sub-tree Republic of Korea Sub-tree: 강한친구 대한민국 육군

[SaabGripen 642]

10 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

I completely disagree. While it is a Leopard vehicle and yes it falls into that family, many of the Polish players do NOT like any idea of association with Germany. I would know as in my previous suggestions and PM’s, I’ve discussed this and no matter which direction the discussion went, it ended up in the same result. 
 

Again, I can state how I feel on the matter, but in the end the poll is there and most lean on Japan anyway if a United Korea Tree isn’t implemented.

 Whether Poles love the Germans or not, the Leopard 2PL is clearly a Leopard 2 family. As Moderna is in the USSR TT. By the way, do Korean and Japanese vehicles have this technical relationship?

 

You claimed an " apolitical standpoint " for this suggestion. But why give a political perspective to the discussion of technological relevance? It's a double standard.

[Yontzee 1,676]

Just now, SaabGripen said:

 Whether Poles love the Germans or not, the Leopard 2PL is clearly a Leopard 2 family. As Moderna is in the USSR TT. By the way, do Korean and Japanese vehicles have this technical relationship?

 

You claimed an " apolitical standpoint " for this suggestion. But why give a political perspective to the discussion of technological relevance? It's a double standard.

Incorrect, I claimed it for the suggestion itself. I’m not going to be bias in the suggestion to influence anything but this is the commentary section. 
 

I get where you’re trying to go with this but I’ve already dealt with this before. While the Leopard 2PL is a German originated vehicle, it’s used solely by the Polish military as one of its main battle tanks. 

[SaabGripen 642]

On 5/30/2023 at 8:03 AM, Yontzee said:

 Republic of Korea Sub-tree: 강한친구 대한민국 육군

Translation: "A Strong Friend, Republic of Korea Army"

K2 Black Panther's during an exercise.

 

Disclaimer : Working on correcting information as a lot of sources were contradicting each other so I kept the descriptions very basic. If you have corrections, please share them in the comments and I will fix it 

Japan Reference Tree:

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USA Reference Tree:

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Note: Vehicle tree's can exceed more than 5 vehicles per Rank as seen in the Israel Tree which has 6 Magach's without being foldered.

 

Tech Tree Notes:

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• This tree utilizes the Japanese Ground Forces Tech Tree as the primary reference. The only other option would be the USA Ground Forces tree due to the Republic of Korea utilizing USA-made vehicles as well as some of its modern vehicles being influenced by US designs.
  • This sub-tree can also be applied to nations not in-game yet.
  • I used the Japanese Ground Forces Tech Tree because I could significantly add more vehicles. 
  • I do have a (highly modified) ROK sub-tree for the USA Ground Forces Tree created from my Experiment post found here that is posted as well:

• I added more modern Japanese vehicles to the tree to fill out the higher-ranks. I did not add all of them yet, however, they can be added/are potential options.
• Same goes for the USA, plenty of other options for American vehicles to be added like the LAV-ATM, etc., which limits the space for the ROK Sub-tree. 
  • Of note, Rank I-IV for the USA tree are unmodified and therefore not shown in the tree above. The ROK utilized many vehicles throughout the USA tree that can be reskinned to ROK camouflage schemes.
  • USA Battle Ratings and Ranks have been expanded to prevent saturation. 
• Vehicles are fluid and can be added or removed as necessary .
• Special thanks to @spamanator500for their United Korea Tech Tree!
• Please do not include political-talk in the commentary section . This is just to find a way to add the ROK in the game if it isn't combined with North Korea in a unitary Korea tree such as the suggestion by Spamanator500 below:

• Additional note regarding Russian vehicles in the tree:

  • The ROKA operates 33x T-80U's (not the T-80UM version with thermals like the one in-game), 2x T-80UK's, and 40x BMP-3's so it's not voodoo if they're implemented at least into the Japanese Ground Forces tree since they lack a lot of premiums/Squadron vehicles. If they're needed, they can also be moved as event vehicles.

A Republic of Korea Army T-80U main battle tank and BMP-3 Infantry Fighting Vehicle in-service.

• Vehicles that are already in-game that I will not post additional information on :

  • M8 Greyhound

  • M10 GMC

  • Cromwell V

  • M26 Pershing

  • M56 Scorpion

    • Side note, they were in storage but not used.

  • M46 Patton

  • M47 Patton

  • M48A2C

  • BMP-3 (Premium)

  • T-80U (Premium)

  • T-80UK (Squadron)

 

 

 

Description and Decals :

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• The Republic of Korea Army (ROKA) is the land component of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Korea (ROK). The ROKA is one of the largest standing armies in the world and has played a crucial role in the defense of South Korea since its creation in 1948. The ROKA has a rich history that dates back to the Korean War (1950-1953), when it fought alongside the United States and other United Nations forces to repel the invasion of South Korea by North Korea. During the war, the ROKA proved its capabilities as a fighting force, and its soldiers played a critical role in securing important victories against the North Korean Army. Following the Korean War, the ROKA underwent a period of modernization and expansion. It received substantial military aid from the United States, which helped it to build a modern and well-equipped force capable of defending South Korea from any potential threats. Today, the ROKA is one of the most advanced and capable armies in Asia, with a wide range of modern weapons and equipment. The Republic of Korea's defense industry has seen substantial modernization, developing new and highly advanced vehicles and equipment such as the K2 Black Panther, and the KF-21, both of which have and have seen potential export orders. The ROKA's primary mission is to defend South Korea from any potential threats, including North Korea. It is also responsible for providing support to civil authorities during times of natural disasters or other emergencies. The ROKA is organized into several major commands, including the Capital Defense Command, the First Army Command, the Second Operational Command, and the Third Army Command. The ROKA has played a key role in maintaining stability and security on the Korean Peninsula, particularly in the face of North Korea's continued nuclear and missile development programs. In recent years, the ROKA has focused on enhancing its capabilities in areas such as cyber warfare, special operations, and missile defense, in order to better counter North Korea's evolving threats. In addition to its domestic responsibilities, the ROKA also participates in international peacekeeping and humanitarian operations. It has contributed troops to various United Nations peacekeeping missions, such as in Lebanon, Sudan, and South Sudan, as well as to coalition operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The ROKA is known for its rigorous training and discipline, with soldiers undergoing an extensive period of basic training before being assigned to their units. The ROKA also places a strong emphasis on physical fitness, and its soldiers are required to maintain a high level of physical readiness throughout their careers. One of the challenges facing the ROKA is the ongoing need to balance its defense needs with the desire for peaceful relations with North Korea. The ROKA is committed to maintaining a strong defense posture, but also recognizes the importance of dialogue and engagement with North Korea to reduce tensions on the peninsula. Overall, the Republic of Korea Army is a highly capable and professional force that plays a critical role in the defense of South Korea and the maintenance of regional stability. With its modern weapons and equipment, rigorous training and discipline, and commitment to its mission, the ROKA is well-positioned to continue to meet the challenges and threats that it may face in the years ahead.

