Battle of Marawi (2017) - Ground Battles, Realistic

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

Hello everyone! Here I am suggesting the addition of the map "Battle of Marawi (2017)", which historically took place this 2017 in Marawi, southern Philippines, resulting from the national military's efforts to prevent the Islamic State - East Asia Region, also known as the Maute Group, from establishing a branch of ISIS' dream caliphate here in my country.

 

Area:

total: 87.55 sq.km (33.80 sq.mi)

elevation: 710m (2,330 ft ASL)

highest elevation: 1,852m (6,076 ft)

lowest elevation: 19m (62 ft)

 

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marawi

 

maps:

 

 

 

 

the map would be suitable for any tier due to its size, as well as its immense complexity as an urban combat zone, much reminiscent to the newly-added Breslau, or the older Sweden.

 

reference pictures:

(CW: post-war destruction)

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Google maps reference:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Marawi+City,+Lanao+del+Sur/@8.0233615,124.2628805,12588m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x32559173e462e30f:0x9befb54ef959f073!8m2!3d8.0106213!4d124.297718

 

Reference videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stNjkSMDXOE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkG5YzzSG5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsk_0kkwfBk

 

 

Pros:

-decently sized, won't be too much of a "blitz" battle, unlike other urban combat maps like Advance to the Rhine, Poland, Eastern Europe, etc

-this contributes to more 21st century combat zones in the game

-available flanking routes, and if a "large" version (like Fields of Poland, Sands of Sinai, etc) of the map is implemented, the lake can be utilized as a flanking route for amphibious vehicles.

-many ambush zones and flanking spots, perfect for the more situational vehicles such as turretless tank destroyers, ATGM launchers, MGS, etc.

-spawn camping would be somewhat hard due to the labyrinth-like nature of the roads and buildings

-the areas separated by the lake can make for good sniping battles, especially in the "larger" version.

-more battlefields outside of European environments, which currently comprise majority of Ground RB maps

 

Cons:

-the long drive to the center of the map can be somewhat irritating for some players

-CAS would sometimes struggle due to the difficulty to spot vehicles in an urban environment, and buildings can absorb bomb/missile blasts that are intended for players

-capturing points would be a struggle in rotorcraft.

 

References:

Aben, E. (2020, July 25). Three years after Marawi siege, Philippines to start rebuilding 31 mosques. Arab News. Retrieved from:

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1710001/world

 

Alfheim15. (2017). "Marawi City Before and After the War". Steemit. Retrieved from:

https://steemit.com/philippines/@alfheim15/marawi-city-before-and-after-the-war

 

Amnesty International Editors. (2017, November 17). Philippines: ‘Battle of Marawi’ leaves trail of death and destruction. Amnesty International. Retrieved from: 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/philippines-battle-of-marawi-leaves-trail-of-death-and-destruction

 

Fonbuena, C. (2017, June 19). Marawi battle zone: urban warfare challenges PH military. Rappler. Retrieved from: 

https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/173050-battle-zone-marawi-urban-warfare/

 

Fonbuena, C. (2018, May 22). Marawi one year after the battle: a ghost town still haunted by threat of Isis. The Guardian. Retrieved from: 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/may/22/marawi-one-year-siege-philippines-ghost-town-still-haunted-threat-isis

 

IPDForum Staff. (2020, March 23). Lessons from Marawi. Indo-Pacific Defense Forum. Retrieved from:

https://ipdefenseforum.com/2020/03/lessons-from-marawi/

 

Knight, C., and Theodorakis, K. (2019, July 31). The Marawi crisis—urban conflict and information operations. Australian Strategic Policy Institute. Retrieved from:

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/marawi-crisis-urban-conflict-and-information-operations

 

Palumbo, D. (2017). The Battle for Marawi. International Business Times. Retrieved from:

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/battle-marawi-1622751

 

Reuters Graphics Editors. (2017). Battle for Marawi. Reuters Graphics. Retrieved from:

http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/PHILIPPINES-ATTACK/010041F032X/index.html

 

Xinhua. (2018, December 14). ADB approves US$408m to rebuild Philippines's Marawi. Chinadailyhk.com. Retrieved from: 

https://www.chinadailyhk.com/articles/184/154/216/1544781055827.html

 

Feel free to add any info/correct me if needed!

