Alternative german ground forces-tree and list of ALL other suitable german vehicles (halftracks, wheeled armored cars assault guns ...) (WIP)

[stefffff1871 2,448]

I tried to create a German tree with all the vehicles officially used by German forces (Wehrmacht, NVA, Bundeswehr) and which COULD fit into the game. (I know there are some Protoypes too). This is only a regular Tree so no captured tanks or other premium stuff. 

 

The Tree:

 

Premium Vehicles ingame, that should be in the regular tree:

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-Sd.Kfz. 140/1 (70 built) 

-Sd.Kfz. 166 Brummbär (early) (140 built)

-Panzer IV/70(A) (278! built)

-Sd.Kfz, 234/4

-Ru251 

-Panzer III Ausf. N (617! built)

 

In this tree vehicles have functional MGs if they really had some as secundary armament and as a researchable module.

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/277029-where-are-our-missing-mg/

 

Some threads that inspired me:

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https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/313293-deutsche-fahrzeuge-die-noch-in-wt-fehlen/

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/280757-expanded-german-ground-forces-tech-tree/

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/321705-sturmpanzerassault-gun-branch-for-german-tech-tree/

I know there are still some more vehicles and I would like to know what you think of my tree, what I forgot and where they should be placed.

 

A list of all the other vehicles, which were in service of a German army or are prototypes, that I know (basically a list of possible Premiums and Event-vehicles, that are way better than regular used tanks in the premium-section):

 

more Postwar Copy&Paste tanks: 

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Bundeswehr:

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-M47 with a 8-Zylinder-Mehrstoff-Motor Daimler Benz MB837a and 600PS (1 built)

-M113 Panzermörser 120mm (based on the american M113)

-Panzerflak M16 

-leichte Panzerhaubitze M7B2 Priest

-leichte Panzerhaubitze M52

-mittlere Panzerhaubitze M44

-schwere Panzerhaubitze M55

-Panzerhaubitze M109

-schwere Feldkanone 175mm M107

-schwere Haubitze 203mm M110

-Super M48 (atleast 5 built)

NVA:

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-122-mm-SFL-Haubitze 2S1 (entered Service in 1981)

-152-mm-SFL-Haubitze 2S3 (entered Service in 1978)

-14,5-mm-Fla-MG KPWT auf SPW 

-23-mmFla-SFL 23-4 "Shilka"

- 57-mmFla-SFL 57-2 "ZSU-57-2"

-Mittlerer T-34/76

-Mittlerer T-34/85

-Schwerer Panzer IS-2

-Mittlerer Panzer T54A (T54 is in the Tree)

-Mttlerer Panzer T55A(P)

-Schwimmpanzer Pt-76

-Schwimmpanzer Pt-76B

-Selbstfahrlafette 76-mm (SU-76)

-Selbstfahrlafette 85-mm (SU-85)

-Selbstfahrlafette 100-mm (SU-100)

 

Beutepanzer:

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American:

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-M3 Lee - Panzerkampfwagen M3 747 (a)

-M3 Grant - Panzerkampfwagen M3-744 (a)

-M3 Stuart

-M4 Sherman (75mm) (Panzerkampfwagen M4-748 (a) (already ingame, very rare)

-M4 Sherman (76mm)

-M5 light tank

-M8 Greyhound

-M10 Wolverine

-T-48 57 mm GMC (SU-57)

-T-30 76 mm GMC

Russian:

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-BT-5 (Pz 742(r))

-BT-7

-T-28

-T-26 (Pz. 740(r))

-T-50

-T35 (Panzerkampfwagen 751(r)

-T-60

-Kw-1 (PzKpfw 759(r)

-T34 

-Is-2

-BA-10 (Panzerspaehwagen BA203(r))

-BA-6

-BA-27 (37 mm gun)

-Su-85

-Su-100

-Su-122

english

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-Cruiser Tank Mk. I (A9) (Panzerkampfwagen Mk.IV 744(e))

-Cruiser Mk II

-Cruiser Mk IV

-Matilda II-Infanteriepanzer (Pz Kpfw Mk II 748 (e))

-Sherman Firefly

French:

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-Renault R35 8Pz. 35R 731 (f)

-Hotchkiss H-35 (Panzerkampfwagen H735(f))

-Hotchkiss H-39 (Panzerkampfwagen 39-H 735 (f))

-Renault Ft-17 (Panzerkampfwagen 17R/18R 730(f))

-PzKpfw AMC 738 (f)

-Char D1 (Pz. D1 732(f))

-Char D2 (Pz. D2 733 (f))

-FCM 36 Pz. FCM 737 (f))

-Somua S35 (Pz. 35S 739 (f))

-Char B1 (Pz. B-2 740 (f))

Dutch:

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-Panzerspähwagen L202 (h) (dutch)

Poland:

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-Beutepanzer 7TP (polish)

-Beutepanzer TK-S (polish)

Italian:

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-AB43 Spähpanzer (5cm Pak) with MG 42 or MG 34 

-Kampfpanzer M13/40 (Sd.Kfz. 735(i))

-P26/40 (Panzerkampfwagen P40 737(i))

-Semovente 75/18 (Sturmgeschütz M42(i))