• Different units of the Republic of Korea Army:

 

Editor's Comments/Reasoning:

• My main reason for creating this tree is the same of my Polish Sub-tree (and my others which can be found below). It's to find a way to add these nations in the game IF Gaijin (not myself) deems the nations as not having a sufficient amount of vehicles to create an independent tree even though there's very well made community options for both an Independent Unified Korea Tree and Polish Independent Tree (or options like the very nicely made Visegrád Group Tree). I tried my best to provide additional alternatives in the case that these nations are put on the back burner even though they have their own significant capabilities and uniqueness. I'm a very strong proponent for not splitting individual nation's vehicles amongst many trees as that hurts those nation's players and want to offer the best experience I can for them if the option of a full tree does not work for developers. So please, feel free to criticize the sub-tree's so I can further enhance them for players needs and wants but  don't hate because of political standpoint or related points, my focus is an apolitical standpoint similar to Gaijin . I made these trees in terms of trying to find the best place for them in the current in-game situation and to help nations that need it due to a lack of overall vehicles. This does not mean these sub-trees cannot be applied to future nations that have not made it to the game yet. If you have additional options, feedback, or want to contact me personally for additional inquiry, feel free. Thanks!
• All of my Sub-tree Suggestions:
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Ground Vehicles:

K263A1/K263A3

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A K263A1 self-propelled anti-aircraft gun.

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  • The K263A1 and K263A3 anti-aircraft vehicles are South Korean variants of the American M163 VADS (Vulcan Air Defense System), which was built on the M113 armored personnel carrier. The South Korean version, however, utilizes the K200 chassis. The K263A1 and K263A3 are both self-propelled anti-aircraft gun systems that are designed to defend against low-flying aircraft and helicopters. The vehicles are equipped with a six-barrel M61 Vulcan 20mm rotary cannon, which is capable of firing up to 3,000 rounds per minute. The cannon is mounted on a turret that can rotate 360 degrees and elevate up to 85 degrees, providing a wide range of coverage. The K263A1 and K263A3 are both operated by a crew of four, including a driver, gunner, and two ammunition handlers. The vehicles are also equipped with advanced fire control systems, including radar and electro-optical sensors, to help track and engage targets with the A3 version having further upgrades. The K263's will be receiving a new thermal imager, replacing the existing AN/TVS-5 IR sight. 6x smoke grenade launchers have been added to provide additional countermeasures. Overall, the K263A1 and K263A3 anti-aircraft vehicles are important components of South Korea's air defense capabilities, providing rapid response and mobile firepower to protect against airborne threats. Additional note, all K163's have been upgraded to a minimum of the K263A1 modification.

M48A3K

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An M48A3K during an exercise.

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  • The M48A3K is a South Korean variant of the American M48 Patton main battle tank, which was originally developed in the 1950s. The M48A3K features a number of upgrades and modifications that were made to improve the tank's combat capabilities and to better suit the needs of the South Korean military. The tank is also equipped with a 90mm main gun and a range of secondary weapons, including a coaxial machine gun and a turret-mounted machine gun. The M48A3K also features an advanced fire control system dubbed the Laser Tank Fire Control System, or LTFCS, including a laser rangefinder which helps improve accuracy and fire solution capabilities. Overall, the M48A3K has been an important part of South Korea's armored forces since its introduction in the 1970s, and it has been used in a number of conflicts and peacekeeping missions around the world. While the tank is now outdated compared to more modern designs, it remains a capable and reliable platform for a variety of military operations.

M48A5K1/M48A5K2

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M48A5K1 on display featuring new electronics, countermeasures, and side-skirts.

The M48A5K2 main battle tank.

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  • The M48A5K1 and M48A5K2 are South Korean variants of the American M48 Patton main battle tank, which underwent significant upgrades and modifications to improve its combat capabilities. The tanks feature an upgraded 105mm main gun, improved fire control systems, and enhanced armor protection. Both tanks are powered by a 750-horsepower Continental diesel engine, which provides improved mobility and speed compared to earlier models. It also features a range of secondary weapons, including a coaxial machine gun and a turret-mounted machine gun. The tank is equipped with an advanced digital fire control system including a laser rangefinder, and ballistic computer, which provide improved accuracy and targeting capabilities. The M48A5K1 and M48A5K2 features a new crosswind sensor and side skirts. Overall, both tanks have been an important part of South Korea's armored forces since its introduction in the 1980s. While it is now outdated compared to more modern tanks, it remains a capable and reliable platform for a variety of military operations and has been used in a number of conflicts and peacekeeping missions around the world.

  • The only major difference between the two tanks is the M48A5K2 utilizes the low-profile Urdan Commander's cupola developed by Israel. The new cupola utilizes an M60 machine gun.

Sky Tiger K30W

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The Sky Tiger K30W during testing.

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  • The Sky Tiger K30W, sometimes referred to as the KW2AA, is a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun system developed by Hyundai Rotem for the South Korean military. The system is based on an 8x8 wheeled chassis, which provides improved mobility and speed compared to tracked vehicles. The Sky Tiger K30W is armed with two KKCB 30mm automatic cannons to increase probability of first hit against aircraft and low flying helicopters/drones. The cannons are mounted in a fully-stabilized turret, which provides improved accuracy and targeting capabilities. The system also features advanced fire control systems, including radar and electro-optical sensors with new thermal imagers, which allow it to effectively track and engage targets. The Sky Tiger K30W has a crew of three, including a driver, gunner, and commander. The vehicle is powered by a diesel engine, which provides exceptional mobility and speed. It is also equipped with advanced communications equipment and smoke launchers that can deploy a defensive smoke screen to confuse enemy sensors. Overall, the Sky Tiger K30W is a highly capable and mobile air defense system that can provide important protection for ground forces against airborne threats. It was accepted into service with the Republic of Korea Army and supplements the K30 Biho, a tracked SPAA with anti-aircraft missile capability. The Sky Tiger K30W will likely replace the K163-series of SPAAG over-time.