Best regards,

NAYEONnaise

Edited January 16, 2022 by NAYEONnaise

[Thatz 635]

Open for Discussion 
(Thank you for making the changes that were asked of)

Edited January 16, 2022 by Thatz

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

10 hours ago, Thatz said:

After reviewing your suggestion I ask that you move the photos from the google drive onto the post itself.

Done!

[Thatz 635]

7 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

Done!

Close but I meant like inserting the photos into your post by either pasting the JPG or PNG link directly into your post or saving and dragging it into your post.
Adding the source below the photo is also great but not needed.
If you require assistance doing so feel free to ask and I will help out where I can.

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

7 hours ago, Thatz said:

Close but I meant like inserting the photos into your post by either pasting the JPG or PNG link directly into your post or saving and dragging it into your post.
Adding the source below the photo is also great but not needed.
If you require assistance doing so feel free to ask and I will help out where I can.

I tried uploading saved images, but it said that 1.264kb was the max size, which seems unrealistically small.

[Thatz 635]

1 hour ago, NAYEONnaise said:

I tried uploading saved images, but it said that 1.264kb was the max size, which seems unrealistically small.

Ah you probably hit the cap for uploads for your account. You can delete old photos/attachments. One way to get around this is posting the link directly to the images like "https . Somethingsomething .png" (ignore the spaces i just did that so a random photo wouldn't be inserted)

Can you try that if that doesn't work let me know /send me a few photos I'll insert them and then approve the post.

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

19 minutes ago, Thatz said:

Ah you probably hit the cap for uploads for your account. You can delete old photos/attachments. One way to get around this is posting the link directly to the images like "https . Somethingsomething .png" (ignore the spaces i just did that so a random photo wouldn't be inserted)

Also, have you tried to click on the pictures? It will send you to their image link, the same URL. (I've pasted the URL and I allowed it to automatically show as an image).

[Thatz 635]

15 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

Also, have you tried to click on the pictures? It will send you to their image link, the same URL. (I've pasted the URL and I allowed it to automatically show as an image).

Looks good, sorry I think I had a cache issue. photos are all there I will now edit my first response and open the post for discussion. Sorry about all the confusion and thank you for taking the time to modify your post. 

[eleks12 1,079]

I can't support the 2017 map of Marawi for a number of reasons. 1 It is based on a operation that was based on a Counter terrorist operation against ISIS. Which not only serves extreme contrerversy and no real meaning to War Thunder. A vehicle game mind you. But 2nd of all. It can cause legal trouble with the law in multiple countries like the Phillipines where this map takes place or Russia where ISIS is in the same boat as the Nazies where you still can't casually show case the Swastika. There is a reason why Russian Forum users are saying ''Warning Swastika''. If you're suggestion was about WW2 Marawi Then i could support you. But for the Anti ISIS Operation just No. - 1

Edited January 17, 2022 by eleks12

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

23 hours ago, eleks12 said:

I can't support the 2017 map of Marawi for a number of reasons. 1 It is based on a operation that was based on a Counter terrorist operation against ISIS. Which not only serves extreme contrerversy and no real meaning to War Thunder. A vehicle game mind you. But 2nd of all. It can cause legal trouble with the law in multiple countries like the Phillipines where this map takes place or Russia where ISIS is in the same boat as the Nazies where you still can't casually show case the Swastika. There is a reason why Russian Forum users are saying ''Warning Swastika''. If you're suggestion was about WW2 Marawi Then i could support you. But for the Anti ISIS Operation just No. - 1

Then, no flag can just be shown. The majority of war thunder maps do, too. 

 

Besides, I am from the philippines and no, this event isn't censored here.

