Independent Spanish Air-Tree

[Seefelder@psn 130]

                                     

 

 

 

                                                                                                                independent Spanish Tree 

Hello and welcome to my suggestion of a independent spanish tree. My friend Lupin III and i did some research on de spanish airforce and came up with this idea of a tree.

I would also thank the member of the WTCP discord channel, they did also a very good research. 

 

                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                         

 

Vehicle in Tree

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Rank I Fighter

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He-45C                                                                   Spanish Fury                                                           Hs-42 A1

Hs-42 B1                                                                 Hs-42D                                                                   Hs-43

Rank I Fighter II

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Fw-56                                                                      G50 serie 1                                                            He-60

Rank I Attacker

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Loring R3                                                                Hispano Aviacion E-30                                          Ro 37

Ro 37 bis                                                                 He-70F                                                                    Ju 87 A-1

Rank I Bomber

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CASA 352-L                                                            He-111 B-2                                                              SB-2M

Rank I Premium

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Ha-1109 J1L (Prototyp)                                            Loraine 46

Rank II Fighter

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Bf-109B                                                                   Bf-109C                                                                  Bf-109D

  

Bf-109 E3

Rank II Fighter II

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HA-1109 J1L                                                           He-112 B-0                                                              Fw-190A3

Rank II Attacker 

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C6                                                                            HA-100                                                                    HA-1109 K1L

Rank II Bomber

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Ca.310                                                                     Ca.135                                                                   Ju-88 A4

Rank II Premium

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Bf-109 E7                                                                  HA-1109 K2L

Rank III Fighter

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Bf-109 F4                                                                 Bf-109 G2

Rank III Attacker

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HA-1109 K1L (20mm)                                             HA-1112 K1L                                                           HS-50

Rank III Bomber

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Fw 200 C4                                                              CASA 2.111 (B2H)

Rank III Premium

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B-25C                                                                       HS-50 (Pre Serie)

Rank IV Fighter

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Bf-109G4                                                                  Bf-109G6

Rank IV Attacker

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HA-1112 early                                                          HA-1112 late

Rank IV Bomber

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CASA 2.111 late                                                      Ju-290

Rank IV Premium

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HA-1112 M1L Mappi                                                P.108B

Rank V Fighter

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CASA C101                                                            F-86

Rank V Attacker

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HA-220                                                                   CASA C101CC

Rank VI Fighter

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F104G                                                                      Mirage III                                                                F-4C

Rank VI Attacker

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AV-8S                                                                      HA-300

Rank VI Bomber

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Mirage F1

 

 

Now wait befor you sai only copy paste, its true that there are many vehicle alredy in the game, but there are also new ones. For example the He-70, it may be german but the Luftwaffe never ever used it so why not givit to a nation that used it. Also Spain could be used as a base for including other Nation like switzerand or for Pan America. 

 

Well now i wanna here your thoughts about it, feel free to coment.

 

Source:

Books: Aviones Españoles del siglo XX (Fundacion infante deorleans)

            Hispano Aviacion HA-1112     (Kagero)

            Aviacion Militar Española  (Susaeta)

 

Internet: Velarde (fio.es)

              Ejército del Aire (España) - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

              

 

 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Seefelder@psn
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[ItssLuBu 1,798]

Approved and open for discussion. 

[AspandaIV 375]

I'd will love to have a Spanish TT ingame and your suggestion looks promising since Spain operated surprisingly a lot of vehicles not only in Naval but also in Air and Tanks, in fact I was about to add my suggestion for a independent Spanish/Iberian TT though I would like to see a few things to see in this suggestion

Firstly I'd would like to see what's the main difference between some of the variants between the same vehicles, I know what sets the Spanish Texans (C.6) and the F-86's apart from their American counterparts but idk what's are the main difference/differences between the Hs-42-A1 and the B1 for example, Secondly I would like to see some more sources for at least some of the said vehicles, preferably sources I didn't see yet and some English and/or Russian sources if possible, Thirdly there are a lot of vehicles that are missing in this TT which includes
 