KW1 Scorpion FSV

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The KW1 FSV during vehicle trials.

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  • The KW1 Scorpion FSV is a prototype 6x6 armored vehicle developed by the South Korean defense company, Hyundai Rotem. The vehicle is designed to provide mobile firepower and support for ground troops in a variety of combat scenarios. The KW1 FSV is armed with a Cockerill 90mm low-pressure gun, which is capable of firing a range of ammunition types, including armor-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabots, and high explosive rounds. The gun is mounted in a fully-stabilized turret, which provides improved accuracy and targeting capabilities. In addition to its main gun, the KW1 Scorpion is also equipped with a 7.62mm machine gun and 16x smoke grenade launchers for defensive purposes. The vehicle has a crew of three, including a driver, gunner, and commander. The Gunner is equipped with a thermal imager while the Commander and Driver utilize IR Passive imagers. The KW1 Scorpion has a top speed of around 100 km/h and can operate in a variety of terrains, including desert and mountainous regions. Overall, the KW1 Scorpion FSV is a versatile and capable armored vehicle that provides important mobile firepower and support for ground troops in a variety of combat scenarios.

PV-1/PV-2 (Premium)

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The PV-1, part of the ROKIT (Republic of Korea Indigenous Tank) program.

The PV-2, part of the ROKIT (Republic of Korea Indigenous Tank) program.

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  • The PV-1 and PV-2 were two prototype tanks developed by the South Korean company Hyundai Precision (now Hyundai Rotem) in the early 1980s as part of the K1 88-Tank development program. The PV-1 was designed to be a light tank with a weight of around 20 tons, while the PV-2 was a slightly heavier tank weighing around 30 tons. Both tanks were armed with a 105mm rifled gun and had a crew of four, including a driver, gunner, loader, and commander. They also featured advanced fire control systems, including a laser rangefinder and a computerized fire control system. Both had their own issues ranging from engine fires, fire control issues, starting problems, etc. The PV-1 and PV-2 were tested extensively, but ultimately neither design was chosen for production. Instead, the K1 88-Tank was developed based on the design of the American M1 Abrams tank, which was licensed for production in South Korea. The K1 88-Tank entered service with the South Korean Army in the late 1980s and has since undergone several upgrades to keep it up to date with modern technology.

K21 

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Two K21 IFV's on display with dual AT-1K Raybolt ATGM launchers.

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  • The K21 Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) is a tracked armored vehicle developed for the Republic of Korea Army. The vehicle was designed to provide advanced protection and firepower to infantry troops on the battlefield. The K21 IFV is armed with a KNT 40mm automatic cannon, which is mounted in a fully-stabilized turret, and a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun. The cannon is capable of firing a range of ammunition, including high-explosive and armor-piercing rounds. The IFV also has the ability to equip and launch Hyungung anti-tank guided missiles. These are also known as AT-1K Raybolt. The K21 IFV has a crew of three, including a driver, gunner, and commander, and can transport up to nine infantry soldiers. The vehicle is powered by a 750hp D2840LXE diesel engine, which provides exceptional mobility and speed on the battlefield. It is also equipped with advanced suspension and steering systems, which allow it to operate effectively in a range of terrains, including desert and mountainous regions. The K21 IFV features advanced armor protection, which is designed to provide excellent protection against a range of threats, including small arms fire, mines, and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). The vehicle also features a range of defensive systems, a series of smoke grenade launchers that can deploy smoke screens and chaff to confuse enemy sensors. The K21 IFV has been in service with the Republic of Korea Army since 2009 and is considered one of the most advanced IFVs in the world. The K21 IFV has undergone several upgrades with a modernization program designating the vehicle as the K21 PIP, and variants, including a command post vehicle, a mortar carrier, and an ambulance, to meet the diverse operational requirements of the Korean military. Overall, the K21 IFV is a highly capable and versatile armored vehicle that provides critical protection and firepower to the infantry forces of the Republic of Korea Army.

K30 Biho

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A K30 Biho in a field.

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  • The K30 Biho is a South Korean self-propelled anti-aircraft gun system developed by Hanwha Defense. The vehicle is based on a tracked chassis and is designed to provide mobile air defense capabilities for ground forces. The K30 Biho is armed with two KKCB 30mm autocannons, which is capable of firing up to 1,200 rounds per minute with each gun housing 300rds. The gun is mounted on a fully-stabilized turret, which provides improved accuracy and targeting capabilities. The vehicle includes a secondary weapon system that is equipped with 4x Shingung Surface-to-Air missiles. The system itself features advanced fire control systems, including the TPS-830K RADAR and EOTS electro-optical sensors with integrated FLIR/Thermal Imager and Laser Rangefinder, which allow it to effectively track and engage targets. The K30 Biho has a crew of three, including a driver, gunner, and commander. The vehicle is powered by a D2840L 520hp diesel engine, which provides exceptional mobility and speed. It is also equipped with advanced communications equipment and smoke grenade launchers to conceal the vehicle as necessary. One of the key features of the K30 Biho is its ability to engage both air and ground targets, able to swap ammunition to meet required needs. The K30 Biho has been in service with the Republic of Korea Army since 1996 and has participated in various military exercises and operations, including joint exercises with the United States and anti-aircraft defense drills in the Republic of Korea. The K30 Biho is widely considered to be one of the most advanced and effective self-propelled anti-aircraft gun systems in the world, and it continues to be a critical component of the South Korean military's air defense capabilities.

AS21 Redback (IF-LD)

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The AS21 equipped with the Iron Fist-Light Decoupled APS.

