Aircraft/Loadouts 5 planes that would Sort Britain out indefinitely

[Smin1080p 60,444]

The British have a very distinct bomber gap , both in game now and also on the planned release tree.

 

This Problem could be fixed with 5 planes , which is a bit to ask for , but with them Britain would be fully balanced out with the other nations in terms of its bomber force and have some of its true icons.

 

The British bombers on the release tree are not very good , It cuts out all of the iconic bombers that bore the brunt of Bomber command and made up part of the powerful force it had at the end of the Second world war , second only in numbers to the US eighth Air force. We had one of the largest fleets of Heavy's and throughout the war we had numerous medium bombers , yet the 5 most significant of our bombers (That are not a Lancaster ) are missing completely. Some of these planes have been suggested before or mentioned separately for ideas but the point of this is to put the Five together and give all the information I can for you guys and hopefully give the Devs some ideas for later down the road.

 

So on the tree here are the bombers Britain is suggested as getting:

 

Fairy Swordfish - Already in game and is NOT a "bomber" , belongs in the navy section as a naval torpedo bomber.

 

Firebrand TF IV - Again not a bomber , more of a fighter if anything. Has 4x 20mm Hispanos and the only way I could compare it would be something like the Hellcat or Wildcat. Its a Navy heavy fighter and is also again a torpedo fighter NOT a bomber. again belongs in the Navy section , not the bombers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Firebrand

 

Blenheim - Again Already in game and is a light to medium bomber , this is a cool bomber but is very low tier and not very practical , but glad we have it anyway , this is bomber no 1.

 

Beaufort - Already in game and is bomber no 2

 

Armstrong Whitworth Whitley - our first true medium bomber but this one is not great at all , the Whitworth is larger than the wellington and performs even worse , it can carry more as far as I know but just imagine it as a slower and practically worse wellington. Still glad they included it and is bomber No 3

 

Wellington - Yeah I don't really even want to go there , everyone knows the Jelly Welly , not a bad bomber but not really a useable and reliable bomber in game , and why we even have 4 marks when 2 would have been more than enough. But none the less is bomber no 4

 

Mosquito B Mk - this will probably be a hit , has speed but can not carry that much of a load out , and also have NO ARMAMENT , yes that's right , the speeds sacrifice is no guns , at all , just bombs and speed , kind of like the Arado.... so is a fast bomber but cannot defend itself and has a meh bomb load. None the less I guess its bomber no 5

 

Lancaster - finally the mighty Lancaster but there's a problem ....

 

We already have 1 in game the B Mk III and the only one to come which is also our only other heavy is identical.... literally the exact same with the exception being the current one we have has Packard Merlin's where as the Mk I on the way has Merlin XX's, they are the Exact same otherwise. Still this is bomber no 6.

 

So in total that is 6 bombers not counting the premium ones , im talking about pure bombers , and the Swordfish and Firebrand don't count....

 

Take a look for yourself : http://warthunder.com/en/game/releasetree/tree_uk/

 

Compare that to the US : http://warthunder.ru/upload/image/TREES/usa_planes_eng.png

 

 

But the point is the US has no less than 26-28 Light , medium and Heavy bombers in their arsenal , compared to our 6. Yes if you include the Identical versions of ours their will be about 14 , 4 of them being Wellington's and still that doesn't compare to the wide variety of bombers the US get. Even the Germans and Japanese have more universal bombers than that !! and before you start on Germany , they were not excessive users of heavy's , and the 177 Grief was noted but the Devs and the FW 200 condor is on the tree , besides they have a massive amount of mediums....

 

I'm not suggesting you take away from any of these , why should you ? they had and used all of these planes , why not let them have them. What im asking for is Our bombers to be sorted.... And 5 is all we need.....

 

Here they are , have a look for yourself , ill post one image and the Wiki page with the specs for you to have a look

 

1) The Avro Lincoln

 

This was the ultimate development of the Lancaster , better bomb load , better armament and generally a much better aircraft , similar to the Development of the B-17 leading towards the B-29 , this is like the Lancaster's Big brother. The Aircraft entered service too late for WW2 but did enter service in 1945 so its immediate post war , it was intended for use against Japan but ultimately never saw combat in that war. None the less it was in service from 1945 until the late 50s / early 60s and did see action during the 1950s, by the RAF in the Mau Mau Uprising in Kenya, and with the RAF and RAAF during the Malayan Emergency however was withheld from the Korean Conflict as only the Royal Navy was involved.