• The He-112A-0 was used by Spain
• I-16 type 6: lightened type 5 with a extra mg
• Hispano-Suiza I-16 type-10 model 1938 "Super Mosca": I-16 type-10 with a Wright Cyclone R-1820-F-54 engine, resulting in better high altitude performance in comparison to other I-16's
• SB-2M 100 (HS-12Ybrs): SB-2M 100 with it's original engines replaced with Hispano Suiza 12Ybrs engines by the Nationalist resulting in better overall performance
• Vultee V-1A: Originally a cargo and passenger plane converted into a light Bomber by the Republicans
• Romano R.83 & R.92: French Biplane fighters that were exclusively used by Republican Spain
• Ge.23 Delfin (Grumman FF): American Biplane fighter-bomber used by the Republicans
• Aero A.101: Czech built Biplane bomber used by the Republicans
• Letov S.231 & S.331: Czech built Biplane fighter used by the Republicans
• Caproni AP.1: Italian attack aircraft used by the Nationalist
• There are 3 or 4 variants of the C.101, the EB that was used exclusively by Spain, the BB which was used by Honduras and Chile, the CC used by Chile (CC-02/A.36 "Halcon") and Jordan (CC-04) and the DD (prototype)
• CASA SF.5A: licensed built F-5A "Freedom Fighter"
• Spain operated both the Single and Twin-seat variants of the Ba.65
• Spain also operated 4 variants of the F-86F (F-20, F-25, F-30 & F-40)
   

Finally you may consider adding some Portuguese vehicles either as Premiums or to fill in current gaps, i'm just suggesting this since they a couple of unique variants of existing vehicles like they are the only country to operate the Do-27 as an COIN aircraft and their PV-2's & B-26's used different armaments from their American counterparts Portugal had very close relations with Spain so adding Portuguese vehicles in the Spanish TT makes sense

Btw here are some sources of some of the vehicles that I mentioned both the Spanish and Portuguese vehicles that I mentioned as well as some that I didn't mentioned and some of the vehicles that are suggested in the TT
 

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http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/ba65.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/ha300.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/ha220.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/a36.html
http://www.usislam.org/politics/HA300_helwan_aircraft_egypt.htm
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4223.htm (note: this source is about the HA-300 when it's developed in Spain)
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4222.htm (note: this source is about the HA-100)
http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n2/portcoin.html  (note: this source is about the history/operation of Portuguese COIN aircraft in Africa)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Republican_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_of_the_Spanish_Armed_Forces#Air_Force (note: this source is about the Emblems of all branches of the Spanish Military)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/forodemodelismo/magnificas-fotos-de-bf-109f-de-la-escuadrilla-azul-t4359.html
https://flaps-aviacion-aviation-luftfahrt.blogspot.com/2010/08/hispano-aviacion-haa-1112-buchon.html
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escuadrilla_Azul
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/10/11/hispano-ha-200/
https://weaponsparade.com/ha-200d-saeta-gallery/
https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/spaniens-erstes-strahlflugzeug-hispano-aviacion-ha-200-saeta/
http://www.adar.es/emblemas.pdf (this source is about Republican Spanish AF Medals)
http://i16fighter.aviaskins.com/operational-history/spain.htm
https://www.oocities.org/tavaresl.geo/B26.htm (this source is about the Portuguese B-26's)
https://www.oocities.org/tavaresl.geo/photoharpoon.htm (this source is about the Portuguese Harpoons)
http://relojdelforo.blogspot.com/2012/01/casa-2111-el-heinkel-111-espanol.html
https://ultimas-curiosidades.blogspot.com/2012/03/guerra-colonial-o-dornier-do-27-na.html (this source is about the Portuguese Do-27's)
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=420078 (these last three sources are Images of Spanish I-16's)
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=420206
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=169304

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by AspandaIV

[Seefelder@psn 130]

On 05/01/2021 at 01:41, AspandaIV said:

I'd will love to have a Spanish TT ingame and your suggestion looks promising since Spain operated surprisingly a lot of vehicles not only in Naval but also in Air and Tanks, in fact I was about to add my suggestion for a independent Spanish/Iberian TT though I would like to see a few things to see in this suggestion

Firstly I'd would like to see what's the main difference between some of the variants between the same vehicles, I know what sets the Spanish Texans (C.6) and the F-86's apart from their American counterparts but idk what's are the main difference/differences between the Hs-42-A1 and the B1 for example, Secondly I would like to see some more sources for at least some of the said vehicles, preferably sources I didn't see yet and some English and/or Russian sources if possible, Thirdly there are a lot of vehicles that are missing in this TT which includes
 