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  • The AS21 Redback is an advanced Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) developed by the Hanwha Defense. The vehicle was designed to provide the Australian Army with a highly capable and versatile platform for a range of mission types. The AS21 Redback is based on the K21 IFV and features a highly modular design, which allows it to be easily configured for a range of mission types. The vehicle is armed with a 30mm Mk44 Bushmaster II automatic cannon and a 7.62mm coaxial machine gun, which are both mounted in a fully-stabilized turret. The cannon is capable of firing a range of ammunition, including armor-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabots and high-explosive rounds. The vehicle can also equip a Spike-ATGM launcher, capable of housing 2x missiles. The AS21 Redback has a crew of three, including a driver, gunner, and commander, and can transport up to nine infantry soldiers. The vehicle is powered by a diesel engine, which provides exceptional mobility and speed on the battlefield. It is also equipped with advanced suspension and steering systems, which allow it to operate effectively in a range of terrains, including desert and mountainous regions. The AS21 Redback features advanced armor protection, which is designed to provide excellent protection against a range of threats, including small arms fire, mines, and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). The vehicle also features a range of defensive systems, including a laser warning system from Elbit System's, smoke grenade launchers, and Iron Fist-Light Decoupled (IF-LD) that can destroy incoming anti-tank guided missiles and some APFSDS-T rounds. One of the key features of the AS21 Redback is its advanced digital network, which allows the vehicle to share real-time situational awareness data with other vehicles and units on the battlefield. This capability enhances the vehicle's ability to operate effectively as part of a larger combat force. The AS21 Redback is also equipped with state-of-the-art communication systems, which allow the crew to maintain contact with other units and receive real-time updates on the battlefield situation. The AS21 Redback was selected by the Australian Army in 2018 to replace the aging M113 armored personnel carriers. The vehicle is currently in the testing and evaluation phase, and if successful, it will enter service in the mid-2020s. Other nations interested include Poland and Romania. Overall, the AS21 Redback is a highly capable and versatile Infantry Fighting Vehicle that provides advanced protection, firepower, and mobility.

KW2 Jupiter

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The Rotem KW2 Jupiter on display.

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  • The Rotem KW2 Jupiter is a Fire Support Vehicle developed by Rotem which is a subsidiary of the automotive company Hyundai. The KW2 Jupiter is a variant of the Rotem KW2 8x8 vehicles designed for infantry support in the South Korean Army. Not much is known of the KW2 Jupiter other than its designed to be a mobile assault gun capable of supporting infantry and in rare cases against main battle tanks. The KW2 Jupiter features an autoloaded 120mm main gun capable of firing all standard NATO rounds. It also is equipped with Thermal Imagers for the Gunner/Commander. The hull itself is designed to protect infantry up to 12.7mm caliber weapons with the option of addon armor to protect it against heavier fire. The KW2 Jupiter features a standard layout of Mobile Gun Systems, with the engine and Driver in the front with the commander and gunner towards the center-rear. It is unknown what type of electronics the vehicle has, however it can be determined the Driver has some access to thermal imagery with the use of the rear camera as well as an APS system. Currently the KW2 Jupiter is not in service with any country. 

K21-105 (Premium)/K21 XC-8 120

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The K21-105 during drills

The K-21 XC-8 120 light tank on display.

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  • The K21 XC-8 120 is a modified K-21 Infantry Fighting Vehicle developed by CMI Defence and Doosan DST. The program was designed to convert the K21 into a light tank by utilizing a series of different turrets housing different guns. The first program focused on incorporating a XC-8 turret housing 120mm main gun which was first displayed at an IDEX exhibition in Abu Dhabi in 2013. This vehicle was equipped with thermal imaging technology for the Gunner and Commander allowing for enhanced situational awareness. The main gun was also capable of firing all NATO standard ammunition, allowing for easy interoperability between nations keeping to NATO standards. The vehicle was not adopted by any military however, another variant was created. This alternative was developed that incorporates a lighter, more cost effective Cockerill CT-CV 105HP turret housing a 105mm main gun. This vehicle incorporates the latest advances in fire control, thermal technology and battlefield communications allowing for effective operations. The vehicle also still houses the K21's flotation bags allowing the vehicle to cross water obstacles. Neither vehicle has been accepted into service and are focused on export. In all, while the K21 XC-8 120 brings to the battlefield more firepower, the K21-105 brings in more advancements in hardware to further increase situational awareness.

K31 Chumna

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The K31 firing one of its missiles.

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  • The K31, or K-31, Cheonma(Pegasus), Chumna, K-SAM, is a Short Range Air Defense System that features the French Designed Crotale system mounted on a modified/elongated K200A1 KIFV. Named after the legendary Sky Horse, or thousand-mile horse of Korean mythology that was deemed to swift and elegant for any man to mount, the K31 began development in the late 1990's with South Korea realized the need to increase its air defense capabilities against its Northern neighbor. The result was the development of the K31 Chunma and the K30 Biho, which are two separate programs designed to meet air defense needs. The K31 features a launcher similar to the Crotale-NG system, able to launch the Cheonma missile, developed by LIG Nexone, which is capable of reaching supersonic capable of mach 2.6-2.7, as well as several electronics and RADAR's such as the 20km K/F-Band Doppler Search RADAR and the 16km Ku-band Tracking RADAR that allow the K31 to track up to 8 targets simultaneously. Some sources claim it uses FLIR with a detection range of 15km and a TV camera with an IR goniometer for a range of 10km. The K31 is still used by the South Korean military and continues to be a cornerstone in Short Range Air Defense.

K1

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A K1 main battle tank.

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  • The K1 is a South Korean main battle tank that was first introduced in 1987. The vehicle was designed in coordination with the United States to replace the aging M48 Patton tanks in service with the ROKA at the time. As seen with the design, the vehicle shares similarities to the Abrams, however the Korean military included modifications which greatly differ from the Abrams. The original version of the K1 was armed with a KM68A1 105mm rifled gun, which was capable of firing a range of ammunition, including armor-piercing and high explosive rounds. The tank also featured a 7.62mm machine gun mounted on the roof of the turret for additional support. The K1 had a crew of four, including a driver, gunner, loader, and commander. The vehicle was powered by a diesel engine, which provided exceptional mobility and speed on the battlefield. It was also equipped with advanced suspension systems, which allowed it to operate effectively in a range of terrains, including desert and mountainous regions. The K1 featured advanced armor protection, which was designed to provide excellent protection against a range of threats, including small arms fire to modern anti-tank munitions. During its service life, the K1 underwent several upgrades and variants, including the K1A1 and K1A2, which featured improved armor protection, upgraded fire control systems, and improved powertrain. These upgrades helped the K1 remain a viable and capable main battle tank well into the 21st century. Overall, the original version of the K1 main battle tank was a highly capable and advanced armored vehicle that provided critical protection and firepower to the South Korean military. Its success paved the way for the development of other advanced South Korean armored vehicles, such as the K2 Black Panther, which is widely regarded as one of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world.

