tanks/vehicles Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem (1966)

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       Germany

 

Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Prototype

 

basically, your shield is the same as the Leopard 1 but has been modified

prototype 1966

 

Main weapons: 105mm

Secondary armament: 30mm

engine: 1.000 hp

Speed: 70km/h

 

In 1960, he started a development perspective project German-American set the main tank under the MBT-70 designation. Experts from both countries had jointly to develop a new combat vehicle with high performance, able to come to replace the existing technology. The result is the emergence of works fairly tank successful, however, were not the series. Furthermore, under the MBT-70 program developed several alternative designs also brought no tangible results. One such development is the project with the symbol Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm, which was designed to solve one of the most difficult tasks.

By promising the main tank have different needs, including those relating to the accuracy of fire. By the early sixties, it was created and the tools of a stabilization plan that will improve the probability of hitting the target. However, there remains another problem characteristic. In some cases, a tool can be tilted around its longitudinal axis, which greatly affects the accuracy indicators. To get rid of this problem was forced to take some action in the form of creating a suitable fire control system able to make the necessary corrections, or use the original tower design.

Scan a new original proposal, it was decided the project with a complex but completely revealing the essence of the name Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm -. "An experienced media tower with stabilization three plane" As is evident from the name, the German experts decided to bring complex prospective tank weapons additional stabilization channel. Now product must maintain it was necessary position tools set horizontal and vertical angles targeting, so as to compensate for the bank with a weapon turret.

To stabilize the longitudinal axis of the shell in some mechanisms should use, whose task would be to keep the barrel in place. Preliminary analysis of the opportunities allowed to form a common approach to the creation of a new regulator. It turned out that enter the desired stabilization in the appropriate size tower will be very difficult or even impossible. For this reason, it was decided to abandon the only weapon stabilization, setting the units corresponding to the entire tower. This is necessary to develop a new combat unit with a number of characteristic features, but at the same time, it becomes possible to some extent to simplify the structure thereof in comparison with another technique.

As a basis for the "Experimental Media" was taken recently developed a Leopard tank 1. This machine had to share with a new prototype chassis and some other units. At the same time, it was planned to upgrade existing products to improve the basic features and compatibility with new equipment created as a pilot project. Thus, the finished car had experienced a certain resemblance to existing technology, but differs from it by a number of characteristics.

The new units are offered to mount the main tank in the modernized chassis "Leopard 1". This car had a body made of homogeneous armor, designed taking into account existing developments to improve the level of protection. The front of the box consists of several sheets of inclined up to 70 mm thick. The plates were made of thick sheets 35 and 45 mm, as well as other fenders camouflage 20mm. Outboard of the protected fire sheets 30-35 mm thick. Upper and lower plate had a thickness of 25 and 35 mm, respectively.

German development tank had classical layout with front-office management, the central fighting compartment, and back to accommodate all units of the power plant and transmission. In the basic configuration, the device operated by a crew of four people, located in the management and fighting compartment department.

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The main tank Leopard 1, which became the basis for the prototype.

 

Initially, the Leopard 1 was equipped with an engine capacity of 830 hp diesel To improve the characteristics of "Media Pilot", it was decided to use a more powerful power plant. In the engine compartment installed new 1,000 hp engine Once the base tank was equipped with a power unit meets the engine and transmission, in a new project had to use some innovations. In particular, the processing required hydromechanical transmission.
 

On each side of the body there are seven track rollers with individual torsion bar. In addition, all pairs of rollers, except for the fourth and fifth also equipped with telescopic hydraulic dampers. In the rear casing part the drive wheels placed at the front - rails. Above the support rollers had several roller supporting board. Applies caterpillar with rubberized running track.
 

The biggest changes in the new draft Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm was submitted to the base of the tank fighting compartment. Architecture had the fighting compartment was incompatible with original ideas. Due to this, the central part of the tank base had seriously rework. The removed from it all unnecessary parts, components and assemblies, which could interfere with the installation of a new tower. Furthermore, there was the need to create a number of new devices necessary for the proper functioning of the tower view.
 

Sponsors offered to perform stabilization tools without using your own car pickup. Instead, it must use a device that performs all of the turret with a gun. Consequently, it was necessary to develop an original tower design and its system of movement in three dimensions. The result was the emergence of the combat module with unusual shapes and custom configuration.

new construction tower was assembled from several major parts of various shapes. Thus, it has a lower half of the spherical segment. In front of the tower was leaning front sheet with a rectangular block of installation tools. Above the ball had background details Similarly, the truncated top. The roof of the tower were provided manholes and control devices. The sides and stern of the tower were more niches and boxes of rectangular shape. 

experienced tank at the shooting range.

The irregularly fighting compartment was mounted on a modified body handles, allows the horizontal direction, and provides the tower rather than a vertical plane parallel and perpendicular to the stem axis. Inside the box were placed tower control actuators constructed in accordance with various estimates, based on electromechanical or hydraulic power units. Their task was to preserve the guns desired position regardless tank maneuvers and landscape features.

