aircraft/loadouts Dassault-Mirage-IIIC Interceptor / First Production Model

[pieve 3,578]

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Dassault-Mirage-IIIC

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Considered the best interceptor by several specialists, it is operated by 21 air forces, besides the French.

 

A little bit of history about Mirage:

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The origin of the Mirage III came from the MD-550 project, one of several interceptors of ephemeral life constructed in France during the decade of 50.

France, like the rest of the world, needed an airplane capable of opposing efficiently against the threat posed by the new bombers.Myashishchev 4, around 1955 (the same time that the Americans put their B-52 into activity), whose existence caused every strategist a great apprehension. It would be necessary to have effective rapid intercepting fighters with high ascension speeds to intercept the enemy in the shortest time possible so that they could deal with these bombers. For this, it was not necessary to maneuverability, only attack speed, which gave Mirage designers a certain comfort in relation to its design.

Undoubtedly, this was, in short, the origin of a whole generation of high-speed interceptors that emerged, both in France through Mirage III, as in the rest of the world, as Lockheed F-104, MIG-21, Convair F-102/106, BAC. Lightning, and to some extent the YF-I2A and MIG-25.

 

Dassault had designed the MD-550, whose first flight was June 24, 1955 in Melun-Villroche, piloted by Roland Glavany, being a plane of delta wings relatively small, 10.5m long, 3,65m high and 8,00m wide. Powered by two MD-3 OR turbines of 980 kg thrust each, in fact the British model "Armstrong Siddeley Viper", built under license by Marcel Dassault. This device was given the designation Mirage I, after some modifications, as a replacement of the tail by a smaller height with the arrowhead outlet, in addition to placing the dorsal section of the fuselage perfectly horizontal. This was the first example of light hunting that met the needs of the "Armée de L'Air", which did not weigh more than five tons and could fly at Mach 1.3 speed, aided by the 1,500kg thrust SEPR 66 rockets, along with the MD-30 turbines. that it was possible to build a supersonic fighter and monoreator, having only to have the proper motive power, thus choosing the SNECMA ATAR 9 turbine, which in fact had been derived from the German model BMW 003 of World War II.

 

The Mirage II was never built, only being a project. So the Mirage III became a reality when, on November 17, 1956, it left the Dassault prototype hangar to make its first flight, the Mirage III-001,which was quite similar to its predecessor the Mirage I or MD-550,flew and flew well, having been accepted with slight modifications by the French Military Aviation, beginning with the production of a pre-series of 10 copies, all equipped with the turbine SNECMA ATAR 9.

Mirage IIIA Prototype

 

The Dassault Mirage IIIC is the most successful European supersonic fighter in terms of units produced. In that sense, he overcame the Hawker Hunter by dominating the export market for fighter jets. Including the Mirage 5 and the 50 - basically the model III with revised designations for commercialization -, it arrived at 1,400 manufactured apparatuses, serving to 21 air forces, besides French.

Twenty years after its entry into service, the continuous production of series III, 5 and 50 testifies to the quality of its basic design.

The search for a high performance delta fighter began in Germany, before World War II. who directed the project was Professor Alexander Lippisch, later responsible for the Messerchmitt Me-163 Komet, unmanned rocket interceptor, with a maximum speed of 954 km / h, at 9,145. German research on delta wing behavior in the wind tunnel was studied by the Allies after the war, serving as the basis for the design of the Convair XF-92A, an experimental subsonic airplane that first flew on 18 September 1948. The results obtained by the XF-92A encouraged Convair to insist on the triangular wing. His successor, the YF-102 Delta Dagger, broke the sound barrier on December 21, 1954.
Avro also performed delta wing designs, starting with Type 707, an experimental airplane from 1949, and reaching the Vulcan, which flew for the first time in 1952. They were all supersonic designs for a Mach 0.9 cruising speed combined with one large volume of fuel. But it was the Fairey FD.2, whose first flight took place in 1954, that Britain won the world speed record: 1,811 km / h, or Mach 1,7. This project is sometimes touted as inspiring Mirage III. However, there was so much delta wing-related activity in the mid-1950s that it seems unreasonable to attribute to any particular project the start of the French sirie, although Fairey's activities may have injected additional trust into Dassault.

 

The development of the Dassault Delta wing began in the mid-1950s, after the Korean War. One of the lessons of this conflict was the evidence that the Soviet Union could manufacture high performance fighters, although the first generation of winged wings (Mikoyan-Gurevich Mig-15) was based on German aerodynamics and a British propeller. The fact is that there was not a single European fighter that equaled the best of the Soviets. Initially, in Europe, the Gloster Meteor was developed (as incredible as it seems, to cover the North American F-86 Saber), which soon ended up relegated to ground attacks. Among the American fighters, excepting the Saber, none would survive a combat with the Mig-15.
By designing new western fighters that could match or surpass the Mig-15s and their successors, the manufacturers sought buoyancy by incorporating post-burners and reduced aerodynamic drag, thanks to more delusional fuselages. Americans and Soviets followed this path, reaching, respectively, the North American F-100 Super Saber and the Mig-19; both flew in 1953. Two years later, the French developed the Dassault Super Mystère. The three models had winged winged wings, were endowed with post-burners and reached Mach 1.1 to 1.3. They were good gadgets and remained in service for a long time; but in terms of absolute performance, they were only steps towards the Mach 2 fighter.

