ground vehicles Char FCM 2C

[CaID 8,996]

 

i would like to suggest the most wanted French heavy tank. the Char 2C

 

the Char 2C was the only mass produced super heavy tank ever made, while been obsolete and old, the Char 2C was still in services in WW2 wand still a treat for the enemy tanks. slow, larger and heavy, was well armed and armored for the tanks of Tier 1 in the game. with 45mm of armor in the thickness point and a larger crew of 12 men, this tank is a behemoth who could impose his will to the battle field and take a lot of damage before been taken out. while been a monster, the tank is also slow with a top speed of 15km/h and the 45mm or armor can be penetrated by nearly all tanks guns. the large size and slow speed allow the enemy to flank it easily enough which will just add to the fairness of the game, the 75mm gun is likely to destroy any low tier tier target in a shot or two while this tank himself is likely to take many shot to be destroy. the two engine allow the tank to still be mobile with a reduced speed if one engine is broken wich just add to the resilience of this tank. the FCM 1C is simply a punching bag in the battlefield who can punch back twice as hard. 

while been produced in small number, the FCM 2C was mass produced and all tanks was well documented. the tank was in serviced in the french army as a breakthrough heavy tank. his job was to breach the enemy line to open the way to smaller tank. initially working along side of the Renault FT, the FCM 2C saw his service prolonged and saw the Renault FT been replaced by the H-35 and R-35, B1, D1, D2 and S-35. the long lived tank remained mostly unchanged during all his 20 years of serviced.

the FCM 2C was a tank designed by Forges & Chantiers de la Méditerranée in the late 10s and early 20s inspared from the FCM 1A who was  an experimental heavy tank of WW1. initially planed to be produced with 300 tanks, the FCM 2C project was cancelled in 1919 due to political reason and foreign presure to put the british Mark VIII into service, however, Frace was in a situation of over industrial capacity and a small seried of 10 Char 2C was produced and finished in 1921. the FCM 2C was the last domestic tank produced in france until 1931.

 

the Char FCM 2C was considered as the only Super-heavy tank to even been mass-produced. while been very heavy, other tank like the Tiger 1H was about of the same weight, the only reason that tank was considered as super-heavy was the large difference of weigh over the average tanks used in that time (nearly twice as heavy as the other heavy tank of his time). the tank was weighted 69 ton, mostly due to the 30mm armor which was one of the thickest armor of his time. the armor was initially 30mm thick in the front and 22mm in the side and rear but a later upgrade was made to raise the frontal armor to 45mm. the tank was over size with 12mm long (when the tail was fitted) 3m large and 4m tall, it was the biggest tank confirmed to be built. the armament was consisting as a 75mm APX 1897 of 75mm with 124 shell and 4 8mm machine-guns. the MGs was placed in different place, 1 in the front of the hull, 1 in a auxiliary rear turret and two in the bow on both side of the tank near the front. 

 

while been mostly untouched after the little addition of frontal armor, a variant of the tank was tried on the Char 2C Champagne. the Champagne was modified with a 155mm hotwitzer gun in the main turret, the gun was using HE shell only. the Modification was know to be the FCM 2C BIS at this caliber, the HE shell would have a decent penetration to be added to the game as a derp tank. the modificaiton was made in 1926 and the FCM 2C champagne was reverted into a norma lFCM 2C in 1936.

 

^{FCM 2Cbis armed with a 155mm, this modification was made and tested for about 10year before reverting it to standard FCM 2C}

in 1939, a upgrade was made on the FCM 2C Lorraine to make it iminuted to the german gun. the armor was upgraded to 90mm in the front and 65mm on the side. those modification was been made by Société des Aciéries d'Homecourt but with the lack of evidence, this modification seem to never had been made. the weight was reportedly been reaching 75ton and the speed 12km/h

^{FCM 2C up-armored, we can clearly see the additional armor on the front and the top of the tank.}

 

