Aircraft/Loadouts de Havilland Venom / Sea Venom / SNCASE Aquilon

[SubRyan 5,556]

So the previous thread for the Venom was gone and I would like to create a new one to emphasize the fact that a fast British jet is in dire need once 1.39 arrives as Britain will be the last nation without a Korean Era jet.

 

Specifications (Venom FB.1)

 

The Venom, originally known as the Vampire FB.8, was designed to specification F.15/49 as an interim replacement for the Vampire fighter-bombers, pending the late introduction of Hunters and Swifts to the RAF. In fact the Supermarine Swift proved almost totally unsatisfactory, and the Hawker Hunter did not make a suitable ground attack aircraft until the FGA.9 entered service. Therefore, Venoms served more widely and remained in operation much longer than anticipated, the final ones being retired from active duties in Switzerland in August 1983. Although the Venom had the same basic layout as the Vampire, it differed in a number of significant aspects. Power came from a 4,850 lb thrust Ghost 103 engine, and to take advantage of this a new wing was designed with a leading edge sweepback of 17° 6', and the thickness/chord ratio reduced from 14% to 10%. The wing trailing edge was straight and the structure was stressed for the installation of a pair of 75 gallon wing tip tanks in addition to the underwing stores positions, allowing full combat maneuvering while full. The wing tip tanks were not jettisonable in flight, but were an optional fit if required.

• General characteristics
  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 31 ft 10 in (9.70 m)
  • Wingspan: 41 ft 8 in (12.70 m)
  • Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
  • Wing area: 279 ft² (25.9 m²)
  • Empty weight: 9,202 lb (4,173 kg)
  • Max. takeoff weight: 15,400 lb (7,000 kg)
  • Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Ghost 103 turbojet, 4,850 lbf (21.6 kN)
• Performance
  • Maximum speed: 640 mph (556 kn, 1,030 km/h)
  • Range: 1,080 mi (934 nmi, 1,730 km)
  • Service ceiling: 39,400 ft (12,000 m)
  • Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min (45.7 m/s)
  • Wing loading: 56.17 lb/ft² (274.2 kg/m²)
  • Thrust / weight: 0.41
• Armament
  • Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon
  • Rockets: 8× RP-3 "60 lb" (27 kg) rockets, or
  • Bombs: 2× 1000 lb MC bombs

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Specifications (Venom NF.2 / NF.2A)

 

The two-seat Venom NF.2 was developed by de Havilland from the single-seat Venom, in a similar way to the early Vampire night fighter from the Vampire fighter-bomber. The Venom Wings, tail and engine installation were retained, but a new fuselage nacelle was designed to accommodate a pilot and observer side-by-side, and the AI radar was located in the lengthened nose. The prototype, G-5-3, was produced as a private venture by de Havilland, and was flown by John Derry from Hatfield for the first time on 22 August 1950, powered by a 4,8501b thrust Ghost 103 engine. Due to a high accident rate from squadrons flying NF.2's an effort was made to overcome these difficulties. The surviving NF.2's were fitted with jettisonable clear view canopies and improvements to the controls including modified fins and rudders as developed during the trials programme. These aircraft were known as NF.2A's.

• General characteristics
  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 33 ft 1 in (10.08 m)
  • Wingspan: 42 ft 11 in (12.83 m)
  • Height: 7 ft 7 in (2.31 m)
  • Wing area: 279 ft² (25.9 m²)
  • Empty weight: 
  • Max. takeoff weight: 15,400 lb (7,000 kg)
  • Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Ghost 103 turbojet, 4,850 lbf (21.6 kN)
• Performance
  • Maximum speed: 640 mph (556 kn, 1,030 km/h)
  • Range: 1,080 mi (934 nmi, 1,730 km)
  • Service ceiling: 39,400 ft (12,000 m)
  • Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min (45.7 m/s)
  • Wing loading: 56.17 lb/ft² (274.2 kg/m²)
  • Thrust / weight: 0.41
• Armament
  • Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon

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Specifications (Venom NF.3)

 

The Venom NF.3 incorporated the NF.2A improvements in a new production aircraft in addition to having power operated ailerons, a wholly inset tailplane and improved AI radar. There were still no ejector seats fitted. The prototype NF3, WV928. made its first flight on 22 February 1953 and was followed by 128 production aircraft commencing WX875, 19 from Christchurch, 86 from Chester and 23 from Hatfield.

