Aircraft/Loadouts Adding the M.D.450B? "Dassault Ouragan

[MiG_23M 1,684]

The Me 262 is no longer outclassed, and the french need a jet, so I assume everyone would look towards this as a short answer, this would work best as a french 8.0 BR jet.

 

 

 

Pics:

 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Ouragan   This is the main pic on the wiki page

-http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_md450_en.php

Wikipedia information:

Specifications (M.D.450B)[edit]

Data from ^[11] & ^[12]

General characteristics

• Crew: One
• Length: 10.73 m (35 ft 2 in)
• Wingspan: 13.16 m (43 ft 2 in)
• Height: 4.14 m (13 ft 7 in)
• Wing area: 23.8 m² (256.2 ft²)
• Aspect ratio: 7.3:1
• Empty weight: 4 142 kg (9,132 lb)
• Loaded weight: 7 404 kg (16,323 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 7 900 kg (17,416 lb)
• Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Nene 104B turbojet, 22.2 kN (4,990 lbf)

Performance

• Never exceed speed: Mach 0.83
• Maximum speed: 940 km/h (508 knots, 584 mph) (Mach 0.76) at sea level
• Cruise speed: 750 km/h (405 knots, 465 mph)
• Combat radius: 450 km (245 nm, 280 mi)
• Ferry range: 920 km (500 nm, 570 mi)
• Service ceiling: 13 000 m (42,650 ft)
• Rate of climb: 38 m/s (7,480 ft/min)
• Takeoff distance: 783 m (2,570 ft)
• Landing distance: 910 m (2,985 ft)

Armament

• Guns: 4× 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon with 125 rounds per gun
• Rockets: 16× 105 mm (4.1 in) Brandt T-10 air-to-ground unguided rockets; or, 2× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
• Bombs: 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) of payload on four external hardpoints, including a variety of unguided iron bombs such as 2× 454 kg (1,000 lb) bombs or 2× 458 liter (121 US gallon)napalm bombs or Drop tanks for extended range.

 

Info from other websites: 

Origins and context

The end of the Second World War caught France lagging far behind on the piston-engine front. Its inroads in the budding field of jet engines, however, leveled the playing field with other countries. The winners, in fact, were keen on the breakthroughs Germany – a pioneer in that technology – had achieved. French specialists sent to the United States and Great Britain advocated for catching up by working alongside those countries and then embarking on strictly national projects. The Ministry of the Air, however, wanted to develop a French-designed aircraft right away.
France’s aeronautical industry started aiming high. Engineering departments worked on literally hundreds of civil and military projects, encompassing just about everything from training planes to transoceanic-transport aircraft, and from lightweight fighter planes to heavyweight bombers – with myriad prototypes for each one.

Marcel Dassault believed he could play a role in the jet aircraft segment, and the Ministry of the Air allowed him to bid on an interceptor fighter plane competition. He saw that as an opportunity – and to seize it, he understood, he needed to stay clear of unrealistic targets.

Ouragan

This aircraft’s first drawings came out in October 1947. On December 30, Marcel Dassault signed the first contract to design, build and deliver three interceptor fighter planes. The prototype’s construction began on April 7, 1948, only six months after the first sketches were put on paper.
Reviving the standards of the Bloch aircraft from the years just before the war, and drawing on experience gained on the MB 150 series of fighters and its derivatives, the small Dassault team designed the simplest airframe possible: a small aircraft, light, inexpensive and as effective as the engine would allow.
The wing was fixed under the fuselage in such a way as to allow the articulated landing gear to be mounted underneath. The gear retracted laterally into the wingroot (for the struts) and under the fuselage (for the wheels). The fuselage, fully circular in cross-section, was designed around a pitot head frontal air intake (for optimal in-take with no boundary parasite layer) ; it contained a double air duct running either side of the pilot’s bucket seat, fuel tanks and a chamber for the Nene jet engine. The cockpit was pressurized, as the aircraft was designed to climb to 39,000 ft. The fuselage carried all the stabilizers (vertical and horizontal, the latter being effectively placed high on the rudder, and thus well clear of the slipstream from the low-slung wing).