K1E1/K1E2 (Premium)

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A K1E1 main battle tank maneuvering.

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  • The K1E1 is an upgraded version of the K1 main battle tank developed by the South Korean company Hyundai Rotem. The vehicle was designed to improve upon the original K1's capabilities in terms of firepower, protection, and mobility. The K1E1 retains the original gun and most of the same equipment, however, the K1E1 focuses on battlefield integrations. The primary focus of this upgrade was in C4I, or adding a Battlefield Management system. This allows tank brigades to maintain battlefield situational awareness and communications between multiple units. The K1E1 also includes an IFF system to assist in preventing friendly fire. Deliveries began in 2014, with all K1's planned to be upgraded by the mid-2020's. Another upgrade is currently being developed known as the K1E2 which includes a variety of enhancements such as Laser Warning System technology and more. As more information is released on the K1E2, the post will be updated.

K1A1

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The K1A1 during exercises.

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  • The K1A1 is an upgraded version of the K1 main battle tank that was developed by the Republic of Korea in the 1990s. The vehicle was designed to improve upon the original K1's capabilities in terms of firepower, protection, and mobility. The K1A1 features several upgrades over the original K1, including a new KM256 120mm smoothbore gun, which is capable of firing a wider range of ammunition than the original 105mm rifled gun. The tank also features an upgraded fire control system, which includes a thermal imaging sight and a laser rangefinder, allowing for improved targeting capabilities. The K1A1 has a crew of four, including a driver, gunner, loader, and commander. The vehicle is powered by a MTU MB 871 Ka-501 turbocharged diesel engine, which provides exceptional mobility and speed on the battlefield. It is also equipped with advanced suspension and steering systems, which allow it to operate effectively in a range of terrains, including desert and mountainous regions. The K1A1 features advanced armor protection, which includes composite armor inserts which provide protection against modern anti-tank rounds. The vehicle is also equipped with two smoke grenade launchers for concealment.  In addition to these upgrades, the K1A1 also features an improved hybrid hydropneumatic and torsion bar suspension, allowing the vehicle to change its ground clearance. The K1A1 has been in service with the ROK military since 1999 and has participated in various military exercises and operations, including peacekeeping missions in Lebanon and anti-piracy operations off the coast of Somalia. The tank has also been exported to several countries, including Turkey and Poland.

K1A2

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A K1A2 on display.

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  • The K1A2 is one of the latest versions of the K1 main battle tank developed by the Republic of Korea. The vehicle was designed to further improve the capabilities of the K1A1 in terms of communication and operability. Equipped with similar equipment and capabilities, the K1A2 focuses on improving Battlefield Situational Awareness and C4I though Battlefield Management System. Other addition is the use of IFF system's to assist in preventing friendly fire. The K1A2 started mass production in 2012, with all K1A1's expected to be upgraded to the K1A2 standard. The K1A2 is also equipped with a soft-kill APS system located directly above the main gun.

XK-2

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Prototype XK-2.

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  • The XK-2 was a prototype of the K2 Black Panther, a main battle tank developed by Hyundai Rotem. The XK-2 was designed to test and demonstrate the advanced technologies and capabilities that would later be incorporated into the K2 Black Panther. The XK-2 featured several key upgrades over the K1A1 and K1A2, including an improved 120mm smoothbore gun, which was capable of firing a wider range and more powerful selection of ammunition. The tank also featured an advanced fire control system, which included a second-generation thermal imaging sight and a laser rangefinder, allowing for improved targeting capabilities. In addition to these upgrades, the XK-2 also featured an advanced digital network, which allowed the vehicle to share real-time situational awareness data with other vehicles and units on the battlefield. The tank was also equipped with a range of modern communication systems, which allowed the crew to maintain contact with other units and receive real-time updates on the battlefield situation. The XK-2 prototype underwent extensive testing and evaluation in the early 2000s, and the technologies and capabilities demonstrated in the vehicle were later incorporated into the K2 Black Panther, which entered service with the South Korean military in 2014. The K2 Black Panther is widely regarded as one of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world, with superior firepower, protection, and mobility capabilities.

K2 Black Panther

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The K2 Black Panther in all its might on display.

• Description: 

  • The K2 Black Panther is a Republic of Korea main battle tank developed by Hyundai Rotem. The vehicle was designed to replace the aging M48 Patton and M60A1 main battle tanks in service with the ROKA. The K2 Black Panther features several key upgrades over previous ROKA main battle tanks, including an advanced 120mm smoothbore gun, which is capable of firing a wider range of ammunition, including new developments like the K279 APFSDS-T round, the K280 HEAT-MP-T multi-purpose round, and a guided missile developed specifically for the K2 Black Panther, the Korean Smart Top-Attack Munition (KSTAM). The KSTAM is a fire and forget (with manual guidance capability), top attack missile capable of traveling out to 8km. The missile is fired from the gun like any round and automatically tracks the target before releasing an explosively formed penetrator into the top armor. The tank also features an advanced fire control system, which includes a third-generation thermal imaging sight and a laser rangefinder, allowing for improved targeting capabilities. The K2 Black Panther has a crew of three, including a driver, gunner, and commander. The vehicle is powered by a diesel engine, which provides exceptional mobility and speed on the battlefield. The K2 Black Panther features advanced armor protection, which includes composite armor and explosive reactive armor (ERA), designed to provide excellent protection against a range of threats, including small arms fire, mines, and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). The vehicle also features a range of defensive systems, including a laser warning system, a smoke grenade launcher, and a countermeasure system that can deploy smoke screens and chaff to confuse enemy sensors. In addition to these upgrades, the K2 Black Panther also features an advanced digital network, which allows the vehicle to share real-time situational awareness data with other vehicles and units on the battlefield. The tank is also equipped with a range of modern communication systems, which allow the crew to maintain contact with other units and receive real-time updates on the battlefield situation. The K2 Black Panther is also equipped with an active protection system (APS) called KAPS, or Korean Active Protection System, which uses sensors and countermeasures to detect and neutralize incoming threats, such as anti-tank missiles and rockets. The APS provides an additional layer of defense for the vehicle and its crew. The K2 Black Panther entered service with the South Korean military in 2014 and has since participated in various military exercises and operations. The tank or its technology has also been exported to several countries, including Turkey and Poland. Overall, the K2 Black Panther is widely regarded as one of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world, with superior firepower, protection, and mobility capabilities. Its advanced technologies and capabilities make it a formidable force on the battlefield, and its success has helped establish South Korea as a major player in the global arms market.