-Semovente 90/53

-Fiat M15/42

-Fiat Semovente 75/18  (Sturmgeschütz M42 mit 75/18 850(i))

-Fiat Semovente 75/34  (Sturmgeschütz M42 mit 75/34 851(i))

-Fiat Semovente 105/25  (Sturmgeschütz M43 mit 105/25 853(i))

Spain

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-AAC1937

Sweden

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-Landsverk 180/181

 

Modified Beutepanzer:

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-Armored Car M8 "Greyhound" Panzerspähwagen Ford M8 (a) mit MG 151/20 "Drilling"

-M2/M3 Halftrack Gepanzerter Mannschaftstransportwagen M3 401(a) mit Wurfrahmen 40

-SPW U304(f) with 2 cm Flak 38

-Panzerkampfwagen 35R 731(f) with T-26 Turm

-Flakpanzer T-34(r)

-PzKpfw T-34 747(r) with Seitenschürzen

-Modified T-34/76 with German commander’s cupola

-early T-34/76 modified with german Tracks

-7.5 сm Pak 97/38(f) auf Pz.740(r)

-Pz.Kpfw. Panzerkampfwagen M15/42 738(i) mit Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) turm

-7,5cm Pak 40 Somua MCG (f)

-Ford F15 with 2 cm flak 30

-Beutespähwagen BA-10M with 2 cm KwK 30 L/55

-PzSpw. P.204 (f) with 5 cm

-Matilda with 5cm Pak "Oswald"

-Panzerjäger Bren 731 (e)

-S307(f) Vielfachwerfer (8cm Vielfachwerfer auf SOMUA MCG)

-7,5cm Pak auf FCM36(f)

-Sd.Kfz 135/1 with rus. 122-mm-Haubitze

-10.5cm LeFH 16 auf Geschutzwagen Mk.VI(e) (6 built)

-7,5-cm Pak 97/98 (f) auf T-26 PZ-740(r) (at least 10 built)

-russian BA-64 with 37 mm Pak 35/36 cannon

-Unic p107(f) with 2cm Flak 38

-15cm Panzerwerfer auf MTW Somua.

-Drilling Mg 151 auf munitionsschlepper

-2cm Flak 38 auf Bren Carrier(e)

-M3A3 mit Flakvierling ("possible" yugoslavian)

-M3 with Pak 40 (possible yugoslavian)

Prototypes and others:

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-Sd.Kfz. 251/7 mit schwerer Panzerbüchse

-Sd.Kfz. 10 mit 3,7cm Pak

-5cm PaK 38 L/60 auf Fahrgestell Pz.Kpfw.II (Sf) Ausf.A/B/C/F

-5cm Pak auf PanzerIV

-5cm Pak auf Sd.Kfz. 10

-Opel Blitz mit 2cm Flak 30 

-Opel Blitz mit 2cm Flak 38

-Krupp Protze mit 2cm Flak

-Sd.Kfz.11 mit 2cm Flak

-Mercedes Benz 4500 with 2cm Flakvierling

-Opel Blitz with 2cm Flakvierling

-MB 4500 A mit 5cm Flak 41

-Krupp Protze L 2 H 143 with Triple AA gun

-Sd.Kfz. 251/7 mit schwerer 5 cm Pak

-Krupp Protze mit 3,7cm Pak

-Panther D1 (60cm frontal armour)

-Kanonenjagdpanzer 1-3 HS-30

-Leopard Prototype A

-Europanzer

-Hs-30 90mm Bord K

-7.5 cm PaK 42 L/70 auf StuG III

-Waffenträger 10.5 cm Krupp

-7.5 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/40.8

-3.7 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/70

-Flakpanzer IV - 3cm Flakvierling (Zerstörer 45)

-Ostwind 2

-VK 30.02 (DB) (the german T-34 - 1 Prototype built)

-VK 30.02 (MAN) (Panther-Prototype - atleast 1 built) 

-VK 30.01 (P)

-VK 30.01 (H)

-VK 36.01 (P)

-Panzerspähwagen Schildkröte III (amphibious wheeled light tank with 1 × 2 cm MG 151/20 - 2 built)

-Großtraktor (DB) (2 built)

-Großtraktor (Rheinmetall) (2 built)

-Großtraktor (Krupp) (2 built)

-Skôda T-15 (German-Czechoslovakian light tank developed by Škoda, 1x37mm gun 1xMG34 - 5 built)

-Leichttraktor (Krupp) (2 built)

-Leichttraktor (Rheinmetall) (2 built)

-Panzer IV mit hydrostatischem Antrieb (1 built)

-Jagpanzer 38(t) with L70 

-10.5cm leFH 18/40/2 L/28 (Sf) auf Geschuetzwagen III/IV

-15cm sIG 33 L/11 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf.H (Sf) (atleast 1 built)

-10,5cm LG/32 auf gep. Munitionsschlepper (1 model)

-Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1a5cm Pak38 auf gepanzerter Munitionschlepper (1 built)

-PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf.S; 90 TNH ordered by Sweden in February 1940 but seized by Germany

-Panther M10

-Panzerkampfwagen 39(t)

-Panzerjäger 1B (7,5cm Stuk 40/L48 auf Panzer 1 - 1-2 built)