• General characteristics
  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 36 ft 7 in (11.15 m)
  • Wingspan: 42 ft 11 in (13.81 m)
  • Height: 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m)
  • Wing area: 279 ft² (25.9 m²)
  • Empty weight: 
  • Max. takeoff weight: 15,800 lb (7,167 kg)
  • Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Ghost 104 turbojet, 4,950 lbf (22 kN)
• Performance
  • Maximum speed: 630 mph (1,014 km/h)
  • Range: 1,000 mi (934 nmi, 1,730 km)
  • Service ceiling: 49,200 ft (14,996 m)
  • Rate of climb: 8,762 ft/min (44.51 m/s)
  • Wing loading: 56.17 lb/ft² (274.2 kg/m²)
  • Thrust / weight:
• Armament
  • Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon

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Specifications (Sea Venom FAW.20)

 

The Sea Venom was an adaptation of the Venom night fighter airframe intended to achieve the best possible performance out of the design, as an interim naval all-weather fighter to fill the gap between the piston-engined Sea Hornet and the introduction of the more sophisticated Sea Vixen. The original prototype Venom NF.2, WP227, was evaluated by the Fleet Air Arm, and as a result Specification N.107 was issued for a ship-based all-weather fighter resulting in the Sea Venom. The most obvious changes included the provision of upward-folding wings at about half chord to save stowage space on the carrier, a V-frame arrester hook normally stowed above the jet pipe, and the pick-up hooks for the catapult strops. Power came from a 4,850 lb thrust Ghost 103 engine.

 

Three prototypes were ordered, the first two, WK376 and WK379, being built in the Experimental Department at Hatfield, and the third, WK385, at Christchurch. WK376 first flew from Hatfield on 19 April 1951 and was delivered one month later to the A&AEE at Boscombe Down; it commenced carrier trials on 9 July from HMS Illustrious. The second aircraft was delivered to Boscombe on 19 September 1952, while the third prototype was the first to be fitted with folding wings and made its first flight from Christchurch on 26 July 1952. Production then commenced at Christchurch and Chester. The first aircraft, WM500, flew on 27 March 1953 from Christchurch and was initially allocated to company trials. It was followed by WM501 and WM502 which were both used for control assessment at the A&AEE in mid-1954. WM503 and WM507 to WM510 were all used for development flying at Christchurch and WM504 was flown on further deck trials by day and night in October and November 1953

• General characteristics
  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 33 ft 1 in (10.08 m)
  • Wingspan: 42 ft 11 in (13.08 m)
  • Height: 7 ft 7 in (2.31 m)
  • Wing area: 279 ft² (25.9 m²)
  • Empty weight: 
  • Max. takeoff weight: 15,400 lb (7,000 kg)
  • Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Ghost 103 turbojet, 4,850 lbf (21.6 kN)
• Performance
  • Maximum speed: 630 mph (1,014 km/h)
  • Range: 1,000 mi (934 nmi, 1,730 km)
  • Service ceiling: 49,200 ft (14,996 m)
  • Rate of climb: 8,762 ft/min (44.51 m/s)
  • Wing loading: 56.17 lb/ft² (274.2 kg/m²)
  • Thrust / weight:
• Armament
  • Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon

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Specifications (SNCASE Aquilon 201)

 

As with the Vampire fighter-bombers, the French Government adopted the Sea Venom and modified the type for its needs as the Aquilon. Licence production commenced with Sud Aviation at Marignane near Marseilles with four prototypes to the Sea Venom FAW20 standard, followed by a fifth improved single prototype, known as the Aquilon 201. This was used as the prototype for the Aquilon 202, changes including the installation of ejector seats, a rearward sliding canopy and a strengthened landing gear.

 

The license production run of the Aquilon 201 resulted in 25 planes being built before production moved to Aquilon 202's

• General characteristics
  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 36 ft 7 in (11.17 m)
  • Wingspan: 42 ft 10 in (13.07 m)
  • Height: 8 ft 6 in (2.60 m)
  • Wing area: 279 ft² (25.9 m²)
  • Empty weight: 9,202 lb (4,174 kg)
  • Max. takeoff weight: 20,834 lb (9,450 kg)
  • Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Ghost 48 turbojet, 4,840 lbf (21.53 kN)
• Performance
  • Maximum speed: 581 mph ( 935 km/h)
  • Range: 1,080 mi (934 nmi, 1,730 km)
  • Service ceiling: 48,000 ft (14,630 m)
  • Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min (45.7 m/s)
  • Wing loading: 56.17 lb/ft² (274.2 kg/m²)
  • Thrust / weight: 0.41
• Armament
  • Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon
  • Rockets: 8× HVAR

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Specifications (SNCASE Aquilon 202)

 

The licence production consisted of 25 Aquilon 201's, generally similar to the Sea Venom FAW.20, 25 Aquilon 202's and 40 Aquilon 203's. A small number of the Aquilon 201 were later modified to become two-seat all-weather fighter trainers as the Aquilon 204. The first Aquilon made its maiden flight from Marignane on 31 October 1952 and production aircraft equipped three flotillas with the French Navy.

