Bombers one shot in half...20mm craziness

[Pexitron 217]

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Bombers one shot in half...20mm craziness

   - If you are choked with that, comon and read: a single bullet Api or Ap of 12.7 US do the same! cut in half EVERYTIME all Bombers, all. Its the flight models + the stupid bad upgrade of 0.50 US.

 

USA needed a serious buff when you see the pletora off german "too" OP, but not like this. And they nerf more the Hispano/canon of the British and French who was eneugh crap **** before. And same with japan who have so bad ammo, AP and APi, even HE of 20/30mm not fabulous and random damage.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Pexitron

[Bantaclaus 1]

So at the end of the discussion bombers are ruined unless you are very lucky ........and the developers ignore the impacts of changes. Is there any point in forums outside of venting frustration ????

 

[sardinha08@psn 3,179]

14 hours ago, Bantaclaus said:

So at the end of the discussion bombers are ruined unless you are very lucky ........and the developers ignore the impacts of changes. Is there any point in forums outside of venting frustration ????

I think you just answered your own question.

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

solution: don't play bombers. I know that a couple years ago I had a bit of a thing for ground pounding but nowadays I just play fighters and dogfight and see what happens. 

except when a warbonds task comes up and I need to bomb. And in those cases I load a 2.0 Russian lineup and just put up with it. 

And I never really bombed bases 

Game is still generally reasonably fun

[IdiotInA 1,139]

On 08/11/2018 at 21:17, Meltdown75 said:

Thats it for me flying bombers and attackers. Flying bombers is now the worst it has ever been. You spend half the game climbing to avoid the lower fighters and hopefully most of those that have bothered to climb but there only has to be one and thats your lot. The AI gunners only fire half the time and when they do they couldn't hit a barn door. One hit from a 20mm (sometimes smaller guns) from distance and your fuselage departs company with the cockpit.......EVERY TIME.. BULLCRAP......Gaijin fix it please.........you buffed up the guns on fighters and reduced effect of bombs and increased the amount of damage needed to destroy enemy airbases.....WHY?

Flying bombers is now just a lottery on how long you live, skill has no effect, I have even been shot in half (JU 88) by a bi-plane more than once. idiotic...    Fighters now have all the advantages,  they are spawned too high (or bombers too low)... and as an aside how about letting us choose if we want to go into a domination match. Having a lineup of bombers and being put up against fighters is just suicide and stupid and definately not fun.

You go in bombers to BOMB!!!!! not to get one shotted or pilot sniped. One game i had 5 bombers all pilot sniped....wouldn't mind as much if the co-pilot took over !!!!. Thats what he's there for after all.

Come on Gaijin fix this .... please. make bombing fun again.

I like playing bombers so I do see where your coming from.
However... I also remember last year when I was pumping twin 37mm from my SU6 into bombers to no effect.
What you need to come to terms with is that bombers in Arcade are really dumb.
Yes your right.. it is BULLCRAP to have a game that spawns a bomber into the flight path of enemy fighters with no escorts.
But it's a GAME... no realism in Arcade apart from the essence of the aircraft's FM and DM.
The situation you find yourself in stacks all the cards against you.
I dont give a hoot for daft comments like 'get good with your gunners' like thats the cure to bomber problems.
Yes situational awareness and being a crack shot with your gunners will help. But it doesnt solve the issue.
The issue you are suffering plagues us all. And Ive played this game long enough to tell you there is no answer to balance it.
Arcade maps are tiny. Battle duration is short. Your tactics are limited drastically because of this.
Spawn and assess. Climb at the beginning but if it looks like your team isnt/hasnt won the altitude advantage then just dive to nearest target.
Try and fly towards your friendly climbing fighters... not away from them.
So many bomber players call out 'COVER ME' at the beginning of a match and then fly off away from their team's climbing fighters. 
If your flying your bomber a couple of KM from a friendly fighter or two only the dumbest player is going to target you first.
Bomber hunters seek to take out other fighters are their altitude first.  Your slow **** can wait till they've dealt with those.
So dont dive away in those situations. So many bomber players cry out for an escort... get one... then nose dive at the first sign of trouble.
No wonder its so hard to get a fighter to escort you lol
If you expect your bomber to make it across the map to bomb bases more than 20% of the time your playing the wrong game mode.

Its also BULLCRAP to have attackers like IL2s and the like attacking ground targets in an air space that is still being contested by fighters.
That why they are also cannon fodder to fighters.
Bombers are much more rewarding in Realistic Battle where you get half a chance to fly them semi realistically.
 

Edited November 26, 2018 by IdiotInA

[LitenTroll 0]

On 08/11/2018 at 23:17, Meltdown75 said:

Thats it for me flying bombers and attackers. Flying bombers is now the worst it has ever been. You spend half the game climbing to avoid the lower fighters and hopefully most of those that have bothered to climb but there only has to be one and thats your lot. The AI gunners only fire half the time and when they do they couldn't hit a barn door. One hit from a 20mm (sometimes smaller guns) from distance and your fuselage departs company with the cockpit.......EVERY TIME.. BULLCRAP......Gaijin fix it please.........you buffed up the guns on fighters and reduced effect of bombs and increased the amount of damage needed to destroy enemy airbases.....WHY?

Flying bombers is now just a lottery on how long you live, skill has no effect, I have even been shot in half (JU 88) by a bi-plane more than once. idiotic...    Fighters now have all the advantages,  they are spawned too high (or bombers too low)... and as an aside how about letting us choose if we want to go into a domination match. Having a lineup of bombers and being put up against fighters is just suicide and stupid and definately not fun.

You go in bombers to BOMB!!!!! not to get one shotted or pilot sniped. One game i had 5 bombers all pilot sniped....wouldn't mind as much if the co-pilot took over !!!!. Thats what he's there for after all.

Come on Gaijin fix this .... please. make bombing fun again.

ante re malaka pou thes kai fix mounopano

[f_ritz 24]

When it comes to heavy bombers, the damage depends on the kind of 20mm.

German/American/Swedish 20mm? Those things will eat you up, might as well J out. Given the prevalence of Germans and Americans at heavy bomber BR battles I'm not surprised the OP is frustrated.

British/French 20mm? I don't trust them when attacking a B-17 (or anything of the sort).

Russian/Japanese 20mm? Don't even think about it.

 

Too many players spawn heavy bombers while high altitude is still contested. IRL heavy bombers weren't flown over heavily contested altitude without significant escorts, and even then they suffered losses. I've had my share of games where I retained air superiority long enough for friendly bombers to clean up the airfield. If your team keeps control of altitude properly (which almost never happens in a game full of randos) you should be fine.

 

IMO there's no easy answer to the question of heavy bombers in air AB. If everybody played the game realistically then it would be fine, but the reality is that most people (including myself if I'm stock grinding) dive at the first bomber they see because "hurr durr bomber easy target" and forget they need to play the altitude game. Map design and battle time is also a factor; maps are too small and matches are too short (for any plane) to do much else besides dive and hope for the best.