The main tank guns Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm received 105 mm scoured the L7 gun, previously used as part of the complex machine guns Leopard 1. The gun with a barrel length of 56 calibres equipped with an ejector mounted in the central part the tower and received recoil device. Interestingly, the new tower was rigid fixation tools. Any guidance systems do not provide. Pointing the gun horizontally, as in other tanks, it was suggested to hold, turning the whole tower. Elevation, unlike other armored vehicles also had to be carried out using the tower unit. The lack of vertical lay system inside the tank it is possible to optimize the layout of the crew compartment, saving some space.

A feature of the original crew compartment relatively small internal volume, imposes several restrictions. In particular, there may be problems with the transport of sufficient size ammunition. For this reason, the tank received additional weapons to fight against the objectives that have little protection. To save the main gun ammunition and shelling relevant objectives proposed to use the Tandem 30 mm cannon. Deficient internal volumes led to the fact that large and small caliber long gun had to be placed outside the tower. It was mounted on a special stand at the top right of L7. There was a box of ammunition.

"Support experienced tower with three stabilization plan" received well developed for its time, the system of fire control. In the tower of the roof had relatively large observation device equipped with a range finder and other equipment. Furthermore, the tank had the equipment, determines the deviation from the desired position of the tower and provide instructions stabilization units. towers to hold and weapons in the desired position has been automation task. The crew could perform only the most basic operations to restore weapons.

 

The first and last prototype tank Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm was built in 1966. In one of the available stock of Leopard tanks 1 have removed all of the equipment is no longer needed, rather than that installed a specially designed tower, new engine, etc. After the change of an experienced tank retains the basic dimensions, although its weight increased to combat 45 tons. 1000 HP engine was to provide affordable mobility.

sea trials "media Experimental" allowed to establish the preservation of key mobility features in the base of the tank. The maximum road speed exceeds 60-62 km / h, cruising range is 600 km. Thus, the new car was able to travel over rough terrain and working in the same battle formations with existing tanks of the latest models.

According to reports, during the test, it was found that the original system of three weapon stabilization schemes actually possible to reach the required accuracy specifications. Automation properly compensated for all the movements of the chassis and place it on the tower, keeping the weapon desired position. characteristics obtained permission to continue the development of the project with a view to subsequent implementation, but it did not.

The tests showed that the authors of the project were able to successfully solve the basic design problem, but the price was too high to reach a solution. The proposed design of future tanks had a number of specific handicaps, in fact, it closes the way for the use of troops. fighting vehicle just too expensive and complicated unacceptable for production and operation. In addition, there were significant technical flaws that prevented improve certain characteristics.

Thus, the unusual shape of the tower had insufficient internal volume, which negatively affected the comfort of the crew work, and are not allowed to bring the volume of ammunition to acceptable values. Also proved insufficient thickness reserve Tower, which prevented to protect the machine against existing threats. In this case there was no real opportunity to increase the volume of zabronevoy and thus improve other parameters. To increase the tower distillate was necessary to develop a larger diameter, requiring a higher processing enclosure. Such changes were not possible, and in its present form the tower could not satisfy the customer.

The rear of the hull and the turret of the tank prototype.

Upon completion of the tests, it was decided that the prototype Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm and used to develop the original idea, has no real future. Therefore, the original car as unnecessary sent to storage, and the design work has continued in the most promising areas that may be of interest to the customer. The project "Experimental Media" was the first and last attempt to create a weapon of three aircraft system stabilization tank, which reached the assembly of the prototype and its subsequent test.

The main result of the German project Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm was the realization that stabilization tools in the third surface by mechanical means does not make sense. Using the oscillating turret excessively complicating any combat vehicle structure and the use of similar weapons mounts in a standard tower leads to a misallocation of the crew compartment volumes. Thus, to compensate for the deviations of the transverse bore required some new methods and tools.

Soon after the completion of the "Experimental Media" project a way to solve the problems found. It was suggested to abandon the individual mechanisms and functions required to put in a specially modified fire control system. The diversion of weapons desired position to determine, with the help of sensors, after which the MSA was to calculate the projectile flight path, and make appropriate corrections. This stabilizer plan can be used without any problem. Such algorithms fire control systems were soon developed and implemented in new projects.

experimental tanks testing Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm ended half a century ago. During the last time the time it was created by a large number of tanks of various types and modifications. All tanks are equipped with a modern stabilizer of two compensation plans tools deviations horizontally and vertically. Compensation other deviations imposed automation, which is responsible for payment adjustments. The original idea for the use of third stabilize the plane and the unusual design of the crew compartment, did not receive any distribution. Only one tank was built with the swing in all directions of the tower, which, after completion of the test was sent to storage. At the present time, according to various sources, the Erprobungsträger machine mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem Turm is stored in one of the armored vehicles of German museums.

 

sources:

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https://topwar.ru/98220-eksperimentalnyy-tank-s-trehploskostnoy-stabilizaciey-bashni-erprobungstrger-mit-3-achs-stabilisiertem-turm-germaniya.html

http://strangernn.livejournal.com/221673.html

 

 

Edited June 16, 2018 by pieve

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Open for discussion.