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Specifications
Weight	69 tonnes (68 long tons; 76 short tons)
Length	10.27 m (33 ft 8 in)
Width	3 m (9 ft 10 in)
Height	4.09 m (13 ft 5 in)
Crew	12
Armour	45 mm (1.8 in) max.
Main armament	75 mm Canon de 75 modèle 1897
Secondary armament	Four 8 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1914 machine guns (three in gimbal ball mounts at front and both sides forward, one mounted in a rear turret)
Engine	Two engines 2 x 250 hp
Suspension	unsprung
Operational range	150 km (93 mi)
Speed	15 km/h (9.3 mph)

 

 

 

 

 

source

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_2C

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/FCM-2C.php

http://aviarmor.net/tww2/tanks/france/fcm2c.htm

https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/classement-individuel/fcm-2c?task=view&id=48

Edited May 29, 2018 by CaID

[SAUBER_KH7 3,326]

Open for Discussion.

[mpata10 92]

It seems good but with such a high profile it would be an easy target. NUt i dont care +1

[CaID 8,996]

29 minutes ago, mpata10 said:

It seems good but with such a high profile it would be an easy target. NUt i dont care +1

a tier 1 at 2.0 or something around there, it would be a big target but with 12 crew member, it would need more than 2-3 shot to take it out and he will need 1 shoot to take you out.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

I'll support this.  I should note that if only one of these is added (though I hope that the very least we get one with the normal armament AND the Char 2C bis), it'd probably either be Lorraine (the "command tank" of the series which was the one that allegedly got extra armor) or Champagne (which may have been discovered in-tact by the Soviets years after being captured by the Germans and shipped back to Russia, meaning that there's a VERY small chance that it survived the war, but it was probably scrapped).

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

+4. i don't care who i have to yell at or how many change.org pages i have to make. i want these monsters. tanks so large and absurd that they were named like battleships and were practically the pride of an entire industry in being called Superheavy. that work was done up to 1939 to add to their perceived invincibility makes it all even better.

 

these could be the T95s of low tier 2 / upper tier 1. slow as hell, well armed (well... well enough armed) and large enough to sponge damage like crazy. i'd say 2.3-3.3 BR range. as for regular vs premium, a2/2 or 3/1 ratio would work.

[CaID 8,996]

3 minutes ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

+4. i don't care who i have to yell at or how many change.org pages i have to make. i want these monsters. tanks so large and absurd that they were named like battleships and were practically the pride of an entire industry in being called Superheavy. that work was done up to 1939 to add to their perceived invincibility makes it all even better.

 

these could be the T95s of low tier 2 / upper tier 1. slow as hell, well armed (well... well enough armed) and large enough to sponge damage like crazy. i'd say 2.3-3.3 BR range. as for regular vs premium, a2/2 or 3/1 ratio would work.

France was naming all their Heavy tank before the ww2. all the Char B1 was also named with the name of the city, region or province of the crew.

 

Edited December 20, 2017 by CaID

[CaID 8,996]

On 12/19/2017 at 8:58 PM, Z3r0_ said:

I'll support this.  I should note that if only one of these is added (though I hope that the very least we get one with the normal armament AND the Char 2C bis), it'd probably either be Lorraine (the "command tank" of the series which was the one that allegedly got extra armor) or Champagne (which may have been discovered in-tact by the Soviets years after being captured by the Germans and shipped back to Russia, meaning that there's a VERY small chance that it survived the war, but it was probably scrapped).

i found this picture somewhere in the web wich is a FMC 2C with clear additional armor over the other FMC 2C. it's just an evidence that there was an up-armored FMC. it was most likely to be 90mm in the front and 65mm in the side like it was reported. also i note that the top seem to also have additional armor.

 

Edited December 22, 2017 by CaID

[WiseMinerva 454]

+1 support

 

I completely support this. It would be a crime to not have the 2C in game.

[Van_Darkholme69 500]

+1

[WindowsXPisBest@psn 1,595]

This is a MUST HAVE tank for the French.