 

This bomber would be a suitable tier 16 unlike the Lancaster , as I said , our equivalent of the B-29 era bombers

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Lincoln

 

 

 

2) Handily Page Halifax

Used in tandem with the Avro Lancaster in similar numbers , one of the RAFs 3 Heavy's of the war and every bit as important as the Lancaster

 

About tier 13 would be suitable for this , on par with the B-17 and also what the Lancaster should be.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_Halifax

 

 

3) Shorts Stirling

Used as Britain's First Heavy bomber of the Second world war , also the largest of the 3 , retired before wars end but saw excessive service alongside the Halifax before than Lancaster's arrival.

 

Tier 11 would be excellent for this.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Stirling

 

 

4) Avro Manchester

This would be one of our main mediums and was the predecessor to the ultimately more successful Lancaster. Basically a 2 engine , smaller version. This would be a perfect medium as it would be better than the Wellington.

 

About tier 9-10 for this would be great.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manchester

 

 

5) Handily page Hampden

One of our main Mediums at the start of the war alongside the Wellington and Whitley , this would be our Do-217 basically , small , light , fast and manoeuvrable , whilst still being able to carry a respectable load.

 

About tier 5-6 would be good

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_Hampden

 

 

These 5 would be perfect and solve so many issues and balance the trees better , this way our tree would be near perfect and not want for much more.

 

This would give us a complete tree with all areas covered and put us back on par with the other 4 nations. It would certainly fix the 28 v 14 Bombers and gives us a more versatile bombing force like the other nations and will give people more of a reason to go down the British bomber line and pass the impenetrable wall of Wellingtons.

 

Obviously Existing Flight models are always a priority and those already planned should come in before these , as long as we get these at some point , Also please don't think im asking for these to take priority over existing problems , just asking for these planes to be recognised by the devs and added to the release trees

[_TomokoAnabuki 8,995]

Great informative post.

+1

(although i am a Japan fan, the UK needs more planes and love from the devs)

[Smin1080p 60,444]

Great informative post.

+1

(although i am a Japan fan, the UK needs more planes and love from the devs)

 

Thanks :lol:   

 

I'm just after an equal footing in all nations , Britain doesn't need new spitfires or fighters , we have plenty on the way , just our bomber tree needs some lovin :yes:

[TACAIR 1,186]

If you want to update your post with the English US release tree:

 

http://warthunder.ru/upload/image/TREES/usa_planes_eng.png

[Bullfrog_ 3,180]

Mean while you guys have a complete fighter tree . . .     Just saying you guys can wait another two or three patches.

ha, Germans need the ol' ball and chain bomber branch more than anyone else =D 


But yea, everyone needs their release tree updated and shananakins.

[TsarIlyushin 11]

I'll start playing this game again as soon as I see these British bomber's in game! J/k I still play it regulary also Great post and I agree my friend! :good:

[Smin1080p 60,444]

If you want to update your post with the English US release tree:

 

http://warthunder.ru/upload/image/TREES/usa_planes_eng.png

 

Thanks Bis18marck70 couldn't get the US tree on the EU/US site for some reason :dntknw:

[Smin1080p 60,444]

Also guys this one is more of an Optional extra but what do you guys think?

 

Every nation except for Britain and Germany have flying boats of some kind so how about the Shorts Sunderland?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Sunderland

 

Im sure a few of you have heard of it but its basically a British G8 because it is so heavily armed with 20mms in some places!

 

like I said this isn't really with the original 5 and is not as important that's why I haven't put it there , but what do you think ?

if you guys agree I will edit and change to add this to make it 6 ;)s

[wotertool 5,062]

Lol, nice post!
Japan is crying for iconic fighters and they get bombers
Britian is crying for bomber and the last thing they got was a jet.

Japan doesn't even have a jet ^^

Though, not many people like bombers and without escort, they are easy targets, especially the british since they are armed with short range pistols

[Smin1080p 60,444]

Spelling people! Brittan?

How about: Britain, England, or the United Kingdom?

 

If that doesn't work- there's "Poms" or "Pommies" "Tommies", "Limeys", there's a list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_names_for_the_British

You could also mix it up- by inserting anglo-saxon four letter words in combination with the above.

This is a great warm up before mis-spelling the other members of the commonwealth such as Canadia and Austria (off the coast of New Zuland ;-)

 

I am English ......just the site auto corrects to 2 t's to get Brittan not Britain so yeah ...

 

and also , keep it on topic please , nothing of what you have said is even criticism about the post , just grammar/spelling...

[Smin1080p 60,444]

Lol, nice post!
Japan is crying for iconic fighters and they get bombers
Britian is crying for bomber and the last thing they got was a jet.

