aircraft/loadouts Fiat G.91R/3 - Hans' Legendary Pepperoni Slices

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

This time, to satisfy everyone, reinforce the Italians and strengthen the axis side, I'm suggesting the G.91R/3! A plane that is always requested and begged for.

 

 

Quick overview:

 

 

Spoiler

 

The Fiat G.91R/3 is an Italian jet fighter made by Fiat Aviazione (which later became Aeritalia) in the 1950s and used by West Germany. It was a small upgrade over the R/1 reconnaissance variant, featuring two 30mm DEFA cannons instead of four Browning machine guns, and other ups such as the ability of carrying heavier payloads and reinforced spars and main airframe.

Fiat built 50, while Dornier completed 295.

 

 

 

 

History, design and development (general G.91 history):

 

 

Spoiler

 

In late 1953, NATO issued a requirement for a "Light Weight Strike Fighter (LWSF)" for use by NATO member nations. The LWSF was to be a small, simple, cheap, aircraft that could be built in large numbers. It was to be capable of operation from unimproved airstrips, be easy to service and maintain, have built-in armament of four 12.7-millimeter (0.50-caliber) Browning machine guns or twin 20-millimeter or 30-millimeter automatic cannon, and be powered by the British Bristol Siddeley Orpheus small turbojet.

A half-dozen aircraft firms submitted proposals, with three designs selected for evaluation in 1955: the French Dassault "Mystere XXVI" and Breguet "Taon", plus the Italian Fiat Aviazone "G.91". The initial prototype G.91 was the first of the lot to take to the air, with maiden flight from Caselle airfield in Turin on 9 August 1956, Fiat chief test pilot Riccardo Bignamini. It was powered by the Orpheus 801 engine variant, with 18 kN (1,835 kgp / 4,050 lbf) thrust and was not fitted with armament.

Although the G.91 had a long lead on its competitors, its development program suffered a setback when out-of-control vibration caused the loss of the first prototype on 26 February 1957, Bignamini ejecting safely. A second prototype with modifications such as a shorter tailfin, a raised canopy, a ventral fin, and revised landing gear first flew on 26 July 1957. This machine was powered by an Orpheus 803 turbojet with 21.6 kN (2,200 kgp / 4,850 lbf) thrust and was armed with four Browning machine guns.

A third prototype was then built, with Fiat moving on to build 27 pre-series / evaluation aircraft. The third prototype and the first pre-series machine were sent to France for participation in the LWSF evaluation. The G.91 was declared the winner in January 1958; there was an intent to acquire the Breguet Taon as well, but it never happened. Although neither of the French contenders would enter production, the Mystere XXVI would lead, indirectly, to the Dassault Etendard naval strike fighter and the Taon would lead, even more indirectly, to the Anglo-French SEPECAT Jaguar strike fighter. Incidentally, Northrop of the US had submitted a design, the "N-156", for the competition that didn't make it into the finals, but would later emerge as the popular F-5 fighter.

The first G.91s were delivered to the Aeronautica Militare Italiana (AMI / Italian Air Force) in 1958. The 27 pre-series aircraft were never really operational machines, though 16 of them were modified to become the mount for the AMI's "Frecce Tricolori" aerobatic demonstration team, with their machines fitted with smoke trail generators and the guns replaced by ballast. These machines were designated "G.91PAN" and "wowed the crowds" until 1982, when they were replaced by the Aermacchi MB.339 trainer.

 

The actual initial service variant of the G.91 was the "G.91R", with the solid nose of the baseline G.91 replaced by a nose with three Vinten cameras. Four pre-production machines were modified to the initial "G.91R/1" subvariant for evaluation; they eventually became part of the set of 16 G.91PAN machines, but 22 G.91R/1 fighters were built new, all going into AMI service, the G.91 ultimately replacing the AMI's US North American / Canadair F-86 Sabres and Republic F-84 Thunderjets. 

 

 

 

Internal Components:
 

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Cockpit:
 

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Specifications

 

 

Spoiler

 

Fiat G.91R/3

 

 

General Characteristics

 

Number built: 345 (50 by Fiat, 295 by Dornier)

First flight: 9/8/1956

Role: Fighter/Light Attacker

Crew: 1

Length: 10.29 m (33.9 ft)

Wingspan: 8.53 m (27.12 ft)

Wing area: 16.42 m² (177 ft²)

Height: 3.96 m (12.12 ft)

Empty weight: 3,100 kg (6,834 lbs)

Loaded weight: 5,440 kg (11,933 lbs)

Max. takeoff weight: 5,500 kg (12,125 lbs)

Powerplant: 1 x Bristol-Siddeley  Orpheus 803 turbojet engine developing 2,267.962 kgf of thrust (22.24 kN, 5,000 lbf)

 

Performance

 

Maximum speed:

• 1,075 km/h (668 mph, 580.45 knots) at sea level
• 1,080 km/h (671 mph, 583 knots) at 1,520 m (4,987 ft)

Cruise speed: 670 km/h (416 mph, 372 knots)

Rate of climb: 30.5 m/s (100.06 ft/s)

Service ceiling: 12,190 m (39,993.438 ft)

Range: 641 km (398 mi, 346 nmi)

Wing loading: 

• Empty weight: 188.794153 kg/m² (38.67 lb. ft²)
• Loaded weight: 331.303289 kg/m² (67.86 lb. ft²)
• Max. takeoff weight: 334.957369 kg/m² (68.6 lb. ft²)

Thrust/weight:

• Empty weight: 0.73
• Loaded weight: 0.42
• Max. takeoff weight: 0.41

 

Armament

 

Guns: 2 x 30mm DEFA 552 revolver cannons (125 rpg, 250 rounds in total)

Bombs:

• 2 x 1,000 lbs (2 x 454 kg)

OR

• 2 x 500 lbs (2 x 227 kg) 

OR

• 4 x 550 lbs (2 x 250 kg)

OR

• 2 x 250 lbs (2 x 113 kg)

OR

2 x 500 lbs (2 x 227 kg) napalm bombs

Rockets: 

• 38 x Hydra-70 unguided rockets in two rocket pods (19 per rocketpod)

OR

• 19 x SNEB unguided rockets in two Matra pods

OR

• 18 x Hispano R80 80mm unguided rockets

OR

• 2 x AS-20 surface-to-air missiles (inboard and outboard)

OR

• 2 x rocket-launchers carrying 3" rockets each ((inboard and outboard)

 

 

 

UPDATE: Big thanks to @kev2go for providing the manual.

 

I couldn't figure out how to implement this table into my format "specifications" format, so I'll leave it here

 

 

Sources/References:

 

Spoiler

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_g91_en.php

http://www.airvectors.net/avamx.html

https://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/50524/Aeritalia-G-91R-3

Emmanuel Gustin. Military Aircraft Database 
Donald D. Complete Encyclopedia of World Aviation: Aircraft and Helicopters of XX Century 
Aerei Italiani - Scheda Tecnica. Fiat G.91 / R

http://www.avialogs.com/viewer/avialogs-documentviewer.php?id=15639

 

 

Edited April 23, 2018 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[Radom 4,245]

Open for discussion 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Radom

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

Ofc +1 for both Italy and Germany, but I was thinking this could replace the MiG15Bis in the german tree as it doesn't really bring anything different from the original one, just a copy paste, etc. 

[swpixy 1,220]

For germany,either behind 262 A1/U4 or Ho-229.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

+1 for Germany
i would place the German version after the Horten (229 was for a long time the CAS). we used the R/3 as a fighter-bomber/ CAS only

Edited April 3, 2018 by dotEXCEL

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

1 hour ago, dotEXCEL said:

+1 for both nations
i would place the German version after the Horten (229 was for a long time the CAS). we used the R/3 as a fighter-bomber/ CAS only

Good thinking

[Borotovas 4,500]

I only support it for Germany since it was only used by Germany. There wasn't even a camouflage that Italy used for the R/3.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

Just now, Borotovas said:

I only support it for Germany since it was only used by Germany. There wasn't even a camouflage that Italy used for the R/3.

 

There was..

5 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Fiat Aviazione actually built 50 R/3s too.

lol

[Borotovas 4,500]

5 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

There was..

lol

 

For the Luftwaffe? So they never wore any Italian markings.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

1 minute ago, Borotovas said:

For the Luftwaffe? So they never wore any Italian markings.

 

They originally had Italian markings before being swapped.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

21 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Good thinking

Thank you good sir

[swpixy 1,220]

20 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

They originally had Italian markings before being swapped.

That would be news to me.Any source on that?

 

[Borotovas 4,500]

1 hour ago, swpixy said:

That would be news to me.Any source on that?

 

 

I believe they were painted with Luftwaffe markings in the factory. Or they were left in bare metal, until being painted after they arrived in Germany. I doubt they’d place Italian markings on them just to ferry them from the factory.

 

If it did have Italian roundel stickers, then it wasn’t really a camouflage, since the plane would not be painted at that point.

 

Similar to how the USAF put USAF stickers on the F86k, just to ferry them from the factory to the customer. It wasn’t a real camouflage. Once it got to the location, the sticker were taken off the bare metal and it was painted in the Luftwaffe camo.

 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Borotovas

[swpixy 1,220]

BTW,you could probably give the DEFA´s as a upgrade option,atleast for the Pre-Series:

http://www.avialogs.com/viewer/avialogs-documentviewer.php?id=15638

Page 35: Aircraft Armament Solutions.