[Zander_Nobuyuki 63]

+1

[NoVegas 36]

+1 I like the Idea of having the Uparmored or 155mm Howitzer models.

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

+1 though I don't think we'll see this for a while - still waiting for my TOG! 

[CaID 8,996]

1 hour ago, Time4Tea said:

+1 though I don't think we'll see this for a while - still waiting for my TOG! 

 

TOG, I-O and the 2C are the long waited behemoth of the game. 2 of them are easy to get the reliable info while the I-O is a lot more difficult. but still wish to see it at some point.

[Xenecrite 899]

@CaID

if you want information I have lots of information about them
-As the FMC 2C BIS tank is a Canon 155 C model 1917 Schneider which was equipped in 1921 until 1923 for test field I presume a prototype was realized but we lose track

Ps:"155mm M1917 Howitzer"

http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Fichiers/Fiches_USA.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155_C_modèle_1917_Schneider

[WindowsXPisBest@psn 1,595]

3 hours ago, CaID said:

 

TOG, I-O and the 2C are the long waited behemoth of the game. 2 of them are easy to get the reliable info while the I-O is a lot more difficult. but still wish to see it at some point.

O-I*

 

French definitely needs Char 2C. Since low tier French tanks are getting wrecked by T-35's.

[Milocat 4,854]

I would have so much fun driving these around. 

[WindowsXPisBest@psn 1,595]

Speaking of Char 2C. What about the FCM 1A which is a precursor of the FCM 2C?

 

 

75mm Long Barrel Version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

105mm Short Barrel Version.

 

 

Armor: 35mm's

Speed: 10km/h

Crew: 6

Edited February 9, 2018 by *cartman400

[CaID 8,996]

6 minutes ago, *cartman400 said:

Speaking of Char 2C. What about the FCM 1A which is a precursor of the FCM 2C?

 

 

75mm Long Barrel Version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

105mm Short Barrel Version.

 

 

Armor: 30mm's

Speed: 10km/h

Crew: 6

30mm and 10km/h is slow and weak for such a big target. keep in mind that the 10km/h is the top speed in the perfect condition, off-road it would be something 7-8 if it's flat and will take a while to get that speed. also the turret is not turning fast, about 3-4 degree sec. so the tank is slow, turn just as slow and the turret cannot fallow the target. i do not think people will enjoy that tank

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10 minutes ago, CaID said:

30mm and 10km/h is slow and weak for such a big target. keep in mind that the 10km/h is the top speed in the perfect condition, off-road it would be something 7-8 if it's flat and will take a while to get that speed. also the turret is not turning fast, about 3-4 degree sec. so the tank is slow, turn just as slow and the turret cannot fallow the target. i do not think people will enjoy that tank

Oops, I meant 35mm's. But yeah you're right. They'll have to add WW1 era tanks if they wanna add this thing. The French quickly scrapped this tank because they're all like "eh, not big & armored enough". so the FCM 1A was replaced by the Char 2C.

Edited February 9, 2018 by *cartman400

[CaID 8,996]

4 minutes ago, *cartman400 said:

Oops, I meant 35mm's. But yeah you're right. They'll have to add WW1 era tanks if they wanna add this thing. The French quickly scrapped this tank because they're all like "eh, not big & armored enough". so the FCM 1A was replaced by the Char 2C.