-30mm Mk 103 auf Selbstfahrlafette 38(t) Ausf. M (at least 1 built)

-Panther D1 with Panzer4 turret

-Panzer-Selbstfahrlafette II Hornisse-7,5cm Kanone L/41 (Sf.) auf ZgKrWg 5t (2 built but used in combat, too)

-Sd. Kfz 140/1 mit 7,5cm KwK L/24 (1 built, could replace the premium 140/1 aswell)

-Jagdpanzer 38D 

-Jagdtiger with "Simmering-Graz-Pauker Sla 16" (same enginge as the Diesel-Tiger which is already ingame/ atleast one was built)

-Panzerjäger 38(t) Starr (simplified version which attached the 7.5cm PaK 39 gun to the chassis, and fitted with a Tatra diesel engine. 10 were built)

-Sturmtiger with 88 L/71 (some sources says one prototype was built)

-Panzerwerfer 43 auf schwerer Wehrmachstschlepper (1 built, the Panzerwerfer ingame is on the Opel Maultier)

-Raketenwerfer auf Fahrgestell Panzer 4 (Panzer 4 with modified turret, that can shoot 4 rockets - 1 built)

-Vollkettenaufklärer 38(t) (7,5cm-Kwk 37 L/24 - 2 built)

-88mm Flak Gun auf Vomag LKW

-2cm Flakvierling auf Panther (some sources say at least 1 was built. personally i am very unsure about this)

-PzKpfw III Ausf G/H mit Schachtellaufwerk

-Panzer IV Ausf. D/H (Panzer IV D with extra frontal armour plates and a panzer IV H turret)

-Raupenschlepper OST with 2cm Flak (atleast 1 built)

-Raupenschlepper OST with tripple MG151 (some sources says atleast one built)

-Sd.Kfz.3b mit 2cm Flak 38 (Opel Maultier with 2cm Flak38)

-Sd.Kfz.4 mit 3,7 cm Flak 36

-Panther Ausf. G with Stahllaufrollen

-Flakpanzer 1 mit Drilling Mg151/15(some sources say atleast 1 built)
-Sdkfz 233 mit 5cm PaK 38

WW1✠:

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-Sturmpanzerwagen A7V 

-A7V-U (Umlaufwerk) (1built)

-A7V Panzerflak (3 built; 2 with 2x russian M1902/30 76.2 mm field guns, 1 with 2x 7.7 cm German leichte Feld Kanone (l.F.K.) 1896 n/a)

-K-Wagen (Großkampfwagen) (1built)

-LK II second Variant with "Brustwehr" (37-mm canon from Krupp or a russian 57-mm-Kanone Sokol) (1 built)

will be added in the future:

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Edited July 11, 2018 by stefffff1871

[McPuff 2,212]

Overall I like your tree, but I have a few notes. Firstly, there is really no reason to go beyond the Leopard 1 A1A1. There isn't a need for any more or better vehicles in the German tree

 

There were two Flakpanzer IV Möbelwagen, one with a 3.7 cm Flak and one with a Flakvierling mount

 

As for Waffenträgers, you only feature one in your tree, but there were in fact three, not counting the one with a 105 mm howitzer

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Krupp/Ardelt

Steyer:

Rheinmetall-Borsig:

 

In regards to other vehicles, there is of course all the vehicles from my suggestion, but also many others. I am fully aware that there are many other beutepanzers but those listed are notable for one reason or another

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Flakpanzer T-34(r),

Beutepanzer 7TP,

5 cm PaK 38 auf Fahrgestell Panzer II,

7.5 сm Pak 97/38(f) auf Pz.740(r),

Großtraktor, VK 30.01 (P),

VK 30.01 (H), 

VK 36.01 (H),

Skôda T-15, 

Leichttraktor,

Beutepanzer TK-S,

Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1a 5 cm Pak 38 auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper,

10.5 cm LG auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper,

Europanzer,

Leopard Prototype A,

Panzerjäger I Ausf. 35R,

VK 30.02 (MAN),

Jagdpanzer 38 (t) mit L/70,

StuG M43 mit 75/34 (851) (i),

StuG M43 mit 75/46 (852) (i),

Panzerkampfwagen 35R 731(f) mit T-26 Turm,

VK.13.03,

7.5 cm PaK 42 L/70 auf StuG III,

Panzerkampfwagen M15/42 738(i) mit Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) turm,

Borgward B IV Ausführung mit Raketenpanzerbüchse 54, 

Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D mit 3.7 cm FlaK,

8 cm raketenwerfer auf somua,

Krupp MKA,

Flakpanzer IV/3 cm Flakvierling,

Panzerspähwagen L 202 (h), 

3 cm MK 103 auf auf Selbstfahrlafette 38(t) Ausf M,

Sd.Kfz. 251 (/4, /9 "Stummel", /21 "Drilling" (15mm, 20mm)),

Sd.Kfz. 250/11,

Sd.Kfz. 221 sPzb 41,  

Sd.Kfz. 10 (/5, mit 5 cm Pak, "Drilling"),

Pz.Sfl. II,

7,5cm Pak 40 Somua MCG (f),

PzSpw. P.204 (f) mit 5 cm,

MB 4500 A mit 5 cm Flak 41,

Beutespähwagen BA-10M mit 2 cm KwK 30 L/55,

SPW U304(f) mit 2 cm Flak 38,

3.7 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/70,

7.5 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/40.8,

DB 4500A mit 5 cm Flak 41,

Opel Blitz (mit 2 cm Flak 30, mit 2 cm Flak 38),

Krupp Protze (2 cm FlaK, 3.7 cm PaK, Drilling),

Panzerspähwagen RK-9,

Panzerspähwagen Schildkröte III,

Ford F15 mit 2 cm flak 30

Edited January 14, 2017 by McPuff

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

2 minutes ago, McPuff said:

Overall I like your tree, but I have a few notes. Firstly, there is really no reason to go beyond the Leopard 1 A1A1. There isn't a need for any more or better vehicles in the German tree

 

In regards to other vehicles, there is of course all the vehicles from my suggestion, but also others.

Flakpanzer T-34(r), Beutepanzer 7TP, 5 cm PaK 38 auf Fahrgestell Panzer II, 7.5 сm Pak 97/38(f) auf Pz.740(r), Großtraktor, VK 30.01 (P), VK 30.01 (H) VK 36.01 (H), VK 16.02 Leopard, Flakpanzer IV Möbelwagen, Skôda T-15, Grille 10, Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. J, Leichttraktor, Beutepanzer TK-S, Tauchpanzer III, Tauchpanzer IV Jagdtiger 8.8, Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1a 5 cm Pak 38 auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper, 10.5 cm LG auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper, Europanzer, Leopard Prototype A, Schützenpanzer 11-2 Kurz, Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30, Panzerjäger I Ausf. 35R, VK 30.02 (MAN), Jagdpanzer 38 (t) mit L/70, StuG M43 mit 75/34 (851) (i), StuG M43 mit 75/46 (852) (i), Panzerkampfwagen 35R 731(f) mit T-26 Turm, VK.13.03, 7.5 cm PaK 42 L/70 auf StuG III, Pz.Kpfw. Panzerkampfwagen M15/42 738(i) mit Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) turm, Borgward B IV Ausführung mit Raketenpanzerbüchse 54, RSO/PaK 40, Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D mit 3.7 cm FlaK, Sturmgeschütz M43 mit 75/46 852(i), 8 cm raketenwerfer auf somua, Krupp MKA, Waffenträger 10.5 cm Krupp - Ardelt Mittlerer Einheitswaffenträger (Gerät 578), Flakpanzer IV/3 cm Flakvierling, Begleitpanzer 57, Panzerspähwagen L 202 (h), Kampfpanzer M47, Kampfpanzer M48, Kampfpanzer M41, Flakpanzer M42, Kampfpanzer T-55, Flakpanzer ZSU-57-2, 3 cm MK 103 auf auf Selbstfahrlafette 38(t) Ausf M, Sd.Kfz. 234 Puma (/1, /2, /3, /4), Sd.Kfz. 251 (/4, /9 "Stummel", /10, /17, /21 "Drilling" (15mm, 20mm), /22 "Pakwagen"), Sd.Kfz. 250 (/8, /9, /10, 11), Sd.Kfz. 222 (Early, Late), Sd.Kfz. 221 sPzb 41, Sd.Kfz. 231 (6-rad), Sd.kfz. 231 (8-rad), Sd.Kfz. 233, 7.62 cm FK36(r) auf Panzerjäger Selbstfahrlafette Zugkraftwagen 5t (Sd.Kfz. 6/3), Sd.Kfz. 7/1, 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz.8), Sd.Kfz. 10 (/5, mit 5 cm Pak, "Drilling"), Pz.Sfl. II, 7,5cm Pak 40 Somua MCG (f), PzSpw. P.204 (f) mit 5 cm, MB 4500 A mit 5 cm Flak 41, Beutespähwagen BA-10M mit 2 cm KwK 30 L/55, SPW U304(f) mit 2 cm Flak 38, 3.7 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/70, 7.5 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/40.8, DB 4500A mit 5 cm Flak 41, Opel Blitz (mit 2 cm Flak 30, mit 2 cm Flak 38), Krupp Protze (2 cm FlaK, 3.7 cm PaK, Drilling), Panzerspähwagen RK-9, Panzerspähwagen Schildkröte III, Ford F15 mit 2 cm flak 30

 

As for Waffenträgers, you only feature one in your tree, but there were in fact three mounted with 88s

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Krupp/Ardelt

Steyer:

Rheinmetall-Borsig:

Can you put that huge paragraph into a list (and also a spoiler if you want). Its very hard to read at the moment, just looks like a huge wall of text.

[Owner203 512]

I like it but please remove Tiger II 105 and Panther II that were never meant to exist and replace them with E-75 and E-50 

[McPuff 2,212]

8 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

Can you put that huge paragraph into a list (and also a spoiler if you want). Its very hard to read at the moment, just looks like a huge wall of text.

Sorry, published it by accident while I was going thorugh it (I have it all written down)

[IronVader501 1,150]

10 minutes ago, Owner203 said:

I like it but please remove Tiger II 105 and Panther II that were never meant to exist and replace them with E-75 and E-50 

But the Panther II had atleast a hull built, while the E-series never got out of blueprint stage.