Lists both the quad .50 aswell as the dual 30s as options.Though it would seem that the Italians never used that in service,its quite likely that they would have atleast evaluated it as a option.

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

There was one...

 

Thats R/3 with Italian markings

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

22 minutes ago, TyphoonCro said:

There was one...

 

Thats R/3 with Italian markings

 

Thanks  

 

 

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

8 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Thanks  

 

 

 

That is a jet I could support but for Italy...

If you want to do more research, planes code is MM5257

[Monguntiacum 74]

+1 German and Italian Tree

[swpixy 1,220]

44 minutes ago, TyphoonCro said:

There was one...

 

Thats R/3 with Italian markings

Hate to disappoint you,but...

Thats a Ex-Luftwaffe R/3 (31+70) that was repainted for a museum (Flugausstellung Hermeskeil),its not an actual Italian R/3.Its a Fake,in other words.

The Italians never operated that type.

 

(To be more specific,by the way: Its the Aircraft with the serial number 350)

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2018 by swpixy

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

i'm for it in both trees as its now proven that Fiat made some and a italian camoed model. confirmation pending...

 

for the germans it should come after the Ho 229 as for the germans it was a multipurpose fighter-bomber.

plus seriously, the Me 262 - CL-13A line is the longest (though not the most painful) starter jet to top tier jet grind ingame currently, and just what the hell else can be added after the 229? i've suggested it be the basis of a WWIII german prototypes & paper jets line, but the likelihood of any of those seeing light is slim to none.

 

for the italians it should come after the R/1, which will set up for the G.91 Y/1 nicely.

 

 

EDIT: maybe it could get the treatment the AD-4 got? start in the german tree in patch 1.XX and appear in the italian line in patch 1.XY.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Admiral_Aruon

[Borotovas 4,500]

9 hours ago, swpixy said:

Hate to disappoint you,but...

Thats a Ex-Luftwaffe R/3 (31+70) that was repainted for a museum (Flugausstellung Hermeskeil),its not an actual Italian R/3.Its a Fake,in other words.

The Italians never operated that type.

 

(To be more specific,by the way: Its the Aircraft with the serial number 350)

 

 

 

 

I thought it was fake. I still only support it for Germany, as Italy never used it.

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

To be placed after the Me262 A1/U4

[PickleJarOfDeath 1,499]

On 3/30/2018 at 8:17 AM, dotEXCEL said:

+1 for both nations
i would place the German version after the Horten (229 was for a long time the CAS). we used the R/3 as a fighter-bomber/ CAS only

alpha jet as tier 6 after that as well I presume

[Ska_King_Felix 1,450]

On 3/30/2018 at 4:13 AM, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

This time, to satisfy everyone, reinforce the Italians and strengthen the axis side, I'm suggesting the G.91R/3! A plane that is always requested and begged for, I personally think it should have been added to the game as soon as the Italians came out. 

 

Even though it was only used by the Germans, it was still of Italian origins and the Italians in the game are in much more need of jets than Germany right now. Fiat built 50 in Italy, while Dornier built 295 in West Germany.

 

Why should Italy get it?

 

Because Italy is lacking in rank V material, and the G.91 is Italian in the first place. Fiat Aviazione actually built 50 R/3s too.

 

 

Quick overview:

 

 

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The Fiat G.91R/3 is an Italian jet fighter made by Fiat Aviazione (which later became Aeritalia) in the 1950s and used by West Germany. It was a small upgrade over the R/1 reconnaissance variant, featuring two 30mm DEFA cannons instead of four Browning machine guns, and other ups such as the ability of carrying heavier payloads and reinforced spars and main airframe.

Fiat built 50, while Dornier completed 295.

 

 

 

 

History, design and development (general G.91 history):

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

In late 1953, NATO issued a requirement for a "Light Weight Strike Fighter (LWSF)" for use by NATO member nations. The LWSF was to be a small, simple, cheap, aircraft that could be built in large numbers. It was to be capable of operation from unimproved airstrips, be easy to service and maintain, have built-in armament of four 12.7-millimeter (0.50-caliber) Browning machine guns or twin 20-millimeter or 30-millimeter automatic cannon, and be powered by the British Bristol Siddeley Orpheus small turbojet.

A half-dozen aircraft firms submitted proposals, with three designs selected for evaluation in 1955: the French Dassault "Mystere XXVI" and Breguet "Taon", plus the Italian Fiat Aviazone "G.91". The initial prototype G.91 was the first of the lot to take to the air, with maiden flight from Caselle airfield in Turin on 9 August 1956, Fiat chief test pilot Riccardo Bignamini. It was powered by the Orpheus 801 engine variant, with 18 kN (1,835 kgp / 4,050 lbf) thrust and was not fitted with armament.