that is the problem with the ww1 era, it's not that the tank is not interesting but more about the game-play willn't be interesting unless they boost the speed like they do for the ship, but if they boost the speed by something like double for all the WW1 tank, they would need to also double the speed of every tank  which would mean the M18 will be jet powered. the Tier 0 tank may bring a lot of interesting tank to the game but it would be difficult to bring those tank into a interesting gameplay. also in ww1, the tank wasn't built to face other tank wich mean they wasn't really using AP round but more HE round and other kind of round used for the infantry and fortification. so most of those tank couldn't even destroy themselves or other tank. that is why i think that would bring the a boring game-play. but there is very old tank that could be fitting to the game all the same. those could be added to the low tier depending of their performance. for example, the Fiat 3000 and the Grosstraktor is fitting to the game. good tank can also be old tank. they just need to have a minimal ballance between speed and firepower. 15km/h is barely decent but if the armor and the crew allow to take many hit it's fine. if you can return the hit and kill the enemy with a single shot, i consider it fitting. i am sure the FMC 1A could kill anything in tier one, but i am not certain it would menage to aim an enemy that easily before everyone start to shot at him, and it couldn't get out of the way and will take half of the hit required to destroy the FMC 2C

[NoVegas 36]

On 2/9/2018 at 11:24 PM, CaID said:

that is the problem with the ww1 era, it's not that the tank is not interesting but more about the game-play willn't be interesting unless they boost the speed like they do for the ship, but if they boost the speed by something like double for all the WW1 tank, they would need to also double the speed of every tank  which would mean the M18 will be jet powered. the Tier 0 tank may bring a lot of interesting tank to the game but it would be difficult to bring those tank into a interesting gameplay. also in ww1, the tank wasn't built to face other tank wich mean they wasn't really using AP round but more HE round and other kind of round used for the infantry and fortification. so most of those tank couldn't even destroy themselves or other tank. that is why i think that would bring the a boring game-play. but there is very old tank that could be fitting to the game all the same. those could be added to the low tier depending of their performance. for example, the Fiat 3000 and the Grosstraktor is fitting to the game. good tank can also be old tank. they just need to have a minimal ballance between speed and firepower. 15km/h is barely decent but if the armor and the crew allow to take many hit it's fine. if you can return the hit and kill the enemy with a single shot, i consider it fitting. i am sure the FMC 1A could kill anything in tier one, but i am not certain it would menage to aim an enemy that easily before everyone start to shot at him, and it couldn't get out of the way and will take half of the hit required to destroy the FMC 2C

The Char 2C actually had top speed of 15km/h which is still slow but its crew is where it becomes a viable option in this game.  with 12 crew members this beast will take some hits and keep going.  I highly recommend using the uparmored or 155mm howitzer models in game instead of the original design to either give it more survivable or make it more lethal on the battlefield.  while this Tank never saw action during ww2, i think it woud have made for an interesting battles against the early panzer models when combined with tanks such as the B1 and Somua S.35 that the French also fielded at the time.

 

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/operational-super-heavy-tank-wwii.html

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11 hours ago, NoVegas said:

The Char 2C actually had top speed of 15km/h which is still slow but its crew is where it becomes a viable option in this game.  with 12 crew members this beast will take some hits and keep going.  I highly recommend using the uparmored or 155mm howitzer models in game instead of the original design to either give it more survivable or make it more lethal on the battlefield.  while this Tank never saw action during ww2, i think it woud have made for an interesting battles against the early panzer models when combined with tanks such as the B1 and Somua S.35 that the French also fielded at the time.

 

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/operational-super-heavy-tank-wwii.html

this behemoth is of course tier 2 meterial and also the oldest tank to add in warthunder. there is not much good ww1 tanks that took part in ww2 even if it didn't saw active combat.

for the 155mm, it would be nice to have it but i think that one is more Premium material since it was only tested on a single tank and it was before the ww2 and the last reason was the modification was later reverted.

the original tank with the 75mm is good enough to me. it's a variant of the same gun mounted on the M3 GMC. the reaload is slow but the gun can still kill well.

the armor is of 30mm or 45mm is barely enough to give a little defense. but the upgrade of 1939 is making this tank a real titan. it would be hard to take it out. this variant could even make it to tier 3.

[Results45 2,200]

As a WWI-interwar tank at Tier 0? YES!!!  

 

Some gameplay until we get it:

Spoiler

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Also, just FYI the 75mm gun on the Char 2C is the same as the one used by the "75mm M3 GMC" ingame.