Edited January 18, 2022 by NAYEONnaise

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

21 hours ago, eleks12 said:

I can't support the 2017 map of Marawi for a number of reasons. 1 It is based on a operation that was based on a Counter terrorist operation against ISIS. Which not only serves extreme contrerversy and no real meaning to War Thunder. A vehicle game mind you. But 2nd of all. It can cause legal trouble with the law in multiple countries like the Phillipines where this map takes place or Russia where ISIS is in the same boat as the Nazies where you still can't casually show case the Swastika. There is a reason why Russian Forum users are saying ''Warning Swastika''. If you're suggestion was about WW2 Marawi Then i could support you. But for the Anti ISIS Operation just No. - 1

‘IF LIBERTY MEANS ANYTHING AT ALL, IT MEANS THE RIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR’ 

 

Eric Arthur Blair

 

Censoring history because it could be offensive is exactly the reason why those ideologies come back to life. It's just a bloody video game map. +1 from me nonetheless

[eleks12 1,079]

2 hours ago, Wilhuff_Tarkin_ said:

‘IF LIBERTY MEANS ANYTHING AT ALL, IT MEANS THE RIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR’ 

 

Eric Arthur Blair

 

Censoring history because it could be offensive is exactly the reason why those ideologies come back to life. It's just a bloody video game map. +1 from me nonetheless

We are not discussing rather or not this is about Freedom of speech. But rather what it would provide any meaningfull content to War Thunder. Again a military vehicle focused game. If you want to have a anti terror operation in a game mostly focused on Special Forces on foot ( i know they used LAV's ). Then try to suggest it to the Enlisted Dev team. But again you Will discovers that in alot of countries outside the West has very strict hate speech laws. ( Renember Gaijin is mostly a Russian Company). Then the only thing i can suggest to you guys is to ask people who make games like ''Squad'' to add it into those games. But Even Squad has Terrorist organisation cencored for legal matters. Other than that i see it pretty much impossible to add. 

Edited January 18, 2022 by eleks12

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

We literally have fake cosmodrom map at this point. I don't think this map should be a priority but sometimes in the future. I just don't see connection to terrorism. It's a map not a storyline driven sinleplayer game with fanatic symbolism. ther's no shortage of terrorists in Syria and yet we have several Syrian maps in game. 

 

We should focus on historical scenarios and maps first i agree with that. My point about about censorship was only to emphasise my general dissatisfaction with obsessive obstruction of reality in modern media. 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Wilhuff_Tarkin_

[Thatz 635]

I think people should have the right to suggest anything as long as it fits the cretia we ask for as a suggestion if they want a Sydney Australia map etc they could suggest it. Suggestions are just about letting the player base voice their wishes/thoughts/opinions. Regardless of the combat or what happened they were also just suggesting the map for the city layout, the atmosphere etc.

 

I agree having historically accurate maps that were of notable tank battles are awesome, but it shouldn't stop player from being able to suggest other locations/maps.

 

These are just my thoughts as a player of war thunder (my thoughts/opinion might not be what everybody else believes but I thought I'd voice it regardless)

[eleks12 1,079]

2 hours ago, Thatz said:

I think people should have the right to suggest anything as long as it fits the cretia we ask for as a suggestion if they want a Sydney Australia map etc they could suggest it. Suggestions are just about letting the player base voice their wishes/thoughts/opinions. Regardless of the combat or what happened they were also just suggesting the map for the city layout, the atmosphere etc.

 

I agree having historically accurate maps that were of notable tank battles are awesome, but it shouldn't stop player from being able to suggest other locations/maps.

 

These are just my thoughts as a player of war thunder (my thoughts/opinion might not be what everybody else believes but I thought I'd voice it regardless)

 

I am not saying that maps with a contreversial setting should not be allowed to be suggested ( granted i also have contreversial suggestions ). And i am also not saying that Ahistorical maps is something im opposed. which i am not. i Love Alaska and American Desert etc.

 

What i am saying is that i don't support the suggestion due what the map is about. If it was about WW2 Dansalan/Marawi. Then i would have supported it.

[霧 丹爪モ匕口丂 靄 466]

I was actually thinking of a Singapore Map, but this would do it too 

Any ASEAN country island map would be perfect, a big +1 from me

[hienapunk 1,064]

We could really use a lot more non-western themed urban maps.

[oom1992 649]

This map ground EC size bigger 64*64 km ?

[CokeSpray 7,272]

Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.