[McPuff 2,212]

18 minutes ago, Owner203 said:

I like it but please remove Tiger II 105 and Panther II that were never meant to exist and replace them with E-75 and E-50 

They're both a whole lot closer to being built than the any of the E series except for the E100

 

It is also very unlikely that Gaijin will completely remove a vehicle

Edited January 14, 2017 by McPuff

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

Some Panzer 38(t) variants that are missing in your tree

• Sd.Kfz 140/1 mit 7,5cm KwK L/24
• Panzerkamfwagen 38(t) n. A.
• 15-cm-schweres Infanteriegeschütz 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) 
• Aufklärungspanzer 38 (2 cm Flak 38)
• Vollkettenaufklärer 38(t) (7,5 cm K 51 L/24)
• Jagdpanzer 38 D

And I have to protest against the VTS1 taht thing wasn't even a prototype it was just an experiment. You can't even reload the gun without climbing onto the vehicle, haul a grenade up there and climbing down again, because the safety switch is on the right side of the vehicle. 

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

1 minute ago, Lord_of_Sofa said:

Some Panzer 38(t) variants that are missing in your tree

• Sd.Kfz 140/1 mit 7,5cm KwK L/24
• Panzerkamfwagen 38(t) n. A.
• 15-cm-schweres Infanteriegeschütz 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) 
• Aufklärungspanzer 38 (2 cm Flak 38)
• Vollkettenaufklärer 38(t) (7,5 cm K 51 L/24)
• Jagdpanzer 38 D

And I have to protest against the VTS1 taht thing wasn't even a prototype it was just an experiment. You can't even reload the gun without climbing onto the vehicle, haul a grenade up there and climbing down again, because the safety switch is on the right side of the vehicle. 

What is the Vollkettenaufklärer 38(t)?

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

1 minute ago, Mercedes4321 said:

What is the Vollkettenaufklärer 38(t)?

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

9 minutes ago, Lord_of_Sofa said:

When I looked it up I found this

 

The vehicle you have shown appears to actually be called the Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) mit 7.5cm KwK38 L/24. There is even a suggestion for it

 

Edited January 14, 2017 by Mercedes4321

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

5 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

The vehicle you have shown appears to actually be called the Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) mit 7.5cm KwK38 L/24

I can only cite what Spielberger wrote in his book about the Panzer 38(t).

[stefffff1871 2,448]

@McPuff I tried to sort your tanks. i deltes all vehicles which are already in my tree. Some of these i will try to bring in my tree.

 

good:

Sturmgeschütz M43 mit 75/46 (852) (i)  (because Germany was the only User)

Jagdpanzer 38 (t) mit L/70, , Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D mit 3.7 cm FlaK, 

mittlerer Einheitswaffenträger Ardelt

Panzerspähwagen RK-9 (austrian)  

Krupp Protze (2 cm FlaK, 3.7 cm PaK, Drilling)

MB 4500 A mit 5 cm Flak 41

Sd.Kfz. 233

Sd.Kfz. 221 sPzb 41

7.62 cm FK36(r) auf Panzerjäger Selbstfahrlafette Zugkraftwagen 5t (Sd.Kfz. 6/3)

Sd.Kfz. 222 (Early, Late) (ausf. A+B?)

Opel Blitz (mit 2 cm Flak 30, mit 2 cm Flak 38)

5 cm PaK 38 auf Fahrgestell Panzer II

Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1a 5 cm Pak 38 auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper

10.5 cm LG auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper

3 cm MK 103 auf auf Selbstfahrlafette 38(t) Ausf M

 

difficult;

Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30

Schützenpanzer 11-2 Kurz

Tauchpanzer III

Tauchpanzer IV

Borgward B IV Ausführung mit Raketenpanzerbüchse 54

 

prototype:

Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D mit 3.7 cm FlaK (Bergepanther mit 2cm Flak?)

7.5 cm PaK 42 L/70 auf StuG III

Waffenträger 10.5 cm Krupp

Pz.Sfl. II (Hornisse?) 1 saw combat

7.5 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/40.8

3.7 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/70

Flakpanzer IV/3 cm Flakvierling (Zerstörer 45?)

VK 30.02 (MAN)

Leopard Prototype A

Europanzer

Panzerspähwagen Schildkröte III

Großtraktor

VK 30.01 (P)

VK 30.01 (H)

VK 36.01 (P)

Skôda T-15

Leichttraktor

 

italian:

- StuG M43 mit 75/34 (851) (i)

 

 

Beutepanzer (premium):

Panzerspähwagen L 202 (h) dutch

Beutepanzer 7TP (polish)

Beutepanzer TK-S (polish)

8 cm raketenwerfer auf somua (f) french

 

 

modified Beutepanzer:

SPW U304(f) mit 2 cm Flak 38

Panzerkampfwagen 35R 731(f) mit T-26 Turm

Panzerjäger I auf Geschützwagen 35R (f) 4,7 cm Pa.K.