• The He-112A-0 was used by Spain
• I-16 type 6: lightened type 5 with a extra mg
• Hispano-Suiza I-16 type-10 model 1938 "Super Mosca": I-16 type-10 with a Wright Cyclone R-1820-F-54 engine, resulting in better high altitude performance in comparison to other I-16's
• SB-2M 100 (HS-12Ybrs): SB-2M 100 with it's original engines replaced with Hispano Suiza 12Ybrs engines by the Nationalist resulting in better overall performance
• Vultee V-1A: Originally a cargo and passenger plane converted into a light Bomber by the Republicans
• Romano R.83 & R.92: French Biplane fighters that were exclusively used by Republican Spain
• Ge.23 Delfin (Grumman FF): American Biplane fighter-bomber used by the Republicans
• Aero A.101: Czech built Biplane bomber used by the Republicans
• Letov S.231 & S.331: Czech built Biplane fighter used by the Republicans
• Caproni AP.1: Italian attack aircraft used by the Nationalist
• There are 3 or 4 variants of the C.101, the EB that was used exclusively by Spain, the BB which was used by Honduras and Chile, the CC used by Chile (CC-02/A.36 "Halcon") and Jordan (CC-04) and the DD (prototype)
• CASA SF.5A: licensed built F-5A "Freedom Fighter"
• Spain operated both the Single and Twin-seat variants of the Ba.65
• Spain also operated 4 variants of the F-86F (F-20, F-25, F-30 & F-40)
   

Finally you may consider adding some Portuguese vehicles either as Premiums or to fill in current gaps, i'm just suggesting this since they a couple of unique variants of existing vehicles like they are the only country to operate the Do-27 as an COIN aircraft and their PV-2's & B-26's used different armaments from their American counterparts Portugal had very close relations with Spain so adding Portuguese vehicles in the Spanish TT makes sense

Btw here are some sources of some of the vehicles that I mentioned both the Spanish and Portuguese vehicles that I mentioned as well as some that I didn't mentioned and some of the vehicles that are suggested in the TT
 

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http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/ba65.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/ha300.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/ha220.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/a36.html
http://www.usislam.org/politics/HA300_helwan_aircraft_egypt.htm
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4223.htm (note: this source is about the HA-300 when it's developed in Spain)
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4222.htm (note: this source is about the HA-100)
http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n2/portcoin.html  (note: this source is about the history/operation of Portuguese COIN aircraft in Africa)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Republican_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_of_the_Spanish_Armed_Forces#Air_Force (note: this source is about the Emblems of all branches of the Spanish Military)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/forodemodelismo/magnificas-fotos-de-bf-109f-de-la-escuadrilla-azul-t4359.html
https://flaps-aviacion-aviation-luftfahrt.blogspot.com/2010/08/hispano-aviacion-haa-1112-buchon.html
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escuadrilla_Azul
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/10/11/hispano-ha-200/
https://weaponsparade.com/ha-200d-saeta-gallery/
https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/spaniens-erstes-strahlflugzeug-hispano-aviacion-ha-200-saeta/
http://www.adar.es/emblemas.pdf (this source is about Republican Spanish AF Medals)
http://i16fighter.aviaskins.com/operational-history/spain.htm
https://www.oocities.org/tavaresl.geo/B26.htm (this source is about the Portuguese B-26's)
https://www.oocities.org/tavaresl.geo/photoharpoon.htm (this source is about the Portuguese Harpoons)
http://relojdelforo.blogspot.com/2012/01/casa-2111-el-heinkel-111-espanol.html
https://ultimas-curiosidades.blogspot.com/2012/03/guerra-colonial-o-dornier-do-27-na.html (this source is about the Portuguese Do-27's)
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=420078 (these last three sources are Images of Spanish I-16's)
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=420206
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=169304

 

Wow thanks for your feedback, will definitely add some to my tree

[Z3r0_ 4,127]

I'm not entirely opposed to this idea but I would like to see it a bit more fleshed out before I fully commit to supporting it.  I also agree with adding Portuguese stuff to help fill gaps (i.e. Portuguese G.91s for rank 5) and create interesting options for premiums.

 

Also keep in mind that you need to fill a ground and naval tree out for these too.  Ground forces you're going to see a lot of copypasta like the air tree, but the naval side should have some unique content which should be competitive if given suitable BRs, up to and including a couple dreadnoughts in the form of the Espana-class; granted, they weren't very GOOD dreadnoughts (though they weren't exactly the worst for their time either - that dubious "honor", imho, goes to the German Nassau-class), but they at least had them, which is more than you could say for China or even Sweden, though the latter had coastal defense ships with comparable gun caliber, just less of them.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Z3r0_

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

8 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

I'm not entirely opposed to this idea but I would like to see it a bit more fleshed out before I fully commit to supporting it.  I also agree with adding Portuguese stuff to help fill gaps (i.e. Portuguese G.91s for rank 5) and create interesting options for premiums.