Japan doesn't even have a jet ^^

Though, not many people like bombers and without escort, they are easy targets, especially the british since they are armed with short range pistols

 

Exactly ;)s

 

If anything im trying to do you a favour here and give you other things to shoot at other than Wellingtons and Lancs , since that is all you ever see .....why they left these 5 off I will never know...

[FlatChat 30]

I don't know why but I've always had a fondness for the Halifax,  add to that I don't think there are many left in real life and none flying, it'd be nice to see them again in our virtual world.

 

:salute:

[TK1960SubDude 1,924]

This is a topic I have wondered about for a while now. Why is the "impenitrable wall of Wellingtons" there? The Germans have it too with the He-111s, as well as the Americans to a lessor extent with the B-25s and B-17s. These should be colapsed into a "you have to buy one to advance but you don't have to buy all of them" sort of like the P-63 and the He112. I do not need 3 versions of the He-111 with no variation other than the name. The same goes for the Wellington. The only upgrade the Wellington sees it the change to a 4 gun rear turret. There isn't a performance or handeling improvement to justifie having to purchase so many pieces of junk. I want to see the Sterling and Halifax in this game. The Short Sunderland would also be welcomed. Attention to the naval arms of other contries should be explored seriously. The US Navy had many seaplane patrol planes/bombers as well as land based bombers. The British FAA also had many fine craft that need to be represented. Even the Germans had naval aircraft or if you will seaplanes.

 

This game is still in beta at the moment and I can see that the Devs are trying to adjust to the desires/wishes/demands of the players and ultimatly the people that pay their bills. Keep up the good work Giajin and keep our desires in your thoughts.

[Smin1080p 60,444]

This is a topic I have wondered about for a while now. Why is the "impenitrable wall of Wellingtons" there? The Germans have it too with the He-111s, as well as the Americans to a lessor extent with the B-25s and B-17s. These should be colapsed into a "you have to buy one to advance but you don't have to buy all of them" sort of like the P-63 and the He112. I do not need 3 versions of the He-111 with no variation other than the name. The same goes for the Wellington. The only upgrade the Wellington sees it the change to a 4 gun rear turret. There isn't a performance or handeling improvement to justifie having to purchase so many pieces of junk. I want to see the Sterling and Halifax in this game. The Short Sunderland would also be welcomed. Attention to the naval arms of other contries should be explored seriously. The US Navy had many seaplane patrol planes/bombers as well as land based bombers. The British FAA also had many fine craft that need to be represented. Even the Germans had naval aircraft or if you will seaplanes.

 

This game is still in beta at the moment and I can see that the Devs are trying to adjust to the desires/wishes/demands of the players and ultimatly the people that pay their bills. Keep up the good work Giajin and keep our desires in your thoughts.

 

Most of the Fleet Air Arms machines are on they way , its just the Sea fires that worry me. They have said the I , II and III which are almost all the same , the later mark ones with the Griffons like the XV , XVII and the 47 would be better to go with the Sea Fury.

 

And yeah I wouldn't mind some German Navy stuff like the BF109T :lol:

[Czappu 874]

Adding just 2 planes at the moment would be gratefull for devs.

From Handley Page factory:
Hampden + Halifax
Why so? Fast Medium bomber to use for Arcade + lower tier heavy bomber to have around tier 11-13

Other planes that GB could have later : http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/35346-new-bombers-suggestion-and-tiering-for-new-japan-british-usa-planes/?p=499950 /

+ some other well thought final tree:
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[1] Gladiator II               [2] Hurricane I            [5] Whirlwind I                 [4] Fulmar                            [2] Blenheim IV           [3] Sunderland III

[4] Spitfire I                   [2] Hurricane IIa          [6] Beaufighter VIc         [6] Sea Hurricane Ic             [3] Blenheim V            [4] Sunderland V

[6] Spitfire II                  [3] Hurricane IIb          [7]  Beaufighter X           [7] Sea Hurricane IIc            [3] Beaufort I               [5] Seaford

[8] Spitfire Vb               [5] Hurricane IIc          [11] Beaufighter 21         [8] Seafire IIc                        [3] Beaufort VIII

[9] Spitfire VII               [6] Hurricane IId          [12] Mosquito FB VI        [9] Seafire III                        [4] Harrow II

[10] Spitfire Vc             [7] Typhoon 1a           [14] Brigand B.1              [10] Firefly I                          [5] Hampden I

[10] Spitfire IX              [8] Hurricane IV          [15] Hornet F.1                [11] Firefly IV                        [6] Whitley V

[11] Spitfire XVI            [12] Tyhpoon 1b/L      [16] Hornet F.3                [12] Firebrand TF IV             [7] Wellington Ic              