Flakpanzer T-34(r)

7.5 сm Pak 97/38(f) auf Pz.740(r)

Pz.Kpfw. Panzerkampfwagen M15/42 738(i) mit Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) turm

7,5cm Pak 40 Somua MCG (f)

Ford F15 mit 2 cm flak 30

Beutespähwagen BA-10M mit 2 cm KwK 30 L/55

PzSpw. P.204 (f) mit 5 cm

 

 

[McPuff 2,212]

17 minutes ago, stefffff1871 said:

@McPuff I tried to sort your tanks. i deltes all vehicles which are already in my tree. Some of these i will try to bring in my tree.

 

good:

Sturmgeschütz M43 mit 75/46 (852) (i)  (because Germany was the only User)

Jagdpanzer 38 (t) mit L/70, , Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D mit 3.7 cm FlaK, 

mittlerer Einheitswaffenträger Ardelt

Panzerspähwagen RK-9 (austrian)  

Krupp Protze (2 cm FlaK, 3.7 cm PaK, Drilling)

MB 4500 A mit 5 cm Flak 41

Sd.Kfz. 233

Sd.Kfz. 221 sPzb 41

7.62 cm FK36(r) auf Panzerjäger Selbstfahrlafette Zugkraftwagen 5t (Sd.Kfz. 6/3)

Sd.Kfz. 222 (Early, Late) (ausf. A+B?)

Opel Blitz (mit 2 cm Flak 30, mit 2 cm Flak 38)

5 cm PaK 38 auf Fahrgestell Panzer II

Panzer Selbstfahrlafette 1a 5 cm Pak 38 auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper

10.5 cm LG auf Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper

3 cm MK 103 auf auf Selbstfahrlafette 38(t) Ausf M

 

difficult;

Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30

Schützenpanzer 11-2 Kurz

Tauchpanzer III

Tauchpanzer IV

Borgward B IV Ausführung mit Raketenpanzerbüchse 54

 

prototype:

Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D mit 3.7 cm FlaK (Bergepanther mit 2cm Flak?)

7.5 cm PaK 42 L/70 auf StuG III

Waffenträger 10.5 cm Krupp

Pz.Sfl. II (Hornisse?) 1 saw combat

7.5 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/40.8

3.7 cm Selbstfahrlafette L/70

Flakpanzer IV/3 cm Flakvierling (Zerstörer 45?)

VK 30.02 (MAN)

Leopard Prototype A

Europanzer

Panzerspähwagen Schildkröte III

Großtraktor

VK 30.01 (P)

VK 30.01 (H)

VK 36.01 (P)

Skôda T-15

Leichttraktor

 

italian:

- StuG M43 mit 75/34 (851) (i)

 

 

Beutepanzer (premium):

Panzerspähwagen L 202 (h) dutch

Beutepanzer 7TP (polish)

Beutepanzer TK-S (polish)

8 cm raketenwerfer auf somua (f) french

 

 

modified Beutepanzer:

SPW U304(f) mit 2 cm Flak 38

Panzerkampfwagen 35R 731(f) mit T-26 Turm

Panzerjäger I auf Geschützwagen 35R (f) 4,7 cm Pa.K.

Flakpanzer T-34(r)

7.5 сm Pak 97/38(f) auf Pz.740(r)

Pz.Kpfw. Panzerkampfwagen M15/42 738(i) mit Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) turm

7,5cm Pak 40 Somua MCG (f)

Ford F15 mit 2 cm flak 30

Beutespähwagen BA-10M mit 2 cm KwK 30 L/55

PzSpw. P.204 (f) mit 5 cm

 

 

Ahh, that's the one I hadn't yet edited when I posted by accident you worked with, oh well

 

 

 

I don't know why the StuG M43 mit 75/34 (851) (i) is in there, it's supposed to only be the StuG M43 mit 75/46 (852) (i). Perhaps it was a goof from me when I originally made the list a good while 

Why do you insist on not having the two other waffenträgers? Sure they're all similar in capabilities, but they could at least be premiums or something like that

If I'm correct the RK-9 is technically German as it was developed upon request by the waffenamt and Austria was part of the German reich at that time, it even used German armament

Yes, Ausf. A and B, not sure why they were under early/late 

Zerstörer 45 indeed

 

The Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D mit 3.7 cm FlaK is a separate vehicle (albeit more obscure):

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But I don't know how much of a beutepanzer a captured Ford truck is 

Edited January 14, 2017 by McPuff

[stefffff1871 2,448]

I originally planned to include the Waffenträgers but then simply forgotten it.

The "(austrian)" behind the RK-9 is only for me that i know which vehcile it is.

And i tried not to add too many Prototypes.