The Ouragan prototype MD 450 01, piloted by Kostia Rozanoff, made its maiden flight at Melun-Villaroche on February 28, 1949. The team at Dassault had managed to turn the project into reality in only 18 months.
The satisfactory results from tests at the State’s flight test center led air authorities to order 12 pre-production aircraft on August 31, 1949. That way, they could count on a large enough fleet to fine-tune the operational aspects, which included carrying and delivering air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons, and running the Air Force’s various trials. The contract was signed on 15 December 1949. Those aircraft were produced in Dassault’s plants outside Paris, and to assess the scale of jet-powered aviation.

In August 1950, while the Ouragan was in development, the French parliament adopted a five-year plan (for 1951 to 1955) including a fixed aviation program. The worsening international political climate (Korea war) speeded up the decision-making process. On August 31, 1950, the Secretariat of State for Aviation ordered 150 Ouragans, an order which was subsequently raised to 450, only to be reduced to 100 in 1952, in preference for the Mystère II. American military aid (MDAP) to Western Europe, thanks to “off-shore” contracts, covered the funding of 185 aircraft.
On January 8, 1951, The French National Assembly passed a rearmament law stepping up military investment in general and aeronautical investment in particular. In that scheme, jet aviation was prominent.

The first production-standard aircraft Ouragan flew at Mérignac on December 20, 1951, piloted by Kostia Rozanoff. Dassault shared production with different state-owned aircraft manufacturers, and the final assembly took place in Dassault’s facility in Mérignac. The first Air Force unit to be equipped with the aircraft was, in November 1952, the 12th Cambrai Wing. This was the Air Force’ first jet aircraft to be designed and produced in France. For two years (1955 and 1956), the Ouragan was the aircraft of the Patrouille de France aerobatics.
In 1953 France exported combat aircraft for the first time since the 1930s. On June 25, India ordered 71 Ouragans, wich they renamed Toofani (Typhoons). The order was later raised to 113 aircraft. The following year, Israel bought 24. These products were taken from those initially intended for the French Air Force, which was very convenient is that this enabled the Air Force to replace them with more recent aircraft from the Mystère series.

MD 450-30L

On February 18, 1950, Marcel Dassault signed a contract to provide a night fighter, the MB 451. This two-seater was to be equipped with nose-cone radar, which meant that lateral air intakes would be required.
To test the new air intakes, the front of the Ouragan nº 11 was modified. The aircraft, under the new name MD 450-30 L, first flew at Melun-Villaroche on January 24, 1952, with Charles Monier at the controls.
The increase in weight combined with the absence of radar motivated the Corporation to focus its efforts on a more advanced model from the same range, the MD 453 Mystère de Nuit.

The paragraphs above are from: http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/md-450-ouragan/

 

This is why I believe this aircraft should be added to the game and I hope it can make it.

Edited May 26, 2015 by Coolman7976

[leroyonly 4,311]

open for discussion

[Mai_Waffentrager 9,657]

I dont see why Gaijin doesnt just give france their own tree and add this for tier 5. 

[Hail_DM33 619]

i say yes as part of the UK tree, French tree to skinny on its own at the moment. I mean yeah, p36, db 7, d 520,  d 521, but then where? its just too small at the moment. Include them with the brits, and spread the jet BRs a bit. me 262, vampire, f84, venom, la 15 and this would be great

Edited November 6, 2014 by nathanieljr

[Naam54673 1,537]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWizDna1XO4

 

Please make a suggestion for the Mystère ,all 3 models are within the timeline.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

I'll say yes, once the French get their tech tree (hence why I voted "maybe").

 

 

I dont see why Gaijin doesnt just give france their own tree and add this for tier 5. 

 

Well...there's kind-of the bit about France being occupied between 1940 and 1944, which means that finding candidates for aircraft at ranks 3 and 4 will be somewhat difficult unless one resorts to prototypes and paper projects, which I don't have a problem with myself, but there's some very vocal haters of anything non-production around here, even when such things are necessary (another example being Japanese Tanks when they're finally added, which will REQUIRE limited-production, prototype and paper projects to have anything at all past rank early rank 2).