Although the G.91 had a long lead on its competitors, its development program suffered a setback when out-of-control vibration caused the loss of the first prototype on 26 February 1957, Bignamini ejecting safely. A second prototype with modifications such as a shorter tailfin, a raised canopy, a ventral fin, and revised landing gear first flew on 26 July 1957. This machine was powered by an Orpheus 803 turbojet with 21.6 kN (2,200 kgp / 4,850 lbf) thrust and was armed with four Browning machine guns.

A third prototype was then built, with Fiat moving on to build 27 pre-series / evaluation aircraft. The third prototype and the first pre-series machine were sent to France for participation in the LWSF evaluation. The G.91 was declared the winner in January 1958; there was an intent to acquire the Breguet Taon as well, but it never happened. Although neither of the French contenders would enter production, the Mystere XXVI would lead, indirectly, to the Dassault Etendard naval strike fighter and the Taon would lead, even more indirectly, to the Anglo-French SEPECAT Jaguar strike fighter. Incidentally, Northrop of the US had submitted a design, the "N-156", for the competition that didn't make it into the finals, but would later emerge as the popular F-5 fighter.

The first G.91s were delivered to the Aeronautica Militare Italiana (AMI / Italian Air Force) in 1958. The 27 pre-series aircraft were never really operational machines, though 16 of them were modified to become the mount for the AMI's "Frecce Tricolori" aerobatic demonstration team, with their machines fitted with smoke trail generators and the guns replaced by ballast. These machines were designated "G.91PAN" and "wowed the crowds" until 1982, when they were replaced by the Aermacchi MB.339 trainer.

 

The actual initial service variant of the G.91 was the "G.91R", with the solid nose of the baseline G.91 replaced by a nose with three Vinten cameras. Four pre-production machines were modified to the initial "G.91R/1" subvariant for evaluation; they eventually became part of the set of 16 G.91PAN machines, but 22 G.91R/1 fighters were built new, all going into AMI service, the G.91 ultimately replacing the AMI's US North American / Canadair F-86 Sabres and Republic F-84 Thunderjets. 

 

 

 

Internal Components:
 

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Cockpit:
 

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Specifications

 

 

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Fiat G.91R/3

 

 

General Characteristics

 

Number built: 345 (50 by Fiat, 295 by Dornier)

First flight: 9/8/1956

Role: Fighter/Light Attacker

Crew: 1

Length: 10.29 m (33.9 ft)

Wingspan: 8.53 m (27.12 ft)

Wing area: 16.42 m² (177 ft²)

Height: 3.96 m (12.12 ft)

Empty weight: 3,100 kg (6,834 lbs)

Loaded weight: 5,440 kg (11,933 lbs)

Max. takeoff weight: 5,500 kg (12,125 lbs)

Powerplant: 1 x Bristol-Siddeley  Orpheus 803 turbojet engine developing 2,267.962 kgf of thrust (22.24 kN, 5,000 lbf)

 

Performance

 

Maximum speed:

• 1,075 km/h (668 mph, 580.45 knots) at sea level
• 1,080 km/h (671 mph, 583 knots) at 1,520 m (4,987 ft)

Cruise speed: 670 km/h (416 mph, 372 knots)

Rate of climb: 30.5 m/s (100.06 ft/s)

Service ceiling: 12,190 m (39,993.438 ft)

Range: 641 km (398 mi, 346 nmi)

Wing loading: 

• Empty weight: 188.794153 kg/m² (38.67 lb. ft²)
• Loaded weight: 331.303289 kg/m² (67.86 lb. ft²)
• Max. takeoff weight: 334.957369 kg/m² (68.6 lb. ft²)

Thrust/weight:

• Empty weight: 0.73
• Loaded weight: 0.42
• Max. takeoff weight: 0.41

 

Armament

 

Guns: 2 x 30mm DEFA 552 revolver cannons (125 rpg, 250 rounds in total)

Bombs:

• 2 x 1,000 lbs (2 x 454 kg)

OR

• 2 x 500 lbs (2 x 227 kg)

OR

• 4 x 550 lbs (2 x 250 kg)

Rockets: 

• 38 x Hydra-70 unguided rockets in two rocket pods (19 per rocketpod)

OR

• 19 x SNEB unguided rockets in two Matra pods

OR

• 18 x Hispano R80 80mm unguided rockets

 

 

 

 

G.91R/3 in Italian markings

 

(thanks to @TyphoonCro for the picture)

 

Sources/References:

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_g91_en.php

http://www.airvectors.net/avamx.html

https://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/50524/Aeritalia-G-91R-3

Emmanuel Gustin. Military Aircraft Database 
Donald D. Complete Encyclopedia of World Aviation: Aircraft and Helicopters of XX Century 
Aerei Italiani - Scheda Tecnica. Fiat G.91 / R

 

 

Just because Italy and Germany need a new top tier jet.  And also that title.

[KoocieKoo 908]

Yes, gib for ger and ita plz! I need more axis things to grind!