[Saltzer 2,454]

If anybody wants to fiddle around with that tech-tree:

 

	"Panzerjäger" (Open-Topped Tank Destroyers)	Heavy Tanks	Medium Tanks	Anti-Air	"Jagdpanzer" (Encased Tank Destroyers)	Assault/Self-Propelled Guns
Tier I	SdKfz. 250/9 SdKfz. 250/8 └► SdKfz. 251/9 SdKfz. 250/11 SdKfz. 251/10 └► SdKfz. 10 (3,7 cm PaK 36) Panzerjäger I	PzKpfw. III Ausf. B PzKpfw. III Ausf. E PzKpfw. III Ausf. G PzKpfw. III Ausf. F └► PzKpfw. III Ausf. J PzKpfw. III Ausf. H	PzKpfw. II Ausf. C └► PzKpfw. II Ausf. F PzKpfw. II Ausf. L ├► PzKpfw. II Ausf. G └► PzKpfw. II Ausf. J PzKpfw. IV Ausf. C └► PzKpfw. IV Ausf. D PzKpfw. IV Ausf. E	SdKfz. 10/4 └► SdKfz. 10/5 FlakPz. I SdKfz. 251/17 Gepard	PzKpfw. 35(t) Ausf. A PzKpfw. 38(t) Ausf. A └► PzKpfw. 38(t) Ausf. F StuG. III Ausf. A └► StuG. III Ausf. B	StuPz. Bison I StuPz. Bison II SdKfz. 124 Wespe
Tier II	Panzerjäger Marder III Ausf. H ├► Panzerjäger Marder III └► Panzerjäger Marder III Ausf. M SdKfz. 9 (8,8 cm FlaK 18 L/56)	PzKpfw. III Ausf. J1 PzKpfw. III Ausf. L PzKpfw. III Ausf. M PzKpfw. III Ausf. K	PzKpfw. IV Ausf. F1 PzKpfw. IV Ausf. F2 PzKpfw. IV Ausf. G	SdKfz. 6/2 └► SdKfz. 7/2 SdKfz. 251/21 SdKfz. 7/1	StuG. III Ausf. F StuG. III Ausf. F/8 StuG. III Ausf. G (Topfblende) StuG. IV	Sd.Kfz. 165/1 Heuschrecke Sd.Kfz. 138/1 Ausf. H └► Sd.Kfz. 138/1 Ausf. K └► Sd.Kfz. 138/1 Ausf. M StuH. 42 Ausf. G
Tier III	Dicker Max SdKfz. 164 Nashorn Leichter Einheitswaffenträger	PzKpfw. VI Tiger I Ausf. H1 PzKpfw. VI Tiger I Ausf. E	PzKpfw. IV Ausf. H └► PzKpfw. IV Ausf. J PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. D PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. A	FlakPz. IV Möbelwagen FlakPz. IV Wirbelwind FlakPz. IV Ostwind	JgdPz. 38(t) JgdPz. IV Pz. IV/70 (Vomag)	Sd.Kfz. 165 Hummel
Tier IV	PzSfl. V Sturer Emil SpPz. SP I.C. M41 Walker Bulldog (Bundeswehr)	PzKpfw. VI Tiger II Ausf. B (Porsche) PzKpfw. VI Tiger II Ausf. B (Henschel)	PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. G PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. F PzKpfw. E-50	M42 Duster (Bundeswehr) FlakPz. IV Kugelblitz	JgdPz. V Jagdpanther Panzerjäger VI Ferdinand └► Panzerjäger VI Elefant Panzerjäger VI Tiger Ausf. B (8,8 cm PaK 43 L/71)	StuPz. IV Brummbär (Late)
Tier V	SPz. 12-3 (105 mm M40A1) SpPz. Ru 251 Begleitpanzer 57 VTS1	PzKpfw. E-75 PzKpfw. VIII Maus PzKpfw. E-100 ( 15 cm KwK 44 L/38) └► PzKpfw. E-100 (12,8 cm KwK 44 L/55) T-54A (NVA) T-55A (NVA)	M47 (Bundeswehr) └►M48A2C (Bundeswehr) M48A2GA2 (Bundeswehr) KPz. Leopard 1A0 KPz. Leopard 1A1A1 └► KPz. Leopard 1A2 KPz. Leopard 1A3 KPz. Keiler	FlakPz. V Coelian FlakPz. I Gepard	Panzerjäger VI Tiger Ausf. B (PaK 44 L/55) KanJPz. 4-5 RakJPz. 1 └► RakJPz. 2 RakJPz. Jaguar 1	StuPz. VI Sturmtiger Geschützwagen Tiger

Edited January 15, 2017 by Saltzer

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

6 hours ago, Saltzer said:

If anybody wants to fiddle around with that tech-tree:

 