 

 

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Thanks for the Visit!

ROKA never operated the T-80UK.

 

On 6/16/2023 at 7:42 PM, warner7 said:

+1 to the vehicles implemented in some way. Maybe a sub tree of China tt? USA is already strong enough and the historic context between Japan and South Korea is a bit rough.

South Korea's bad relationship with Japan does not mean in a binary sense that it has good relations with China instead.

 

On 6/16/2023 at 11:44 PM, Rambolf said:

Tbh at the end of the day its probs easier to have a United Korea Tree to appease everyone.

(Also heres an Image of the K21 PIP I believe)

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This is the Prototype No.1(시제 1호), not Product Improvement Program applied vehicle.

[Yontzee 1,676]

3 minutes ago, SaabGripen said:

ROKA never operated the T-80UK.

I thought two were delivered with the rest?  It’s fine if they don’t. I’ve been trying to find images of it with no luck but sources claim they had received 2.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Yontzee

[SaabGripen 642]

15 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

Incorrect, I claimed it for the suggestion itself. I’m not going to be bias in the suggestion to influence anything but this is the commentary section. 
 

I get where you’re trying to go with this but I’ve already dealt with this before. While the Leopard 2PL is a German originated vehicle, it’s used solely by the Polish military as one of its main battle tanks. 

Don't you understand that the 2PL was added to the German TT because it has technical relevance?

In this case, it doesn't matter whether Poles like Germans or not. At least by the " apolitical standpoint " you said.

 

13 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

I thought two were delivered with the rest? 

No, the T-80UK has never been operated or owned by South Korea. The same goes for the M10, M26 and Cromwell.

The PV-1's turret is a mockup. Because the PV-1 was a driving test vehicle.

Many of the English sources mentioning the two Koreas are often erroneous, leading mostly to circular sources. For example, SIPRI, IISS and Globalsecurity's claim that South Korea has the M18 is a well-known ridicule among Koreans.

Edited June 18, 2023 by SaabGripen

[Yontzee 1,676]

7 hours ago, SaabGripen said:

Don't you understand that the 2PL was added to the German TT because it has technical relevance?

In this case, it doesn't matter whether Poles like Germans or not. At least by the " apolitical standpoint " you said.

 

No, the T-80UK has never been operated or owned by South Korea. The same goes for the M10, M26 and Cromwell.

The PV-1's turret is a mockup. Because the PV-1 was a driving test vehicle.

Many of the English sources mentioning the two Koreas are often erroneous, leading mostly to circular sources. For example, SIPRI, IISS and Globalsecurity's claim that South Korea has the M18 is a well-known ridicule among Koreans.

I don’t know what you want me to tell you. I don’t agree. Understand that “technical relevance” doesn’t matter when there’s several different variants of the Leopard they could’ve chosen like the Swiss, Singaporean, etc. versions but they specifically chose the Polish only one. Had it been the only option that’s one thing but there’s several different ones that were available. 
 

I maintain “Gaijin’s” apolitical view, not my own in making the suggestion because I don’t want to influence others on how I feel about it and I’m trying to match the game’s views. The point is the suggestion itself being unbiased. Once the suggestion is made and a poll is created, it doesn’t matter about being apolitical and I can state my opinion piece in the commentary section just like the everyone else, equally.

Anyways thanks for clarifying on the vehicles. Many of the sources contradict one another so it makes things a bit annoying because some of them will start referencing a whole different vehicle. I’ll have to go through and double check again.

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by Yontzee

[Yontzee 1,676]

4 minutes ago, __Fleks__ said:

I agree with another person about the T-80UK, it has never been in South Korea, only the T-80U

That’s fine I’ll remove it. Just bad sources on my part.

[YUi_Takamura 662]

Very good suggestion! Can't wait Korea and Japen TT combine in one day!

[SaabGripen 642]

1 hour ago, Yontzee said:

I don’t know what you want me to tell you. I don’t agree. Understand that “technical relevance” doesn’t matter when there’s several different variants of the Leopard they could’ve chosen like the Swiss, Singaporean, etc. versions but they specifically chose the Polish only one. Had it been the only option that’s one thing but there’s several different ones that were available. 
 

I maintain “Gaijin’s” apolitical view, not my own in making the suggestion because I don’t want to influence others on how I feel about it and I’m trying to match the game’s views. The point is the suggestion itself being unbiased. Once the suggestion is made and a poll is created, it doesn’t matter about being apolitical and I can state my opinion piece in the commentary section just like the everyone else, equally.

Anyways thanks for clarifying on the vehicles. Many of the sources contradict one another so it makes things a bit annoying because some of them will start referencing a whole different vehicle. I’ll have to go through and double check again.

 

I'm still talking about technical connections, I'm not talking about the relationship between Poland and Germany. The relationship between Poland and Germany is what you brought.

2PL is not the only option for Germany. But what does that mean in the end? Obviously 2PL is one of the Leopard 2 family, and has technical ties to it. It was even better that it wasn't 2A4's CnP. It is implemented in TT because of its technical relevance, and there is no room for a "political standpoint" to intervene. Moderna in the Czech Republic is a case in point. (Should I mention what the Moderna is based on?)

If the K1 or K2 were built on Japanese technology then your logic is correct. Do you believe so?