 

Also keep in mind that you need to fill a ground and naval tree out for these too.  Ground forces you're going to see a lot of copypasta like the air tree, but the naval side should have some unique content which should be competitive if given suitable BRs, up to and including a couple dreadnoughts in the form of the Espana-class; granted, they weren't very GOOD dreadnoughts (though they weren't exactly the worst for their time either), but they at least had them, which is more than you could say for China or even Sweden, though the latter had coastal defense ships with comparable gun caliber, just less of them.

There already is a ground tree made by PikPikker. There is a good mix of domestic, American and French designs which I think will make the tree interesting. Naval will be just as interesting though like you said they wont really have any capable dreadnoughts, I'm more looking forward to their cruisers. 

 

[Z3r0_ 4,127]

On 07/01/2021 at 01:29, WayOfTheWolk said:

There already is a ground tree made by PikPikker. There is a good mix of domestic, American and French designs which I think will make the tree interesting. Naval will be just as interesting though like you said they wont really have any capable dreadnoughts, I'm more looking forward to their cruisers. 

 

 

Fair enough.

 

Now, there's also the question of matchmaking.  This isn't QUITE as relevant nowadays with mixed matchups being the norm rather than the exception, but still something to consider.  In Axis VS Allies matchups I'd throw Spain in with the Axis (they were technically neutral in World War II but Franco's Spain was definitely more pro-Axis than...say...Sweden).  In NATO/SEATO VS ComBloc they'd be NATO-aligned most likely...and then there's that really weird matchup added in the last patch or two that pits the Americans and Japan against everybody else for some reason (my guess is that it was a Gaijin employee's idea of a practical joke), in which case I'd throw them in with the US and Japan just to make it a little bit less lopsided.

[Solarmod 1,203]

Doh, I had just started working on one the night before you posted this. I'll finish it and post my idea here, but I devised an idea to allow Republican only planes for the first 2 ranks, or Nationalist only, I'll explain when I'm done, +1, good work on outspeeding me!

[Seefelder@psn 130]

5 minutes ago, Solarmod said:

Doh, I had just started working on one the night before you posted this. I'll finish it and post my idea here, but I devised an idea to allow Republican only planes for the first 2 ranks, or Nationalist only, I'll explain when I'm done, +1, good work on outspeeding me!

Thanks, looking forward to it

[AspandaIV 375]

5 hours ago, Solarmod said:

Doh, I had just started working on one the night before you posted this. I'll finish it and post my idea here, but I devised an idea to allow Republican only planes for the first 2 ranks, or Nationalist only, I'll explain when I'm done, +1, good work on outspeeding me!

One thing to note about is that most republican vehicles end up being used by the Nationalist after the end of the Spanish civil war due to various reasons from embargoes from the allies, the reluctance of the Axis giving them their military equipment , the destruction of most of it's industries as a result from the Civil war and the Spanish state not being in the greatest of financial states in the 1940's

I also working on my version of the TT a while but i procrastinated for a little too long and Seefelder beat us to it, since i was mostly still in the process of getting sources for the aircraft

[Seefelder@psn 130]

11 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

One thing to note about is that most republican vehicles end up being used by the Nationalist after the end of the Spanish civil war due to various reasons from embargoes from the allies, the reluctance of the Axis giving them their military equipment , the destruction of most of it's industries as a result from the Civil war and the Spanish state not being in the greatest of financial states in the 1940's

I also working on my version of the TT a while but i procrastinated for a little too long and Seefelder beat us to it, since i was mostly still in the process of getting sources for the aircraft

At least i am happy to see that  other then me are also very intrested to see a spanish tree, just for you to know, i am also working on a navel tree. I think there is where spain really shines.

[Solarmod 1,203]

10 hours ago, Seefelder@psn said:

At least i am happy to see that  other then me are also very intrested to see a spanish tree, just for you to know, i am also working on a navel tree. I think there is where spain really shines.

I'm really excited too, I love the weird vehicles made during the civil war.

