Aircraft/Loadouts Ju 88 A-4 should have access to nose-mounted 20mm and various other loadouts

[TT33a 5,404]

Correct the in-game bomb load in accordance with the wartime Ju 88 A-4 manual by implementing the following configurations:


28 x 50 kg
6 x 250 kg
1 x 1,800 kg
4 x 500 kg
2 x 1,000 kg
2 x 1,400 kg
2 x 1,000 kg + 2 x 500 kg
28 x 50 kg + 6 x 250 kg
28 x 50 kg + 2 x 500 kg
10 x 50 kg
10 x 50 kg + 4 x 250 kg
10 x 50 kg + 6 x 250 kg
10 x 50 kg + 1 x 500 kg
10 x 50 kg + 1 x 1,000 kg
1 x 1,000 kg
2 x 500 kg
4 x 250 kg
1 x 1,400 kg
1 x 500 kg
2 x Torpedo

















Edited June 16, 2014 by TT33a

[Rautaa 5,801]

Thank you for the report!  :salute:

 

I actually think this might work better as a suggestion. I'll move it to that section for now.  :yes:

[Sanya_v_Litvyak 1,008]

Very good, Lots of evidence and examples.. wonderful +1

[Botan 7,952]

2 x 1,400 kg

 

Interesting, very interesting.

[TT33a 5,404]

Correct the in-game armament in accordance with the wartime Ju 88 A-4 manual by implementing the following weapons:

 

1 x MG 81 forward fixed or free mounted (pilot)
2 x MG 81 in dorsal rear (radio operator/rear gunner)
2 x MG 15 in side (radio operator/rear gunner)
1 x MG 81z or MG 131 in ventral rear (navigator/ventral gunner)
1 x MG 81, MG 131, or MG FF forward (bombardier)

Edited June 16, 2014 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,404]

Edited June 16, 2014 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,404]

Correct the in-game performance to match the wartime Ju 88 A-4 manual by rectifying the erroneously slow speed currently found in the game:








Edited July 17, 2014 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,404]

I actually think this might work better as a suggestion.

Did I misunderstand something? The aircraft in this game is nerfed and not conforming with its manual in every way possible therefor this is a bug report and not a suggestion...

[Rautaa 5,801]

Did I misunderstand something? The aircraft in this game is nerfed and not conforming with its manual in every way possible therefor this is a bug report and not a suggestion...

 

As far as FM is concerned, the Ju 88 A-4 is indeed underperforming. However, considering how many aircraft are missing a part of, or most of their possible loadouts, it's a bit more complicated. A Ju 88 A-4 can be, and could be operated with the current loadouts available, so in that sense it's not bugged.

 

Anyways, I hope to see these loadout options made available some day, and suggestions like this will improve those odds.

[TT33a 5,404]

A Ju 88 A-4 can be, and could be operated with the current loadouts available, so in that sense it's not bugged

How so? Out of all the current possible loadouts available in the game the only ones that are actually correct are:
[4 x 250 kg]
[2 x 500 kg]

All of the remaining loadout choices are bugged as they include or state 20 x 50 kg. Eight missing bombs is a big bug. The craft's manual excerpts in the original post above clearly state [28 x 50 kg] or [28 x 50 kg + 6 x 250 kg] or [28 x 50 kg + 2 x 500 kg]. The pilot's operated MG 81 weapon and other missing armament for defense also speaks for itself. Edited June 16, 2014 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,404]

Edited July 18, 2014 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,404]

Edited July 18, 2014 by TT33a

[Polaco97 1,353]

And the model need a new 3D model, c'mon, that engines aren't rounded, and the front gun is placed inside the glass, how does it will move?

[Rautaa 5,801]

Moved to further discussion.  :salute:

[TT33a 5,404]

Moved to further discussion.  :salute:

Rautaa, should I post similar information dealing with the He 111 H-16 onto the end of this thread or should I continue to wait for my He 111 H-16 thread to be approved? I submitted it about a week ago under → Moderated Bug Reports → Moderated Bug Reports - Windows → Flight and Damage Model Issues and it has yet to be approved...

[Nebelfeuer 1,424]

Moved to further discussion.  :salute:

Not sure if it is simply protocol but where do you see need for discussion if documents are provided?

Given the current state I would also be tempted to call it a false=buggy implementation of the aircraft.

Anyhow, hope to see it implemented correctly.

[Rautaa 5,801]

Not sure if it is simply protocol but where do you see need for discussion if documents are provided?

 

Threads moved to this section do not get archived, and are generally considered more complete. However, they are still locked, so discussion is still possible. The name of the section isn't perfect, I admit, but it works.

[Ulatersk 8,959]

Well, this is a wonderfull work, I posted a bug report on JU 88 A-4 with only 3rd party sources some time ago. +1

[Hadur4 2,108]

good job! +1

[TT33a 5,404]

2 x MG 131 in rear dorsal position as alternative two the 2 x MG 81:


Edited July 6, 2014 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,404]

[TT33a 5,404]

Edited July 14, 2014 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,404]

Missing torpedos:

[TT33a 5,404]

Interior view of missing cockpit weapon:

[FireSammy 53]

I fully agree and support all suggested/reported issues considering the Ju 88 A-4!!! + Any other realistic improvements to all German bombers already in the game. We need these updates and "Rustsaz" upgrades available + ammo improvements, especially for the 13mm's!!! It would be most welcome to see even new bomber variants to the German line, but not if these same problems remain neglected.

Just had 9 x defeat in a row this morning flying this plane in RB, tier II... Highly depressing and demoralizing! Rage quit, and came to rant here.... Among other planes, but especially the F2A's shooting nukes at me, and one of them actually made my plane completely explode to peace's with just two bursts from close range. And of course my 13mm gunners could not do anything about it... The only working gun on the plane is the single Mg 81j in the nose.... I would pay real money to be able to get MG 81's all around my plane as the armament options shown above, and throw the goddamn useless 13mm's out the window, if it really is impossible to "fix them"...!!

 

British and American 12.7mm gunners are able to snipe up to + 1.000m ranges and the German can hardly scratch a paintjob from 100m's... THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE! It's totally incredible that Gaijin absolutely refuses to do anything about this and continues telling people that the 13mm's 750m/s muzzle velocity is the reason, why the German gunners are so weak... Well for crying out loud, how on earth 100m/s difference to the American 12.7mm 850m/s is somehow equal to 99% difference at all ranges???

I repeat: Smaller cartridge and less muzzle velocity would only mean less RECOIL = MORE ACCURACY but less range!!! But 700 > 750m's muzzle velocity is NOT 99% less efficiency considering impact/mass force compared to 850m/s muzzle velocity! Not even mentioning about the AMMO!!!

The American 50cal's were not precision weapons to longer ranges EXACTLY because of the higher muzzle velocity + bigger cartridge = more RECOIL = more dispersion, but provided a bigger force/punch IF they hit anything. And they were mostly using AP, API and IT ammo + having fairly low rate of fire (RPM) = Would need more guns to compensate as they did. The Germans were using way more effective ammo, like HE for both 7.9mm's and the 13mm weapons and made their weapons more precise and having clearly higher rate of fire (RPM). They also had very efficient incendiary ammo and highly advanced variations for them, compared to most allied counterparts. People have posted stuff about these things for ages and it is still being bypassed continuously. That is extremely annoying and frustrating. Personally, i will not give this game a single euro, before i see some improvements done, and will have to look for other games to play as this is getting too goddamn annoying for me.

I repeat: Rage quitting for today!