[Yontzee 1,676]

1 hour ago, SaabGripen said:

I'm still talking about technical connections, I'm not talking about the relationship between Poland and Germany. The relationship between Poland and Germany is what you brought.

2PL is not the only option for Germany. But what does that mean in the end? Obviously 2PL is one of the Leopard 2 family, and has technical ties to it. It was even better that it wasn't 2A4's CnP. It is implemented in TT because of its technical relevance, and there is no room for a "political standpoint" to intervene. Moderna in the Czech Republic is a case in point. (Should I mention what the Moderna is based on?)

If the K1 or K2 were built on Japanese technology then your logic is correct. Do you believe so?

If strictly talking about technical connections I can cede on the idea that obviously there is the relationship being a Leopard 2, however I do not agree with your statement that just because it's a Leopard 2 it cannot be used as a reference as well as that being the reason it was added. Just because there's a technical relationship doesn't mean all Leopard's need to go to the German Tree. It may be Gaijin's way of probing for a way to add Poland since the BMP-1/BWP-1, Leopard 2PL, Leopard 2A5, and Leopard 2A4, and now the T-72M1 are all found in the tree all of which Poland uses which knocks out the idea of technical anyway. It's definitely a Gaijin-worthy idea. Which would revolve back to my original point.

 

Edit: It’s Slovakian. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by Yontzee

[SaabGripen 642]

45 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

If strictly talking about technical connections I can cede on the idea that obviously there is the relationship being a Leopard 2, however I do not agree with your statement that just because it's a Leopard 2 it cannot be used as a reference as well as that being the sole reason it was added. Just because there's a technical relationship doesn't mean all Leopard's need to go to the German Tree. It also may be Gaijin's way of probing for a way to add Poland since the BMP-1/BWP-1, Leopard 2PL, Leopard 2A5, and Leopard 2A4, and now the T-72M1 are all found in the tree all of which Poland uses which knocks out the idea of technical anyway. It's definitely a Gaijin-worthy idea. Which would revolve back to my original point.

 

Edit: It’s Slovakian. 

"The Leopard 2 family has technical ties to Germany" and "All Leopard 2s must belong to Germany" are quite different propositions. Same case with T-72M1. Attacking Straw Man will not help solidify your point.

 

On 6/16/2023 at 11:39 PM, Yontzee said:

That's fine. I'm not advocating for a sub-tree for the USA. With the current in-game nations we have, I support it more-so in the USA tree, however I voted "I don't know" because maybe there are better ideas that I'm missing (minus from a full independent tree). I'm just saying that if the ROK had to come as a sub-tree, the most logical sense is within the USA due to many of the vehicle's origins stem from the USA. I'm not sure how people from the ROK would react to their vehicles in the Japan tree, however we do have a Polish Leopard in the German tree so I don't know  

According to your beloved " apolitical standpoint ", the relationship between Germany and Poland is not considered, only the technical relevance of the vehicles. Whatever the relationship between Poland and Germany.

In this case, in order to make your point, you need to use the same logic example, a Korean vehicle that was modified based on a Japanese vehicle, as an example.

If the K1 or K2 were built on Japanese technology then your logic is correct. Do you believe so?

 

48 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

If strictly talking about technical connections I can cede on the idea that obviously there is the relationship being a Leopard 2,

As you agreed.

 

55 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

Edit: It’s Slovakian. 

No one asked it, and it's irrelevant to this discussion. Unless you want to make this topic a "political standpoint".

[野戦ウィッチ憲兵隊 142]

better than that, you can put Korean in the Japanese line but rename it as the Asian line. while in game, the vehicle shall use the correct flag, for example, roc f16 should use the Taiwanese flag, Chinese vehicle using PRC flag to avoid political problems.

[Yontzee 1,676]

14 minutes ago, SaabGripen said:

"The Leopard 2 family has technical ties to Germany" and "All Leopard 2s must belong to Germany" are quite different propositions. Same case with T-72M1. Attacking Straw Man will not help solidify your point.

 

According to your beloved " apolitical standpoint ", the relationship between Germany and Poland is not considered, only the technical relevance of the vehicles. Whatever the relationship between Poland and Germany.

In this case, in order to make your point, you need to use the same logic example, a Korean vehicle that was modified based on a Japanese vehicle, as an example.

If the K1 or K2 were built on Japanese technology then your logic is correct. Do you believe so?

 

As you agreed.

 

No one asked it, and it's irrelevant to this discussion. Unless you want to make this topic a "political standpoint".

No. I essentially said it’s a Leopard 2 that’s the only thing I agreed on, not to that being the reason why it was implemented. 
 

I think this conversation needs to end before it gets out of hand because it’s getting a bit “petty”.  You can message me directly on it.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Yontzee

[SaabGripen 642]

 

4 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

No. I essentially said it’s a Leopard 2 that’s the only thing I agreed on, not to that being the reason why it was implemented. 
 

I think this conversation needs to end before it gets out of hand because it’s getting a bit “petty”.  You can message me directly on it.

Do you block discussions and run away so as not to give up your point when you cannot logically defend your point?

 

On 6/16/2023 at 11:39 PM, Yontzee said:

I'm not sure how people from the ROK would react to their vehicles in the Japan tree, however we do have a Polish Leopard in the German tree so I don't know  

According to your beloved " apolitical standpoint ", the relationship between Germany and Poland is not considered, only the technical relevance of the vehicles. Whatever the relationship between Poland and Germany.

In this case, in order to make your point, you need to use the same logic example, a Korean vehicle that was modified based on a Japanese vehicle, as an example.

If the K1 or K2 were built on Japanese technology then your logic is correct. Do you believe so?

If you have nothing to say, admit that you used the wrong metaphor.

[Yontzee 1,676]

24 minutes ago, SaabGripen said:

 

Do you block discussions and run away so as not to give up your point when you cannot logically defend your point?

 

According to your beloved " apolitical standpoint ", the relationship between Germany and Poland is not considered, only the technical relevance of the vehicles. Whatever the relationship between Poland and Germany.

In this case, in order to make your point, you need to use the same logic example, a Korean vehicle that was modified based on a Japanese vehicle, as an example.

