Just got the Kronshtadt

[Stielhandgranate 139]

I have to say, coming from the Alaska that has the same reload and the same size guns, I'm amazed at the performance difference. My first match with stock HE, I did over 16k damage, had 6 ships targeting me, and never got below 50% crew. This things is unbelievably broken. After years of watching people fight to get historical guns, rounds, and vehicles in the game and being told repeatedly that there wasn't enough documentation (even when provided with documentation) it's odd to see a ship at top tier that not only was never built, but is using guns that were never built. They have higher velocity shells than anything else, have more filler than almost anything else, pen more armor than almost anything else, and are ludicrously accurate. The ship itself has a large crew, good speed, decent maneuverability, and is nearly impossible to kill. 

I don't want it "fixed" as I'm going to abuse the other teams with it. I encourage everyone else to do the same, until they stop adding vehicles like this to the game. 

[굴러온 310]

Currently most battleship can endure 6 bots targeting, though difference in how many crew reduced. Unbelievably broken? Maybe you've never use Scharnhorst. Nearly impossible to kill and large crew? Really? When compared to Scharnhorst and Fuso?

[Stielhandgranate 139]

14 hours ago, 굴러온 said:

Currently most battleship can endure 6 bots targeting, though difference in how many crew reduced. Unbelievably broken? Maybe you've never use Scharnhorst. Nearly impossible to kill and large crew? Really? When compared to Scharnhorst and Fuso?

These were players targeting me. The biggest difference here, if you didn't get it from me explicitly stating it, is that the Scharnhorst existed and the Kronshtadt did not. The Fuso also existed. This is a conjectural ship that uses guns that were never built on a hull that was only ever 10% completed. It's pure fantasy. 

[TheWarmFridge 36]

23 hours ago, Stielhandgranate said:

I have to say, coming from the Alaska that has the same reload and the same size guns, I'm amazed at the performance difference. My first match with stock HE, I did over 16k damage, had 6 ships targeting me, and never got below 50% crew. This things is unbelievably broken. After years of watching people fight to get historical guns, rounds, and vehicles in the game and being told repeatedly that there wasn't enough documentation (even when provided with documentation) it's odd to see a ship at top tier that not only was never built, but is using guns that were never built. They have higher velocity shells than anything else, have more filler than almost anything else, pen more armor than almost anything else, and are ludicrously accurate. The ship itself has a large crew, good speed, decent maneuverability, and is nearly impossible to kill. 

I don't want it "fixed" as I'm going to abuse the other teams with it. I encourage everyone else to do the same, until they stop adding vehicles like this to the game. 

Unfortunately Russian 12-inch shells are over buffed atm, so much so that a while back in a datamine it was found that its actually more accurate than any other nation's 12 inch guns.

That's all I need to say about it, i wont touch it out of principle

[Stielhandgranate 139]

1 hour ago, TheWarmFridge said:

Unfortunately Russian 12-inch shells are over buffed atm, so much so that a while back in a datamine it was found that its actually more accurate than any other nation's 12 inch guns.

That's all I need to say about it, i wont touch it out of principle

I can respect that position. My philosophy with games (after gaming for 40 years) is to "exploit early and exploit often" as it's the only way they are going to make changes. Gaijin has been pretty clear about only making changes when the data shows a problem. If everyone was dominating with this broken ship, I think they'd fix it faster. 

[굴러온 310]

20 hours ago, Stielhandgranate said:

These were players targeting me. The biggest difference here, if you didn't get it from me explicitly stating it, is that the Scharnhorst existed and the Kronshtadt did not. The Fuso also existed. This is a conjectural ship that uses guns that were never built on a hull that was only ever 10% completed. It's pure fantasy. 

 

most of 'players' in battles were auto-scripting bots. And also, there is no reason to blame Kronshtadt for 'fantasy', if not blaming for its performance. This game was never realistic since from start with Kikka, R2Y2, Panther II, and even in naval for Comandante Margottini. If you don't want to see 'fantasy' vehicle, you choose the wrong game

[Stielhandgranate 139]

4 hours ago, 굴러온 said:

 

most of 'players' in battles were auto-scripting bots. And also, there is no reason to blame Kronshtadt for 'fantasy', if not blaming for its performance. This game was never realistic since from start with Kikka, R2Y2, Panther II, and even in naval for Comandante Margottini. If you don't want to see 'fantasy' vehicle, you choose the wrong game

Thanks, smartass. I've been playing for over 10 years. I've been playing naval exclusively for months. It's easy to tell a bot from a player mostly from their lineup. These were players with full lineups of non-premiums so not bots. As to your other point, the developers have claimed they strive for accuracy. Vehicles like the Panther II and 10.5cm Tiger have been moved out of the main tree and removed for people that didn't already research them. The Commandant Margottini class was built and one was even destroyed in action. It also didn't use guns that never existed. The Kronshtadt only existed on paper including its overperforming weaponry. 

[TheMightySardine 1,427]

49 minutes ago, Stielhandgranate said:

Thanks, smartass. I've been playing for over 10 years. I've been playing naval exclusively for months. It's easy to tell a bot from a player mostly from their lineup. These were players with full lineups of non-premiums so not bots. As to your other point, the developers have claimed they strive for accuracy. Vehicles like the Panther II and 10.5cm Tiger have been moved out of the main tree and removed for people that didn't already research them. The Commandant Margottini class was built and one was even destroyed in action. It also didn't use guns that never existed. The Kronshtadt only existed on paper including its overperforming weaponry. 

Kron´s guns only existed on paper, tho Kron as whole existed, only 10% finished but still was laid down.

[굴러온 310]

1 hour ago, Stielhandgranate said:

The Commandant Margottini class was built and one was even destroyed in action. 

None of Comaandant Margottini and her sister ships were ever finished. That's why Gaijin stated in tech tree spec card as 'RN Comandante Medaglie d'Oro class, RN Commandante Margottini, Project. If you want to call someone smartass, think twice before so you've not become smartass.

[Stielhandgranate 139]

38 minutes ago, 굴러온 said:

None of Comaandant Margottini and her sister ships were ever finished. That's why Gaijin stated in tech tree spec card as 'RN Comandante Medaglie d'Oro class, RN Commandante Margottini, Project. If you want to call someone smartass, think twice before so you've not become smartass.

I was calling you a smartass for your comments about other "fantasy" vehicles that have been removed or moved out of the tree.
Someone should have told the people who sunk one of them that they didn't exist. "Comandante Margottini was the only ship to be launched as the Germans did it in early 1944 to make the slipway available for new construction." You have it wrong. The Commandante Margottini was  a Comandanti Medaglie d'Orco class destroyer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comandanti_Medaglie_d'Oro-class_destroyer
 

1 hour ago, TheMightySardine said:

Kron´s guns only existed on paper, tho Kron as whole existed, only 10% finished but still was laid down.

Agreed, but that makes it less finished than a Maus which they removed because it never existed as a finished tank. 

[Stielhandgranate 139]

In total 20 ships were appointed to building, but really only 9 were laid down. All laid down ships have been captured by German troops in September, 1943 on slipways. Germans did not undertake serious attempts to complete these ships, but it is known, that one destroyer ( Comandante Margottini ) was launched during German occupations, probably, only to clear a slipway. 

Still launched, which is way more than we can say about the Kronshtadt. 
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/italy/it_dd_comandanti.htm