Challenger 2 - The information thread

[DELTACLUSTER 1,734]

Hello and welcome to the 2nd Challenger 2 thread in the forums.

 

 

 

 

Unless the thread named directly after the vehicle, this thread is meant to concentrate the amount of informational material that forum users have gathered along with small posts of opinion in a specific fashion. The idea is to create a database for all users interested in Challenger 2 as well as for the Gaijin development team and to provide as much informational material as well as information on bugs and bug reports as possible. 

 

If you came around here to discuss the vehicle or voice any opinion on it, the thread of your choice is meant to be this one: 

 

 

This thread is under heavy moderation and will only present the posts it was created for. Posts which do not belong here, will be hidden. So please ensure the efforts you put in your post are not wasted and appear in the correct thread. 

 

 

 

 

 

To ensure the usability of this topic, each post should be marked with a little code in order for users to quickly aid others with information and combining the information of multiple posts. Because of this there are two categories:

 

PCI (Post of Collected Information) and MFS (Micro Feeback Survey).

 

These are there to distinguish between surveys for feedback (which may be hidden after a while) and information necessary for the users. 

 

PCI's are every post of informational material on Challenger 2. Such a post is meant to be tagged with "PCI" at the top to identify them. 

 

A PCI can be enhanced by other users of course. To ensure the information is linked, please open your new post on the matter with links to all posts you are going to enhance by posting your information to ensure players can easily track the chain of information and use it more efficiently. 

 

 

A MFS is a short lived type of post. They can be posted by everyone, but require a serious and constructive motivation behind them. Primarily, they are meant for individuals of the Gaijin team like @Smin1080p to post information on bugfixes, for example, and get immediate feedback in a brief and concentrated fashion without a discussion which is difficult to follow. Because of this MFS replies are meant to be posted in this fashion:

 

MFS Reply to MFS 1

 

Topic: Headlamp position fix

 

Opinion: Positive

 

Why: It fixes a mean visual issue which disturbed my enjoyance of the machine.

 

 

That's it. The explanation (The "why" part) can be a little longer of course, but the main target is to provide a direct feedback in a quick fashion to a directly asked question. 

NOTE: It is necessary for posters of initial MFS type posts to tag them with a number in order to keep the identification clear (i.e MFS 1 - Bugfix of suspension height). MFS will be hidden after 3 days (this may change) and the result may be collected in a general post. 

 

 

 

Now let the archives grow!

Edited January 2, 2020 by DELTACLUSTER

[RSanders 714]

After hearing a certain statement from an old salt down at the REME lad who worked on CR2 when it first came out, anyone who has access to view AESP: “2350-P-102-302 1st edition”, dated April 1998, will have access to the infamous Chapter 15.

 

Chapter 15, of course, containing the armour of the vehicle (both the cosmetic plates and Dorchester package) in full detail. Seems like the government, or whomever contracted the civvie to make the document, royally ballsed up and gave access of official secret, brand spanking new documentation to any joe Tom who asked for it!

 

Get searching, troops.

[duckmartin 1,889]

I have some information on challenger 2 ammunition which it should have in game instead of challenger 1 MK3 ammunition.

 

Also in this source it states L31 HESH can pen 450mm at any range !

 

 

As you can see challenger 2 should have.

L31A7 HESH

L26A1 APDSFS DU

L27A1 APDSFS DU

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by duckmartin

[duckmartin 1,889]

[duckmartin 1,889]

http://index-of.co.uk/Tutorials-2/Jane's Ammunition Handbook.pdf

 

page 1350

Edited May 17, 2020 by duckmartin

[RoflSeal 8,561]

I feel Jane's values are just wrong and based on older information, I mean the page is from 2001, and since then we've had declassified docs that show the length of CHARM projectile (L26A1) at 540mm (from tip to the end of the fins), the weight of the DU penetrator at 4.85kg, the real muzzle velocity of the L23 out of a new barrel in normal temperatures is 1547 m/s, not 1534 m/s.

The Haynes books on Challenger 1/2 written recently and by a former tank commander gave the penetration of the L26 as fired from Challenger 1. I assume this is for 60 degrees, which outperforms the ingame Challenger 2's L26 by 40mm.

Edited May 18, 2020 by RoflSeal

[duckmartin 1,889]

All current challenger 2 add on armour kits.

 

- Dorchester level 2E

 

- ROMOR-A ERA on the ufp/lfp

- Dorchester level 2E blocks on the side of the hull

- A skirt below the dorchester level 2E blocks to help to reduce dust

 

Dorchester level 2F.

 

- ROMOR-A ERA on the ufp/lfp

- Dorchester level 2F blocks on the side of the hull with a 20mm RHA back-plate.

- Dorchester level 2F blocks on the side of the turret.

- Bar armour from the side to the rear of the turret and hull

 

Dorchester level 2F late.

 

- Dorchester level 2F block on the lfp

- 50mm RHA added on to the ufp 

- Dorchester level 2F blocks on the side of the turret and hull with a 20mm RHA backplate on the hull block's

- Bar armour from the side to the rear of the turret and hull

- RCWS replaces the loaders L32A1 GPMG and is fully capable of using all NATO 7.62mm GPMG , 50 cals and a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.

- The bird table which is the big plate above the turret roof that has antennas on it which it is used for jamming enemy mines and anti tank missiles (probably wire guide missiles)

- barracuda MCS is the camouflage netting placed all over the turret and hull and is used for making the tank invisible to thermal imaging systems , inferred and radar.

- thermal camera added for the driver

 

 Dorchester level 2G.

- Same as DL2F late but has some improvements.

-  200mm composite armour block's on the side of the hull

- composite armour backplate

- side hull armour is now extended Lower to cover more of the tracks

- Driver thermals upgraded 

 

TES - H

- Same as DL2G but again with some improvements.

- Israeli ERA blocks added to the side of the hull.

- Mine protection kit added underneath the vehicle.

 

Dorchester level 2I. Megatron (2019)

 

- the side hull has 200mm dorchester level 2I composite armour blocks on it with a composite armour back-plate

- 200mm thick dorchester level 2I on the side of the turret.

- new Rheinmetall MCS that makes the tank invisible to thermal imaging , infrared and radar

 

 

theses are most of the add on armour kits for challenger 2.

 

sources. 

 

-  challenger 2 main battle tank by carl schulze.

 

- challenger 2 by D**k taylor.

 

- i mage of war challenger 2 the British main battle tan k by M P robinson & rob griffin.

 

- challenger 2 main battle tank workshop manual 1998 to present by D**k tay lor.

 

 

 

I hope this helps people understand a bit more about challenger 2's add-on armour kit's !!

Edited December 16, 2021 by duckmartin

[duckmartin 1,889]

Some pictures of challenger 2.

 

 

[Fireball_2020 467]

On 18/05/2020 at 21:23, RoflSeal said:

I feel Jane's values are just wrong and based on older information, I mean the page is from 2001, and since then we've had declassified docs that show the length of CHARM projectile (L26A1) at 540mm (from tip to the end of the fins), the weight of the DU penetrator at 4.85kg, the real muzzle velocity of the L23 out of a new barrel in normal temperatures is 1547 m/s, not 1534 m/s.

The Haynes books on Challenger 1/2 written recently and by a former tank commander gave the penetration of the L26 as fired from Challenger 1. I assume this is for 60 degrees, which outperforms the ingame Challenger 2's L26 by 40mm.

Which document for the weight and length is this? 

Edited April 28, 2022 by Fireball_2020

[Fireball_2020 467]

@RoflSeal^^