If the K1 or K2 were built on Japanese technology then your logic is correct. Do you believe so?

If you have nothing to say, admit that you used the wrong metaphor.

No I don’t, I said message me directly so we’re not running 20 pages of a stupid argument that keeps going in circles. You want me to admit that the Leopard 2PL was implemented on solely technical relation which I disagree with. It’s not happening. There’s many factors that could’ve influenced the addition of the Leopard 2PL besides it being technical. I keep saying no so I don’t understand why you keep asking the same thing hence going in circles.
 

My apolitical standpoint for the third time(?) is in reference to the creation of the suggestion to prevent my own influence or bias into it.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Yontzee

[SaabGripen 642]

26 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

No I don’t, I said message me directly so we’re not running 20 pages of a stupid argument that keeps going in circles. You want me to admit that the Leopard 2PL was implemented on solely technical relation which I disagree with. It’s not happening. There’s many factors that could’ve influenced the addition of the Leopard 2PL besides it being technical. I keep saying no so I don’t understand why you keep asking the same thing hence going in circles.
 

My apolitical standpoint for the third time(?) is in reference to the creation of the suggestion to prevent my own influence or bias into it.

You are the one who asserted " my focus is an apolitical standpoint similar to Gaijin ". Therefore, in the case of 2PL, I didn't mention the relationship between the two countries, I only found a technical connection.
Following the " apolitical standpoint " you love, the 2PL was added to the German TT as it is part of the Leopard 2 family. Because it's technically the closest one. The relationship between the two countries is not involved in this decision. Sure as the " apolitical standpoint ".
What about Korea? Is there a technical connection? If there is a technical connection, you can argue the logic that whatever the relationship between Korea and Japan, the two countries can be merged into one TT. Do you believe so?

[Yontzee 1,676]

22 minutes ago, SaabGripen said:

You are the one who asserted " my focus is an apolitical standpoint similar to Gaijin ". Therefore, in the case of 2PL, I didn't mention the relationship between the two countries, I only found a technical connection.
Following the " apolitical standpoint " you love, the 2PL was added to the German TT as it is part of the Leopard 2 family. Because it's technically the closest one. The relationship between the two countries is not involved in this decision. Sure as the " apolitical standpoint ".
What about Korea? Is there a technical connection? If there is a technical connection, you can argue the logic that whatever the relationship between Korea and Japan, the two countries can be merged into one TT. Do you believe so?

Again I stated that the apolitical standpoint is in regards to the suggestion itself. The whole reason why I added Japan as an option, to remain unbiased for the suggestion. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat it. It’s not my personal belief on the matter. I’ve said no and said how I felt about it so stop asking me. 

[SaabGripen 642]

6 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

Again I stated that the apolitical standpoint is in regards to the suggestion itself. The whole reason why I added Japan as an option, to remain unbiased for the suggestion. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat it. It’s not my personal belief on the matter. I’ve said no and said how I felt about it so stop asking me. 

What I'm trying to say is NOT whether you wrote this suggestion (how can I hold you accountable that there are such people?), but that 2PL is not a good reference for this topic.

 

On 6/16/2023 at 11:39 PM, Yontzee said:

That's fine. I'm not advocating for a sub-tree for the USA. With the current in-game nations we have, I support it more-so in the USA tree, however I voted "I don't know" because maybe there are better ideas that I'm missing (minus from a full independent tree). I'm just saying that if the ROK had to come as a sub-tree, the most logical sense is within the USA due to many of the vehicle's origins stem from the USA. I'm not sure how people from the ROK would react to their vehicles in the Japan tree, however we do have a Polish Leopard in the German tree so I don't know  

And apparently you are the first to mention 2PL in this thread.

[EL337GH0ST 196]

+1 as US sub tree, as I don't see a reason for Japan to have it in any way, while other countries like Germany, Russia and Britain already have sub tree (despite not needing them).

K1s especially would actually be a good addition at 9.3-10.7 as the US doesn't have many vehicles there and they are basically upgraded XM-1s

[warner7 81]

13 hours ago, SaabGripen said:

South Korea's bad relationship with Japan does not mean in a binary sense that it has good relations with China instead.

But chinese tt needs more bolstering

[Epsilon160 270]

17 minutes ago, EL337GH0ST said:

+1 as US sub tree, as I don't see a reason for Japan to have it in any way, while other countries like Germany, Russia and Britain already have sub tree (despite not needing them).

K1s especially would actually be a good addition at 9.3-10.7 as the US doesn't have many vehicles there and they are basically upgraded XM-1s

Germany and the USSR don't have sub-trees? They have vehicles from associated nations (ex. Austrian/Argentinian), but they don't have a subtree. The USSR's non-USSR vehicles are all event/premium vehicles, and most of them were developed in the USSR and modified elsewhere anyways. The US should not get Korea, it doesn't need Korea and it would just bloat the tree and take attention away from domestic alternatives that they have to every single vehicle Korea would offer. Korea should have a unified North and South tree starting from the Cold War vehicles. Sure the air tree would be some C&P but most minor nations feature mostly C&P jets anyways.

 

8 minutes ago, warner7 said:

But chinese tt needs more bolstering

No it doesn't, it needs more domestic vehicles. Which China has plenty of, they're one of the largest producers and exporters of military equipment in the world.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Epsilon160

[SaabGripen 642]

18 minutes ago, warner7 said:

But chinese tt needs more bolstering

But to do so, it is not necessary to choose a means of merging completely unrelated countries.

[T50B_BlackEagles 31]

28 minutes ago, warner7 said:

But chinese tt needs more bolstering

PRC/ROC can get new modern MBTs like VT-4 which made to export.

[Acroute 175]

 

It seems many players loves ROK Army so much, so I'll give another suggestion here.

 

The suggested subtree is way too short. ROK Army operated a lot of iconic M48 variant just like Israel, so all of them needs to be implemented. I think the whole process of researching all these vehicles will be a valuable opportunity to experience some of South Korea's modern and contemporary history indirectly, and understand Korea's past and present national defense environment. So there is no reason to exclude anything or merge as folder, right?

Edited June 18, 2023 by Acroute

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In the case of modern equipment, Korea is overwhelming, so can we see this as a Japanese tree?

 

Japanese tree users are too greedy