honest review, have you read the ones full of hatred ? those wont change ever...

 

so dont kid your self, even if you and other honest ones that will change their review back, the hardcore haters will never change it.... and they will just get other like minded haters to flock to the game just to leave hateful reviews just because they can

 

It is one reason why I hate reviews for games, because reviews can and will always be exploited... and I always think it is a bad idea.... anything that you can exploit is a very bad idea...

 

you see, on the net you can do whatever the hell you want without any responsibility... and I have seen a number of very good games go up in flames just because Haters gonna Hate.....  

I will delete my review after we get a concrete timeline and list of changes and will be more than happy to change it to positive the instant they are implemented. I think you'll see that most of the players will do the same. I don't hate war thunder, I wouldn't have sank 6000 hours over 10 years into it if I hated it. I love the game and this is why I feel we all need to do something to fix it, otherwise its going to die one way or another