 

Now, the Italians, on the other hand...well...Gaijin's just been dragging their feet with Italy, even though Italy has more than enough production aircraft to make a full tech tree.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Z3r0_

[DecentTawnk 147]

I think we should have this in game but ONLY when France is added, adding France might be tricky tho....

[Mai_Waffentrager 9,657]

Japan has enough tanks to fill tier 3 through 5 that were made or prototyped.


But yeah I see our point on the French. But who knows, hopefully gaijin will find a way eventually.

[II_RED_II 6,672]

we kinda need a French tree first ...

[Hail_DM33 619]

we kinda need a French tree first ...

it can go in the british tree for now, i see no reason to have issue with this...

other french planes  go in the british tree atm, so why the fuss with this one? they will be fighting on the same side anyway

[anto_shturmovik 185]

I'll say yes, once the French get their tech tree (hence why I voted "maybe").

 

 

 

Well...there's kind-of the bit about France being occupied between 1940 and 1944, which means that finding candidates for aircraft at ranks 3 and 4 will be somewhat difficult unless one resorts to prototypes and paper projects.

 

First, the Héritage des Cigognes project showed that there were more than enough planes to make a full tech tree, without relying too heavily on prototypes. And I also suggested using lend-lease planes to fill the gap.

 

As for the Ouragan : Yes, of course. As a premium for now (in the UK tree), then in an independent French tree. And then the premium RAF Ouragan could be made Israeli.

[Gahlok12 457]

I would love to see this in game you have me support

[MiG_23M 1,684]

I would love to see this in game you have me support

Thanks :^)

[Kocyra 5,742]

When a french tech tree is added, This will be a good 7.0 BR jet.

[Hail_DM33 619]

doesnt need a separate tech tree atm. put it in the british line for now

[MiG_23M 1,684]

lol when did people become so quiet, this post has died down, anyone want this added or is it a waste? lol 1up this so the dev's will notice! It would give the British a GOOD top tier jet!

[Umbriellan 2,986]

I don't want more "exiled french aircraft".

 

Give the french tree first.

We have the matter + D.520 (1938) is fighting above Berlin in 1945 against Yak-9 and other pretty end-war fighters.

=> then we have already some era II with a BR for era III.

 

Everything is fine with our era III in that way.

[GuiRitter 694]

I fully support this! (Sorry for the bump; I don't know why I didn't saw this when it was posted)

[Dgamax 72]

it'll be so awesome :)

I saw an Ouragan last year at Dassault Mérignac, very massive :o

[MiG_23M 1,684]

I just want this thing to be in-game, I probably won't even research it, but i'd like to see the expanse of the game.

[Platnumsniper 423]

i say yes as part of the UK tree, French tree to skinny on its own at the moment. I mean yeah, p36, db 7, d 520,  d 521, but then where? its just too small at the moment. Include them with the brits, and spread the jet BRs a bit. me 262, vampire, f84, venom, la 15 and this would be great

wait be careful where you are going with this idea of a french tree. The french had some of the ugliest aircraft in the world

 

like the SE 100 Heavy fighter

 

[igeticsu 3,400]

yes! But I thought the french tech tree got canceled? o.O

[Stuka_Hunter 3,408]

I support. +1

 

But isnt 125 rounds per gun a bit low?

[ustinodj 5,952]

There needs to be a French line in the British Tree (Re-named common-wealth maybe?) With the jet line going 

 

-Dassault Ouragan (Equal to F-80)

-Dassault Mystere I (Equal to F-86A)

-Dassault Mystere IIA (Equal to F-86F-25)

-Dassault Mystere IV (Equal to F-86F-2)

 

In fact it fits in so well I think we need this!

Edited May 26, 2015 by ustinodj

[GuiRitter 694]

I support. +1

 

But isnt 125 rounds per gun a bit low?

Not so much for 4 guns. Also, the Kikka can have a total of 100 rounds (30 mm) for 2 guns combined. Now that's low!

Edited May 26, 2015 by GuiRitter