[12] Spitfire XII             [13] Tempest V                                                   [15] Sea Fury FB 11             [7] Wellington Ic/L

13] Spitfire XIV             [14] Tempest VI                                                 [16] Seafang 31                    [8] Wellington III

[14] Spitfire XVIII          [15] Tempest II                                                   [17] Sea Meteor F.3              [10] Wellington X

[15] Spitfire 21            [17] Vampire 5                                                     [18] Attacker F.1                    [11] Mosquito B IV

[16] Spitfire 22            [18] Vampire 6                                                     [19] Attacker FB.2                 [11] Manchester I

[17] Meteor F.3           [19] Vampire 9                                                     [19] Sea Venom FAW 20       [12] Mosquito B 25

[18] Meteor F.4 LW     [20] Venom FB 1                                                                                               [12] Halifax III

[19] Meteor F.4 SW                                                                                                                              [13] Stirling I

[20] Meteor F.8                                                                                                                                     [14] Mosquito B XVI

                                                                                                                                                             [14] Lancaster I

                                                                                                                                                             [15] Lancaster III

                                                                                                                                                             [16] Lincoln I

                                                                                                                                                             [19] Canberra B1

                                                                                                                                                             [20] Canberra B6

 

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[Gragnok 478]

excellent post although i believe the Short Stirling should be tier 9-10 as in reality it was quite a bad plane due to RAF restrictions on wingspan that limited its performance.

[Smin1080p 60,444]

excellent post although i believe the Short Stirling should be tier 9-10 as in reality it was quite a bad plane due to RAF restrictions on wingspan that limited its performance.

 

You could lower it I guess , I was just trying to keep it somewhat close to the Halifax and Lancaster

 

Best way would probably be

 

10-11 - Stirling

12-13 - Halifax

13-14 - Lancaster (Tier 14 being the .50 cal armed one)

16 - Lincoln

 

This way I guess it would be more like the US heavy tree where the Lincoln and B-29 should be on the same tier , then the Lancaster and Liberator , followed by the Halifax and the B-17 G models and the Stirling with the B-17 D/E models...

[SteeeveMaddennn 1,656]

I would so love to see more British bombers, I'm really disappointed when looking at the Brit's release tree at the moment...

[Smin1080p 60,444]

I would so love to see more British bombers, I'm really disappointed when looking at the Brit's release tree at the moment...

 

Im not disappointed for what we have , its just annoying to see day in day out new prototypes and jets from 1950+ when the ww2 content hasn't been covered yet.

 

To me these bombers are far more important than jet bombers or one offs as they were all used massively and contributed largely to the war effort...

[Army_41_24485 251]

Im not disappointed for what we have , its just annoying to see day in day out new prototypes and jets from 1950+ when the ww2 content hasn't been covered yet.

 

To me these bombers are far more important than jet bombers or one offs as they were all used massively and contributed largely to the war effort...

 

I completely agree.

[LB95 6,206]

Feel this thread needs a bump, while the Japs certainly need more planes in general, the British bomber tree is completely abysmal. And it's not as though our bombers only played a small part in the war, the "Bomber always gets through" phrase was the grounds for most of our air force for quite some time, and Bomber Command had a lot of resources.

[Smin1080p 60,444]

Feel this thread needs a bump, while the japanese certainly need more planes in general, the British bomber tree is completely abysmal. And it's not as though our bombers only played a small part in the war, the "Bomber always gets through" phrase was the grounds for most of our air force for quite some time, and Bomber Command had a lot of resources.

 

 

Well hopefully a mod pasess it on now that feature is available , I can understand why people want post war jets and crazy jet bombers , but this is one of the most noticeable and obvious gaps , it needs addressing more than anyone (Exception of Japan I spose) needs new jets to be added to the release tree.

 

The WW2 content should always take priority over the Korean and post war stuff seeing as this is a "WW2 MMO" ...

[OctavianAvgvstvs 376]

Just LOVE British bombers  :good:

[I_MIKE_I 7,651]

I gave a +1, because I think brits really should get more bombers.

 

A main concern however still is (and yes, I do bring it up everywhere) that stuff should be tiered by date, this would kinda sort things out in the bomber (and other) trees in terms of tiering.

[Smin1080p 60,444]

I gave a +1, because I think brits really should get more bombers.

 

A main concern however still is (and yes, I do bring it up everywhere) that stuff should be tiered by date, this would kinda sort things out in the bomber (and other) trees in terms of tiering.

 

I would take bombers over anything else that gets proposed for Britain.

 

As for tiering it would be nice to have that revised since we are at release now...