[KontaKT 1,824]

What a beast ! I didn't know it existed !

Using the 105 mm and the 30 mm would be amazing !

I say yes as the Germans need more MBTs.

[_RamonBR 22]

UP +1 

[Dalles 56]

I would love to see this vehicle on the German line with the leopard 2k to reinforce the German line in the game.

 

[pieve 3,578]

 

[Nope 10,634]

Wait, is that a German tank suggestion I don't think would be OP?

[venomdan@psn 86]

10 hours ago, Dalles said:

I would love to see this vehicle on the German line with the leopard 2k to reinforce the German line in the game.

 

 

I agreed, Germany needs more post WWII tanks

[KontaKT 1,824]

7 hours ago, Nope said:

Wait, is that a German tank suggestion I don't think would be OP?

 

No need to worry as the Soviets already have 4 MBTs.

Also, the armor is still in paper. I wish we could get a new 9,0 BR so it would fit at 9,0 and the Leopard 1 at 8,7.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Fighter117

[これを読んだ人はゲイです 31]

Absolutely necessary more MBT's for Germany

[Arkel-99@psn 1,030]

I voted no

 

I just think it would make more sense to add Leopard 1 variants (A1A1, A2, A3) and the KPz 70 instead of this. 

[Nope 10,634]

On 8/25/2016 at 10:13 AM, *Arkel-99 said:

I voted no

 

I just think it would make more sense to add Leopard 1 variants (A1A1, A2, A3) and the KPz 70 instead of this. 

 

Adding this makes more sense than adding the MBT-70. The Kpz-70 is also not any different from the MBT-70.

[_23nick123 53]

2 hours ago, Nope said:

 

Adding this makes more sense than adding the MBT-70. The Kpz-70 is also not any different from the MBT-70.

 

i heard the Kpz-70 had a version with a 128mm german canon and the american mbt-70 had a 152mm gun-launcher with autoloader? but i may be wrong. 

Edited August 26, 2016 by _23nick123

[Nope 10,634]

3 hours ago, _23nick123 said:

 

i heard the Kpz-70 had a version with a 128mm german canon and the american mbt-70 had a 152mm gun-launcher with autoloader? but i may be wrong. 

 

That is wrong, and the gun people claim the KPz-70 used is a 120mm. However, only the 152mm was used on the KPz-70. The difference came from manufacturers.

[Choogleblitz 10,205]

Holy crap! An end-tier German suggestion that isn't completely game breaking? RATIONAL PEOPLE DO EXIST!

 

On 24/08/2016 at 0:10 PM, Fighter117 said:

 

No need to worry as the Soviets already have 4 MBTs.

Also, the armor is still in paper. I wish we could get a new 9,0 BR so it would fit at 9,0 and the Leopard 1 at 8,7.

 

One. One MBT.

 

Also, armour is pointless. Cover is the best armour at tier five, and mobility is one of the best weapons. Utilize both of them to make the Leopard become god-tier. 

 

5 hours ago, Nope said:

 

Adding this makes more sense than adding the MBT-70. The Kpz-70 is also not any different from the MBT-70.

 

Well, they're different. It's just not that different. 20 mm cannon versus .50 cal for example. 

[Conraire 5,723]

Yeah, seems like something that's not too OP, so why not +1

[_23nick123 53]

15 hours ago, Choogleblitz said:

Holy crap! An end-tier German suggestion that isn't completely game breaking? RATIONAL PEOPLE DO EXIST!

 

 

well, there is the kampfpanzer keiler which seems alright. more balanced than kpz-70.

 

edit: nvm the kpz keiler is a bit OP. same with kpz-70.

Edited August 27, 2016 by _23nick123

[JEI2 5,766]

+1

[Nope 10,634]

4 hours ago, _23nick123 said:

well, there is the kampfpanzer keiler which seems alright.

 

[_23nick123 53]

4 hours ago, Nope said:

 

what is it worst than i thought? i mean, i may be wrong saying its alright. in your opinion, if it were implemented, what BR should it have? going beyond 8 even?

[KontaKT 1,824]

I think that 8,0 would be fine. It's 30 mm gun could be used against Soviet SPAA and planes, but wouldn't be that dangerous for MBTs I think.

[_23nick123 53]

16 minutes ago, Fighter117 said:

I think that 8,0 would be fine. It's 30 mm gun could be used against Soviet SPAA and planes, but wouldn't be that dangerous for MBTs I think.

yeah, the 30mm co-axial gun is pretty amazing. its like the 75mm on the maus.

[Nope 10,634]

2 hours ago, Fighter117 said:

I think that 8,0 would be fine. It's 30 mm gun could be used against Soviet SPAA and planes, but wouldn't be that dangerous for MBTs I think.

 

It could help against those pesky SPAAGs too.

[War_Embodied 107]

Yes, this would be a wonderful tank +1

[pieve 3,578]

that would be great support for German