	"Panzerjäger" (Open-Topped Tank Destroyers)	Heavy Tanks	Medium Tanks	Anti-Air	"Jagdpanzer" (Encased Tank Destroyers)	Assault/Self-Propelled Guns
Tier I	SdKfz. 250/9 SdKfz. 250/8 └► SdKfz. 251/9 SdKfz. 250/11 SdKfz. 251/10 └► SdKfz. 10 (3,7 cm PaK 36) Panzerjäger I	PzKpfw. III Ausf. B PzKpfw. III Ausf. E PzKpfw. III Ausf. G PzKpfw. III Ausf. F └► PzKpfw. III Ausf. J PzKpfw. III Ausf. H	PzKpfw. II Ausf. C └► PzKpfw. II Ausf. F PzKpfw. II Ausf. L ├► PzKpfw. II Ausf. G └► PzKpfw. II Ausf. J PzKpfw. IV Ausf. C └► PzKpfw. IV Ausf. D PzKpfw. IV Ausf. E	SdKfz. 10/4 └► SdKfz. 10/5 FlakPz. I SdKfz. 251/17 Gepard	PzKpfw. 35(t) Ausf. A PzKpfw. 38(t) Ausf. A └► PzKpfw. 38(t) Ausf. F StuG. III Ausf. A └► StuG. III Ausf. B	StuPz. Bison I StuPz. Bison II SdKfz. 124 Wespe
Tier II	Panzerjäger Marder III Ausf. H ├► Panzerjäger Marder III └► Panzerjäger Marder III Ausf. M SdKfz. 9 (8,8 cm FlaK 18 L/56)	PzKpfw. III Ausf. J1 PzKpfw. III Ausf. L PzKpfw. III Ausf. M PzKpfw. III Ausf. K	PzKpfw. IV Ausf. F1 PzKpfw. IV Ausf. F2 PzKpfw. IV Ausf. G	SdKfz. 6/2 └► SdKfz. 7/2 SdKfz. 251/21 SdKfz. 7/1	StuG. III Ausf. F StuG. III Ausf. F/8 StuG. III Ausf. G (Topfblende) StuG. IV	Sd.Kfz. 165/1 Heuschrecke Sd.Kfz. 138/1 Ausf. H └► Sd.Kfz. 138/1 Ausf. K └► Sd.Kfz. 138/1 Ausf. M StuH. 42 Ausf. G
Tier III	Dicker Max SdKfz. 164 Nashorn Leichter Einheitswaffenträger	PzKpfw. VI Tiger I Ausf. H1 PzKpfw. VI Tiger I Ausf. E	PzKpfw. IV Ausf. H └► PzKpfw. IV Ausf. J PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. D PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. A	FlakPz. IV Möbelwagen FlakPz. IV Wirbelwind FlakPz. IV Ostwind	JgdPz. 38(t) JgdPz. IV Pz. IV/70 (Vomag)	Sd.Kfz. 165 Hummel
Tier IV	PzSfl. V Sturer Emil SpPz. SP I.C. M41 Walker Bulldog (Bundeswehr)	PzKpfw. VI Tiger II Ausf. B (Porsche) PzKpfw. VI Tiger II Ausf. B (Henschel)	PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. G PzKpfw. V Panther Ausf. F PzKpfw. E-50	M42 Duster (Bundeswehr) FlakPz. IV Kugelblitz	JgdPz. V Jagdpanther Panzerjäger VI Ferdinand └► Panzerjäger VI Elefant Panzerjäger VI Tiger Ausf. B (8,8 cm PaK 43 L/71)	StuPz. IV Brummbär (Late)
Tier V	SPz. 12-3 (105 mm M40A1) SpPz. Ru 251 Begleitpanzer 57 VTS1	PzKpfw. E-75 PzKpfw. VIII Maus PzKpfw. E-100 ( 15 cm KwK 44 L/38) └► PzKpfw. E-100 (12,8 cm KwK 44 L/55) T-54A (NVA) T-55A (NVA)	M47 (Bundeswehr) └►M48A2C (Bundeswehr) M48A2GA2 (Bundeswehr) KPz. Leopard 1A0 KPz. Leopard 1A1A1 └► KPz. Leopard 1A2 KPz. Leopard 1A3 KPz. Keiler	FlakPz. V Coelian FlakPz. I Gepard	Panzerjäger VI Tiger Ausf. B (PaK 44 L/55) KanJPz. 4-5 RakJPz. 1 └► RakJPz. 2 RakJPz. Jaguar 1	StuPz. VI Sturmtiger Geschützwagen Tiger

Which Keiler are you adding? The 105mm smoothbore version or the 120mm smoothbore version?

[Saltzer 2,454]

38 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

Which Keiler are you adding? The 105mm smoothbore version or the 120mm smoothbore version?

Dunno', OP didn't specify.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

16 minutes ago, Saltzer said:

Dunno', OP didn't specify.

I would not really recommend adding it unless you want composite armoured vehicles in game to be honest.

Edited January 15, 2017 by Mercedes4321

[stefffff1871 2,448]

So i edited my Tree and added some more vehicles, thanks to @McPuff, @Lord_of_Sofa and @Saltzer

Edited January 15, 2017 by stefffff1871

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

1 minute ago, stefffff1871 said:

So i edited my Tree and added som mor vehicles thanks to @McPuff, @Lord_of_Sofa and @Saltzer

More Hetzers and less VTS1. Yay 

 

Maybe you should consider an other form to post it, because this picture is really hard to read.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

Just now, Lord_of_Sofa said:

More Hetzers and less VTS1. Yay 

 

Maybe you should consider an other form to post it, because this picture is really hard to read.

Maybe a publically viewable google sheet? I find that works pretty well

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

Two more suggestions from me.

 

1. Why don't you switch the Armored Car line for a Light/Recon Vehicle line? That way you could take it all the way up to T5

 

2. How about the Radpanzer 90 for T5? It'S a bit new and a prototype, but it just looks so badass.

Spoiler

 

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

A suggestion for you

A Bergepanther modified to carry a 3.7 cm FlaK gun

Edited January 16, 2017 by Mercedes4321

[Saltzer 2,454]

1 minute ago, Mercedes4321 said:

A Panther modified to carry a 3.7 cm FlaK gun

Where would you even put that though? Too low a BR and the tank is too well armored, too high and the Flak becomes comparatively under-powered.