[Seefelder@psn 130]

On 05/01/2021 at 01:41, AspandaIV said:

I'd will love to have a Spanish TT ingame and your suggestion looks promising since Spain operated surprisingly a lot of vehicles not only in Naval but also in Air and Tanks, in fact I was about to add my suggestion for a independent Spanish/Iberian TT though I would like to see a few things to see in this suggestion

Firstly I'd would like to see what's the main difference between some of the variants between the same vehicles, I know what sets the Spanish Texans (C.6) and the F-86's apart from their American counterparts but idk what's are the main difference/differences between the Hs-42-A1 and the B1 for example, Secondly I would like to see some more sources for at least some of the said vehicles, preferably sources I didn't see yet and some English and/or Russian sources if possible, Thirdly there are a lot of vehicles that are missing in this TT which includes
 

• The He-112A-0 was used by Spain
• I-16 type 6: lightened type 5 with a extra mg
• Hispano-Suiza I-16 type-10 model 1938 "Super Mosca": I-16 type-10 with a Wright Cyclone R-1820-F-54 engine, resulting in better high altitude performance in comparison to other I-16's
• SB-2M 100 (HS-12Ybrs): SB-2M 100 with it's original engines replaced with Hispano Suiza 12Ybrs engines by the Nationalist resulting in better overall performance
• Vultee V-1A: Originally a cargo and passenger plane converted into a light Bomber by the Republicans
• Romano R.83 & R.92: French Biplane fighters that were exclusively used by Republican Spain
• Ge.23 Delfin (Grumman FF): American Biplane fighter-bomber used by the Republicans
• Aero A.101: Czech built Biplane bomber used by the Republicans
• Letov S.231 & S.331: Czech built Biplane fighter used by the Republicans
• Caproni AP.1: Italian attack aircraft used by the Nationalist
• There are 3 or 4 variants of the C.101, the EB that was used exclusively by Spain, the BB which was used by Honduras and Chile, the CC used by Chile (CC-02/A.36 "Halcon") and Jordan (CC-04) and the DD (prototype)
• CASA SF.5A: licensed built F-5A "Freedom Fighter"
• Spain operated both the Single and Twin-seat variants of the Ba.65
• Spain also operated 4 variants of the F-86F (F-20, F-25, F-30 & F-40)
   

Finally you may consider adding some Portuguese vehicles either as Premiums or to fill in current gaps, i'm just suggesting this since they a couple of unique variants of existing vehicles like they are the only country to operate the Do-27 as an COIN aircraft and their PV-2's & B-26's used different armaments from their American counterparts Portugal had very close relations with Spain so adding Portuguese vehicles in the Spanish TT makes sense

Btw here are some sources of some of the vehicles that I mentioned both the Spanish and Portuguese vehicles that I mentioned as well as some that I didn't mentioned and some of the vehicles that are suggested in the TT
 

Reveal hidden contents

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/ba65.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/ha300.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/ha220.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/a36.html
http://www.usislam.org/politics/HA300_helwan_aircraft_egypt.htm
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4223.htm (note: this source is about the HA-300 when it's developed in Spain)
https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4222.htm (note: this source is about the HA-100)
http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n2/portcoin.html  (note: this source is about the history/operation of Portuguese COIN aircraft in Africa)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Republican_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_of_the_Spanish_Armed_Forces#Air_Force (note: this source is about the Emblems of all branches of the Spanish Military)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/forodemodelismo/magnificas-fotos-de-bf-109f-de-la-escuadrilla-azul-t4359.html
https://flaps-aviacion-aviation-luftfahrt.blogspot.com/2010/08/hispano-aviacion-haa-1112-buchon.html
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escuadrilla_Azul
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/10/11/hispano-ha-200/
https://weaponsparade.com/ha-200d-saeta-gallery/
https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/spaniens-erstes-strahlflugzeug-hispano-aviacion-ha-200-saeta/
http://www.adar.es/emblemas.pdf (this source is about Republican Spanish AF Medals)
http://i16fighter.aviaskins.com/operational-history/spain.htm
https://www.oocities.org/tavaresl.geo/B26.htm (this source is about the Portuguese B-26's)
https://www.oocities.org/tavaresl.geo/photoharpoon.htm (this source is about the Portuguese Harpoons)
http://relojdelforo.blogspot.com/2012/01/casa-2111-el-heinkel-111-espanol.html
https://ultimas-curiosidades.blogspot.com/2012/03/guerra-colonial-o-dornier-do-27-na.html (this source is about the Portuguese Do-27's)
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=420078 (these last three sources are Images of Spanish I-16's)
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=420206
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=169304

 

 

The vultee v 1a is e very special aircraft, do you actually know how much bombs it could carry?