• General characteristics
  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 36 ft  5 in (11.14 m)
  • Wingspan: 41 ft 8 in (12.70 m)
  • Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
  • Wing area: 279 ft² (25.9 m²)
  • Empty weight: 9,202 lb (4,173 kg)
  • Max. takeoff weight: 15,400 lb (7,000 kg)
  • Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Ghost 48 turbojet, 4,840 lbf (21.53 kN)
• Performance
  • Maximum speed: 581 mph ( 935 km/h)
  • Range: 1,080 mi (934 nmi, 1,730 km)
  • Service ceiling: 32.808 ft (10,000 m)
  • Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min (45.7 m/s)
  • Wing loading: 56.17 lb/ft² (274.2 kg/m²)
  • Thrust / weight: 0.41
• Armament
  • Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon
  • Rockets: 8× HVAR

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Reference: de Havilland Vampire, Venom, and Sea Vixen by Philip Birtles

Edited March 6, 2014 by SubRyan

[leroyonly 4,311]

even though its on The British techtree project that was send to development I will leave this open for discussion.

[Crag_r 8,620]

I would be somewhat against the SNCASE Aquilon 201 considering it was just a single prototype. But the 202 is quite logical.

 

 

even though its on The British techtree project that was send to development I will leave this open for discussion.

Which aircraft exactly were sent though?

[SubRyan 5,556]

I would be somewhat against the SNCASE Aquilon 201 considering it was just a single prototype. But the 202 is quite logical.

 

It is not worded well but 25 Aquilon 201's were built. I should have made it more clear that a single Aquilon 201 airframe was used as a prototype for the Aquilon 202

[leroyonly 4,311]

I would be somewhat against the SNCASE Aquilon 201 considering it was just a single prototype. But the 202 is quite logical.

 

 

Which aircraft exactly were sent though?

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the venom FB 1 and the sea venom FW 20

added the tech tree they made if you want to take a look

[SubRyan 5,556]

Now that 1.39 is out, it is becoming evident that Britain needs a faster jet

[HyJetV 3,063]

Venoms, lots of em, pl0x

[Kempston 342]

well I'd say have 'em. But, others may be unhappy about it because there's a hate thing going on for the vampire at the moment and adding more will please them no end

[Polaco97 1,353]

C'mon, this Jet could be good....awesome. But its so ugly D:

[Kempston 342]

I wouldn't say ugly. Beautiful in their own way. ;)s

[Blitzkrieguk 6,682]

Piss off they are ugly. Venom like the Vampire is a cute little bugger! Look at it!

 

Venom would be a fantastic addition to the British line, and would make grabbing the Vampire more valuable. 

[Crag_r 8,620]

Piss off they are ugly. Venom like the Vampire is a cute little bugger! Look at it!

 

Venom would be a fantastic addition to the British line, and would make grabbing the Vampire more valuable. 

 

I dunno, the CAC Vampires are pretty good looking

[Blitzkrieguk 6,682]

Love the Vampires, Venom's and Vixen's, they are cute little machines. Gib Venom!

[SubRyan 5,556]

well I'd say have 'em. But, others may be unhappy about it because there's a hate thing going on for the vampire at the moment and adding more will please them no end

 

How can anyone hate the Vampire? It is performing exactly like how it is supposed to now even though it remains overtiered (MiG-9 at 7 and Vampire at 7.7, wtf)

[SubRyan 5,556]

Welp, the Sea Venom FAW.20 is now on the release tree. I was hoping for the NF.2A :(

[Lassar 9,736]

I think, I should write it again. 
We will have several variants of venom in the end

[Crag_r 8,620]

Awesome! :3

 

There better be a RAN skin there somewhere  :Ds

[HyJetV 3,063]

I think, I should write it again. 
We will have several variants of venom in the end

Lassar best dev 2k14

 

All hail Lassar, restoring the playerbase's faith in Gaijin 

Edited June 26, 2014 by HeartBreak1

[Blitzkrieguk 6,682]

Lassar best dev 2k14

 

All hail Lassar, restoring the playerbase's faith in Gaijin 

 

Need picture of Lessar on the side of my Sea Jesus. 

[HyJetV 3,063]

Im guessing Sea jesus is the forum name for sea venom? 

[Blitzkrieguk 6,682]

Im guessing Sea jesus is the forum name for sea venom? 

 

No for the Sea Meteor F.3. Because when it use to fight the evil Me163, it was the only thing that could just about stand up to it which made it righteous!

Edited June 26, 2014 by Blitzkrieguk

[HyJetV 3,063]

No for the Sea Meteor F.3. Because when it use to fight the evil Me163, it was the only thing that could just about stand up to it which made it righteous!

 

We need two Christmas days now, one for Jesus, and one for sea jesus.

[Vandalko 0]

I think that Sea Venom is must-have for British tech-tree:

Why Venom ? Because next-generation Vampire would be a perfect addition to the Meteor-only line (actually, there would be new bomber soon, but dunno how soon....)

Why Sea Venom ? Because I believe that naval fights would be available soon (about year or two for a first closed alpha) and we have to expand naval aircrafts line 

[Blitzkrieguk 6,682]

The Venom FB 1 or the Sea Venom won't be going into the Meteor line. 

[Rautaa 5,801]

The Sea Venom (and possible variants confirmed by Lassar) are on the new British research tree.  :salute: