sub-tree Republic of Korea Sub-tree: 강한친구 대한민국 육군

[DLETA_Human_Decoy 101]

4 hours ago, Yontzee said:

Again I stated that the apolitical standpoint is in regards to the suggestion itself. The whole reason why I added Japan as an option, to remain unbiased for the suggestion. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat it. It’s not my personal belief on the matter. I’ve said no and said how I felt about it so stop asking me. 

 

Why should I go to Japan Subtree if there is no technical connection?

Edited June 18, 2023 by DLETA_Human_Decoy

[Epsilon160 270]

main feedback on the tree itself is that there is an absolutely massive number of turreted K200 prototypes, and I think at least a couple should be in any Korean tree.

[Yontzee 1,674]

1 hour ago, DLETA_Human_Decoy said:

 

Why should I go to Japan Subtree if there is no technical connection?

It’s an option because it was requested. 

2 hours ago, Acroute said:

 

It seems many players loves ROK Army so much, so I'll give another suggestion here.

 

The suggested subtree is way too short. ROK Army operated a lot of iconic M48 variant just like Israel, so all of them needs to be implemented. I think the whole process of researching all these vehicles will be a valuable opportunity to experience some of South Korea's modern and contemporary history indirectly, and understand Korea's past and present national defense environment. So there is no reason to exclude anything or merge as folder, right?

Yeah I can definitely add more. I appreciate the feedback  

[GildyMenn21 285]

Honest Question though. 

Why aren’t France or Germany an option (even Britain) but Japan is? Like how i previously stated that South Korea has bought some vehicles from these nations and also cooperated with these nations in their own domestic developments yet they aren’t an option. 
 

However it looks like its acceptable for Japan to receive random country then i can also assume that this can be done for every other nation right (adding random countries).

 

22 minutes ago, Epsilon160 said:

main feedback on the tree itself is that there is an absolutely massive number of turreted K200 prototypes, and I think at least a couple should be in any Korean tree.

True, im still missing this K200 variant.

 

[Yontzee 1,674]

46 minutes ago, Epsilon160 said:

main feedback on the tree itself is that there is an absolutely massive number of turreted K200 prototypes, and I think at least a couple should be in any Korean tree.

Again I can definitely add more  I appreciate it

Just now, GildyMenn21 said:

Honest Question though. 

Why aren’t France or Germany an option (even Britain) but Japan is? Like how i previously stated that South Korea has bought some vehicles from these nations and also cooperated with these nations in their own domestic developments yet they aren’t an option. 
 

However it looks like its acceptable for Japan to receive random country then i can also assume that this can be done for every other nation right (adding random countries).

 

True, im still missing this K200 variant.

 

Japan was requested as a main option. More than welcome to share who should have it 

[John_Soap 1]

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[GildyMenn21 285]

6 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

Japan was requested as a main option. More than welcome to share who should have it 

What i mean is if Japan can be option then so can France and German, the simple question why aren’t they? 

Also many players have requested for paper or captured vehicles should that also be acceptable as well then since it’s requested. 
 

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by GildyMenn21

[Yontzee 1,674]

4 minutes ago, GildyMenn21 said:

What i mean is if Japan can be option then so can France and German, the simple question why aren’t they? 

Creating a sub-tree using the tool takes a bit of time when IRL things are involved. I just focused on nations that people were interested in the most. People were interested in Japan being an option bc it lacks a lot of vehicles and other reasons. What nation do you think the ROK should go with? 

Edited June 18, 2023 by Yontzee

[SaabGripen 642]

8 minutes ago, GildyMenn21 said:

Why aren’t France or Germany an option (even Britain) but Japan is? Like how i previously stated that South Korea has bought some vehicles from these nations and also cooperated with these nations in their own domestic developments yet they aren’t an option. 

Good question. It is of course the United States that has the strongest connection with SK, but France and Germany, even Minors (Italy, Sweden and Israel) have some technical ties to Korea. But why did they only talk about Japan and not other countries? The intention is clearly visible. Maybe they know better why.

 

If it is not a racist mindset of 'because those two countries are in East Asia', it is a 20th century style mindset that simply wants to take something from others that one lacks.

[GildyMenn21 285]

46 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

People were interested in Japan being an option bc it lacks a lot of vehicles and other reasons.
 

Honestly is no excuse to obtain random countries or vehicles , what if Israeli lacks of vehicles eventually should we hand them Egyptian, Iranian or/and Iraqi vehicles? 

Japan for example could be fused with Thailand (old military alliance), Indonesia, Philippines or Vietnam since they donated/leased military patrol boats and aircraft to them (arms export). 
https://asc.fisipol.ugm.ac.id/2020/04/01/japans-free-vessels-to-natuna-is-it-really-free/

Also what are the other reasons? 
 

46 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

What nation do you think the ROK should go with? 

A nations that at least have a military connection with South Korea in the sense of technology share or arms export as that makes more sense then placing it randomly because of.
 

Edited June 18, 2023 by GildyMenn21

[WorldLiberation 48]

North Korea to China and USSR or Japan

South Korea to Japan

Japan currently not viable now.

Add Korean Subtree to Japan or delete Japanese tree

[Epsilon160 270]

42 minutes ago, GildyMenn21 said:

Japan for example could be fused with Thailand (old military alliance), Indonesia, Philippines or Vietnam since they donated/leased military patrol boats and aircraft to them (arms export). 

https://asc.fisipol.ugm.ac.id/2020/04/01/japans-free-vessels-to-natuna-is-it-really-free/

Also what are the other reasons?

Not advocating for Korean as a subtree but Thailand is problematic because a lot of their equipment is Chinese, which is one of the major reasons why the Thailand subtree suggestion ended up with the extremely low Yes to No ratio. While that equipment isn't necessary for the tree, since Thailand also bought equipment from Ukraine (side note but BM-Oplot as a vehicle exclusively in the Japanese tree would be hilarious), it doesn't really help the case for the Thailand subtree.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Epsilon160

[adrianseonu 25]

Aah of course season no.327th

Japan sub tech tree

Let me be clear about this

United korea&north korea tree

Or no korea

[Mahiwew 529]

Least contentious topic about Korea 

[llEulall 0]

Maybe the Philippines is good

[리쿠하치마아루강간 14]

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• The K2 Black Panther is a Republic of Korea main battle tank developed by Hyundai Rotem. The vehicle was designed to replace the aging M48 Patton and M60A1 main battle tanks in service with the ROKA. The K2 Black Panther features several key upgrades over previous ROKA main battle tanks, including an advanced 120mm smoothbore gun, which is capable of firing a wider range of ammunition, including new developments like the K279 APFSDS-T round, the K280 HEAT-MP-T multi-purpose round, and a guided missile developed specifically for the K2 Black Panther, the Korean Smart Top-Attack Munition (KSTAM). The KSTAM is a fire and forget (with manual guidance capability), top attack missile capable of traveling out to 8km. The missile is fired from the gun like any round and automatically tracks the target before releasing an explosively formed penetrator into the top armor. The tank also features an advanced fire control system, which includes a third-generation thermal imaging sight and a laser rangefinder, allowing for improved targeting capabilities. The K2 Black Panther has a crew of three, including a driver, gunner, and commander. The vehicle is powered by a diesel engine, which provides exceptional mobility and speed on the battlefield. The K2 Black Panther features advanced armor protection, which includes composite armor and explosive reactive armor (ERA), designed to provide excellent protection against a range of threats, including small arms fire, mines, and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). The vehicle also features a range of defensive systems, including a laser warning system, a smoke grenade launcher, and a countermeasure system that can deploy smoke screens and chaff to confuse enemy sensors. In addition to these upgrades, the K2 Black Panther also features an advanced digital network, which allows the vehicle to share real-time situational awareness data with other vehicles and units on the battlefield. The tank is also equipped with a range of modern communication systems, which allow the crew to maintain contact with other units and receive real-time updates on the battlefield situation. The K2 Black Panther is also equipped with an active protection system (APS) called KAPS, or Korean Active Protection System, which uses sensors and countermeasures to detect and neutralize incoming threats, such as anti-tank missiles and rockets. The APS provides an additional layer of defense for the vehicle and its crew. The K2 Black Panther entered service with the South Korean military in 2014 and has since participated in various military exercises and operations. The tank or its technology has also been exported to several countries, including Turkey and Poland. Overall, the K2 Black Panther is widely regarded as one of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world, with superior firepower, protection, and mobility capabilities. Its advanced technologies and capabilities make it a formidable force on the battlefield, and its success has helped establish South Korea as a major player in the global arms market.