[Solarmod 1,203]

Finally got the docs for my tree from my laptop, will finish it up soon

 

[Sahuco 28]

Spain is the only "big" european country with no tree in the game,would be nice to see it here.

[Z3r0_ 4,127]

On 19/01/2021 at 14:04, Seefelder@psn said:

 

The vultee v 1a is e very special aircraft, do you actually know how much bombs it could carry?

 

I don't believe any of these were used as bombers, just transports.

[PlanyKaanere 722]

41 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

I don't believe any of these were used as bombers, just transports.

 

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The vultee v 1a is e very special aircraft, do you actually know how much bombs it could carry?

 

On the V-1A: I've found various sources that mention it was modified into a light bomber (1 2). I found one mention of the bombload on an archive of the Virginia Aviation Museum: 8x75 Kg bombs, which doesn't sound too bad for Rank I.

Edited January 21, 2021 by PlanyKaanere

[AspandaIV 375]

 

1 hour ago, PlanyKaanere said:

 

 

On the V-1A: I've found various sources that mention it was modified into a light bomber (1 2). I found one mention of the bombload on an archive of the Virginia Aviation Museum: 8x75 Kg bombs, which doesn't sound too bad for Rank I.

I also found some sources that it stated that the Bombs are mounted under the fuselage and was equipped with forward facing lmgs

The V-1A can be easily added to the game and function to aircraft a kin to the Ki-32, Potez 633 & Yak-4 bombers

[JuanSd 0]

honestly, why add more nations when 90% of the players choose Russia, Germany, the United States, Great Britain and Japan, the other 10% are Swedes and Italians ... Nations like France I THINK they don't use it much, and China being Chinese they have copies of the planes of the other nations. and adding another nation it is a loss  of content and wasted time when they can use that time to PLEASE fix the game ...
Of course if you fancy Mr. Gaijin ...

Edited January 22, 2021 by JuanSd

[Z3r0_ 4,127]

On 21/01/2021 at 14:04, PlanyKaanere said:

 

 

On the V-1A: I've found various sources that mention it was modified into a light bomber (1 2). I found one mention of the bombload on an archive of the Virginia Aviation Museum: 8x75 Kg bombs, which doesn't sound too bad for Rank I.

 

Okay so it can just barely kill a minibase in one sortie at rank 1.  I guess that's fine.

[Seefelder@psn 130]

The CASA vildebeest could be intresting, the spanish used a Hispano suiza hs 600 engine. That wise it has a diffrent looking. 

[Seefelder@psn 130]

How about adding the Bellanca 28-90?

It was orderd by the republicans but because of the civil war it was never delivered. Could be a funny premium.

[MovingtargeT 23]

This seems like an interesting idea. I second the notion of adding Portuguese aircraft to the tree. They flew P-36's, P-39's, Hurricanes, and Spitfires, which would add some variety to the Rank II-IV section of fighters. Without researching ahead, I feel like there is also potential for premium planes of late-war US, British, and German origin. 

 

Edit: I forgot about la Division Azul, a perfect format for high-powered German aircraft available as premiums.

Edited February 7, 2021 by MovingtargeT

[AspandaIV 375]

11 hours ago, Seefelder@psn said:

How about adding the Bellanca 28-90?

It was orderd by the republicans but because of the civil war it was never delivered. Could be a funny premium.

I personally would like to see this aircraft in the Chinese TT since if i recall correctly all of the Bellanca 28-90's that were originally intended for the Spanish Republicans are sent to the Chinese Nationalist and Mexican Air Forces, also the V-1A fills a similar role to this aircraft which the Spanish did use

I wouldn't be upset if it was added to the Spanish TT though

Edited February 7, 2021 by AspandaIV

[Milocat 4,849]

15 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

I personally would like to see this aircraft in the Chinese TT since if i recall correctly all of the Bellanca 28-90's that were originally intended for the Spanish Republicans are sent to the Chinese Nationalist and Mexican Air Forces, also the V-1A fills a similar role to this aircraft which the Spanish did use

I wouldn't be upset if it was added to the Spanish TT though

 

Bellanca 28-90b - China - War Thunder - Official Forum

 

 

An independent Spanish tree could be nice, especially if supported by Portugal!  +1.