Is M103 really a "HEAVY" tank?

[BlitzCross 147]

Just wondering where M103 gains its weight from?

 

M103 and IS4, almost the same weight, but M103 is slower (small engine) and its armor is much thinner. So what stuff do they put in M103? Friger, air condictioner or beers? 

 

 

[Artruis 5,271]

The armor module on M103 is wrong that's why.

[JulieBean 87]

Its filled with freedom

[Valqyrie 1,804]

It's bigger in terms of size but still something feels fishy.Armor is really weak.I'd pick a m46/m47 all the day rather than a m103.

[Optical_Ilyushin 5,554]

well for starters, the turret is kinda... large, or tall? I have a feeling that a lot of stress is placed on the chassis due to this, so you might have issues regarding suspension and transmission problems, is the chassis smaller than the IS-4?

[i_ivanof 7,084]

it's because of the size of the damn thing, it's huge. And all of the armour is concentrated on the front, it's in a curved shape of varying thickness, which is very hard to model properly and is why it's currently in a bugged state in warthunder. The IS-4, like most russian tanks, is very small and has its armour placed at very steep angles, which allows it to be cheaper to build, have better armour protection, a lower silhouette, a better power/weight ratio and thus better mobility than other tanks with similar performance, but this comes at the cost low gun depression and small internal space, which is why the reload rate is so slow and why a penetrating hit can easily take out the tank in one shot. 

Edited January 14, 2015 by i_ivanof

[VikernesVarg 1,525]

M-103 was classified as a heavy tank by gun and mobility (to some extent)

 

After 

Its Heavy Gun Tank M-103 after all, with its 120mm cannon.

 

90mm tanks=Medium

 

76mm tanks=Lights

[I_MIKE_I 7,651]

which is why the reload rate is so slow and why a penetrating hit can easily take out the tank in one shot. 

Should be =/= is.

[IAmFebz 1,588]

It's armor is bugged due to being hard to model, it's gun doesn't have correct penetration values, not having spalling modeled really screws over it's solid shot ammo and it's reload is longer than it should be. Fix all that and it'll be a great heavy. And maybe give it it's heat round.

Edited January 15, 2015 by IAmFebz

[i_ivanof 7,084]

Should be =/= is.

it has the same gun as the ISU-122s but reloads a whopping 7 seconds slower, it also has the 2nd slowest reload rate of all tier 5 tanks, after the ISU-152

 

and if you do manage to penetrate the IS-4, then it does die rather quickly

[I_MIKE_I 7,651]

it has the same gun as the ISU-122s but reloads a whopping 7 seconds slower, it also has the 2nd slowest reload rate of all tier 5 tanks, after the ISU-152

 

and if you do manage to penetrate the IS-4, then it does die rather quickly

At least when both are without a crew/modification/unresearched, it's 26s on ISU-122 and 27.1s on the Stalins.

 

The Jagdtiger, which by comparsion is gigantic, needs 26 seconds...

[thebeastman 25]

One thing I've noticed about the M103; the driver is supine - it was my understanding from "trusted sources" that the chieftain was the first tank to have a driver in a supine position rather than sat upright... the beak also looks a bit "chieftain" like too ;)

[Sakuzhi 7,023]

Just wondering where M103 gains its weight from?

 

M103 and IS4, almost the same weight, but M103 is slower (small engine) and its armor is much thinner. So what stuff do they put in M103? Friger, air condictioner or beers? 

 

 

 

Because the US Army went to a Classing system unlike others.

 

1) Light tanks are armed with 76mm Cannons

2) Medium tanks are Armed with 90mm Cannons

3) Heavy tanks are Armed with 120mm Cannons

 

^Was the classing system that the M103 was placed into.

 

That held for the M41, The M46/7/8 Pattons, and the M103.

 

Early/mid 1950s tank classes =/= WW2 ones.

[Meplat 360]

M103 interior shots and a cross section detail, from Hunnicutt's "Firepower".

Note the driver's seating.

 

 

 

(Apologies for the small image sizes. I can post them larger if needed.)

Edited February 18, 2015 by Meplat

[KnightCole 93]

M103 armor done right would pretty much be impenetrable in this game.....Is4m gun is what? 217pen at 500m?  M103 armor at its thinnest is like effective 190mm on its LFP, its UFP weakest point might be like 230mm effective...

 

ITs turret is 127 but sloped and slanted well, giving it really nice effective armor. 

[Nope 10,634]

Just like good old American cattle, M103s are fed nothing but the greasiest food in order to gain weight. Considering the amount of fat people in the US, obesity = freedom.

 

YOU CAN'T DENY MY LOGIC

[Sakuzhi 7,023]

Just like good old American cattle, M103s are fed nothing but the greasiest food in order to gain weight. Considering the amount of fat people in the US, obesity = freedom.

 

YOU CAN'T DENY MY LOGIC

 

 

Sure I can.

 

Remove Texas from the US and the ratio of Obesity in US greatly shifts the other way.

 

Fun Fact  :Ds

[Azumazi 2,848]

Sure I can.

 

Remove Texas from the US and the ratio of Obesity in US greatly shifts the other way.

 

Fun Fact  :Ds

I've lived in Dallas before for 2 years, sadly, I wouldn't be surprised considering that 4 of the highest Obesity dense cities are in Texas.

[GreekFirethrower 686]

IS-4M has comparable armor to the Maus (especially the 160mm side armor of the IS-4M is not common on heavy tanks. Except the super heavy (armored) tanks like Maus, IS-7)

 

It has a smaller size though, and a much lighter armament.

Edited March 5, 2015 by GreekFirethrower

[Sakuzhi 7,023]

I've lived in Dallas before for 2 years, sadly, I wouldn't be surprised considering that 4 of the highest Obesity dense cities are in Texas.

 

 

There's a joke. 

 

Texans go "Everything is bigger in Texas"

 

 The rebut?

 

"Including the People"

 

 

Anyway, let's not get too distracted with amusing interstate humor.

 

 

The Problem with the M103 is two-fold

 

1) Gaijin can't model curved armor very well, at least they haven't got the model parts down to a small enough scale yet.

2) HEAT and Solid Shot rounds are both greatly mis-modelled in what they do on a penetration.

 

Fix both of those, and the Tank will be every bit able of dealing with a Maus or IS-4M.

 

Till then, leave it in your hanger.

[JacobIsHusky 334]

I think a decent amount of the M103s' weight comes from its' turret.  IIRC the turret itself weighs something around 14-15 or so tons by itself.  That still means the hull weighs 43~ tons, so the weight's in there somewhere, we just have to find where exactly.