 

First of all, the articles cited in the K2 section are incorrect in many ways. South Korea has never operated the M60 tank.
and the KSTAM, which is incorrectly said to be the unique armament of the K2 tank, was never developed.

 

Also, the hard-kill APS was only tested on the XK2 prototype and will not be installed on the production K2.

 

 

The XK2 can be equipped with a dozer blade, which was removed from the production version.

K2 and XK2 are different vehicles with cosmetic and technical differences.

 

 

This photo is of the FTR(Firepower Test Rig), which is a separate vehicle from the XK-2 PV.
To get APS, you will need to have a separate XK-2 PV in your tree.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by 리쿠하치마아루강간

[鮮血魔嬢 9]

japan sub tree+1

korea used to be a part of japan in ww2

and ROKA also incorporated a plenty of Japanese former soldiers in korea war after independence.

（such like Park Chung-hee，an IJA/Manchukuo Imperial Army former soldier and later became the President of South Korea）

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just like india as a UK sub tree lol

Edited June 19, 2023 by 鮮血魔嬢

[Epsilon160 270]

52 minutes ago, llEulall said:

Maybe the Philippines is good

The problem with most SEA nations is that they balance relations with China and the West (including Japan). Both Japan and China are large investors and provide a lot of economic and other aid to the region, and I don't think any nation in the region is completely aligned with one or the other.

Edited June 19, 2023 by Epsilon160

[Kingtiez@live 606]

Why’d you remove one of the polls and Japanese tree reference?

Edited June 19, 2023 by Kingtiez@live

[CubicSquare 156]

Why remove all traces of Japan from the initial post? It was overwhelmingly the majority option last time I checked:

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[llEulall 0]

I don't think Gaijin will release a Japanese subtree to make money

 

Because if a Korean tree comes out, it becomes money

Edited June 19, 2023 by llEulall

[DagothMoose 11]

+1 for it going to Japan.

[Atokara 5]

1 hour ago, 鮮血魔嬢 said:

japan sub tree+1

korea used to be a part of japan in ww2

and ROKA also incorporated a plenty of Japanese former soldiers in korea war after independence.

（such like Park Chung-hee，an IJA/Manchukuo Imperial Army former soldier and later became the President of South Korea）

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just like india as a UK sub tree lol

This is an important point. Japan's influence on the ROKA and ROKAF doesn't end in 1945. The first 10 chief of staff of the ROKA were ex-Imperial Japanese officers (almost all volunteers and not conscripts) while none were from the Korean independence movement. Many of the ROKAF's pilots were ex-IJAAF pilots as they were the only ones with flight experience.

https://www.quora.com/How-important-were-former-Korean-members-of-the-Imperial-Japanese-military-in-the-formation-of-the-modern-militaries-of-North-and-South-Korea

Japan intervened in the Korean war providing minesweeping that allowed landings of UN forces to provide relief to South Korea. Japanese and South Korean relations are at an all time high. The two countries are looking to integrate each others BMD radars to better allow tracking of NK missiles.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-skorea-link-radar-systems-track-nkorea-missiles-source-2023-05-09/

The K2 rifle was also developed with the help of Japan.

Spoiler

The K21 was also initially influenced by the Type 89 as early mock up models show. The K21 originally planned to have a turret identical to the Type 89 also using a 35mm including Japan's unique smoke grenade launchers.

Spoiler

Iwao Hayashi was initially consulted along with other international people during the K2's development.

For how heavily restricted Japan was post WW2 in military exports and cooperation with other countries it's very significant.

Edited June 19, 2023 by Atokara

[NoRussianBias 8]

+1 for it going to Japan.

[04시설 4]

Why is the Korean tree included in the Japanese tree?  The two countries have nothing to do with each other.  It's just geographically close. Other than this, there's no reason to say that the Japanese tree is poor.  Do you think it is justified to have Egypt or Jordan as subtrees because of the lack of Israel?  I'd rather go into the technically related American subtree or come out with American Premium Vehicles and Squadron Vehicles.  Other countries have nothing to do with it, and it would be nice to come out as a t-80u (Korean version) to the Soviet Union.