 

Designers knew that speed would quickly reach the Mach 2 and 2.5 range, the aluminum temperature limit. This would be a difficult barrier to overcome. Who could produce a good machine Mach 2 could therefore sell it for many years, being its maker in a privileged position. Lockeeed produced the F-104 Starfighter, with a short wing, of almost zero firing and incredibly reduced thickness / rope ratio (3.3%). This value meant half the wing thickness of the previous fighters and required special construction techniques, not only from the structural point of view, but mainly as regards the placement of the aileron actuator inside the wing. Stories were circulating, at the time, of maintenance personnel hurting themselves on the F-104's leading edge. But this one, in fact, is rounder and far less dangerous than onboard escape from any conventional hunting.

 

The Starfighter's wings are of little use for storing fuel or landing gear, and the main disadvantage of this hunting is at its high landing speed. As your weight increases with extra equipment (especially a surveillance radar), this requires a blast of auxiliary, sacred turbine air on the flaps. The result is a plane that is difficult to maneuver at low speed. Despite these inconveniences, the F-104 won the Mirage by becoming NATO's standard fighter and being selected for production in Japan

 

 

The Avions Marcel Dassault (which in 1971 was renamed Dassault-Breguet) took the opposite path to the Lockheed: instead of a small straight wing, he opted for a large 60-degree delta wing; so large that it dispensed the flaps for extra support and the horizontal plane of the tail. Instead of a slim aerofolio, which would require new construction techniques, Dassault opted for a 5.0% section built by traditional methods. In combination with the delta rope rails, such design provided enough wing thickness to accommodate the landing gear (including the wheels) and a considerable amount of fuel. This wing was steely enough to result in small drag, enabling high supersex speeds with a French thrust of low thrust. This ensured more operational flexibility, while the Starfighter proved to be more suitable for high-speed flight at low altitude.
The first Dassault Delta winged aircraft flew on June 25, 1955. It was the MD.550 Mirage I, which used two Rolls-Royce Viper turbojets with 794 kg of static thrust each. He was then given a 1,500 kg SEPR 66 rocket motor in thrust and with this mixed propulsion reached Mach 1.3 in December 1956. The combination of "cruising" rocket turbine was widely used at the time as an artifact increase the rate of climb and the operational ceiling of the aircraft. Most of the air forces soon abandoned this idea, given the difficulties related to the handling of fuel, with the disappearance of France, who insisted on this combination.

 

Refinement for Mach 2

The initial design of the Mirage II, MD550's successor, envisaged two Gabizo turbojets with 1,500 kg of thrust each. After the cancellation of this impeller assembly, the fuselage was modified to receive only one SNECMA Atar 101G turbine, with post-burners and 4,500 kg of thrust. Later renamed as Mirage III-001, this aircraft made its first flight on November 18, 1956. With the addition of a rocket-engine similar to the one that matched the MD.550, on January 27, 1957 it hit Mach 1.8 , in level flight, a speed considered remarkable for the time.
To get to the magical Mach 2 number, however, some refinement was still necessary. The wing was redesigned, replacing the constant profile of 5% by a 4.5% in the root and 3.3% in the tip. The turbine became an Atar 9B of 6,000 kg of thrust, aided by an ejectable module of rocket SEPR 841, of 1,680 kg of thrust.
A pre-series of ten devices, designated as Mirage IIIA, was built. The first of the lot, the Mirage IIIA-01, flew on May 12, 1958 and as early as October 24 of that same year hit Mach in level flight, with the turbine only, The following year, during a test flight by foreign pilots , recorded the speed of Mach 2,17. These ten Mirage IIIAs were used to develop the various systems used in aircraft and adapted to various standards. The last three were almost identical to the first series produced, the Mirage IIIC. The first IIIC made its debut flight on October 9, 1960, soon being exported to Israel and South Africa.

 

Roland Glavany in front of a Mirage III A 01

 

The prototype of the first Mirage biplace - the IIIB - flew on October 21, 1959. It did not hold most of the electronic equipment as it was intended for training, but it carried machine guns and external armament brackets. The IIID was similar, also biplace, with an emphasis on the operational versatility of mixed use (but aind without radar "looking" forward). It was originally designed to Australian specifications.

About 180 Mirage III / 5 biplace were produced, the most powerful sub-series being the Mirage IIID2Z, South African, with Atar 9K-50 engine with 7,200 kg of buoyancy, instead of the standard Atar 9C of 6,000 kg.

 

The next variant, the Mirage IIIE, monoplace, had three prototypes; the first flew on April 5, 1961. The IIIC acts solely as an interceptor, but the IIIE has air defense and ground attack equipment in any weather conditions, with CSF Cyrano IIB multimode radar, Doppler navigation radar and fuselage more eltected, to increase fuel capacity. Entegas began in 1964, and more than five hundred were soon produced. Although developed for the French Air Force, the Mirage IIIE, manufactured under license, is also operated by Australia and Switzerland, and by direct purchase by a dozen other countries.

 

On May 12, 1958, Pre-series Mirage III flew, this being the decisive step for the operative variant called Mirage III-C.
Already in June of 1959, beat the world record of speed in closed circuit, establishing the mark of 1,771km/h. This was the beginning of the brilliant career of "MIRAGE", with the III-C model flying its first flight on October 9, 1960, and after that, France already had a comparable fighter aircraft with a certain advantage to those in England, the United States and the Soviet Union, arriving to be called "ARROGANT FRANCE OF THE GENERAL OF GAULLE". 

 

It then entered into NATO's bidding for aircraft acquisition, a competition known as "THE CENTURY'S CONTRACT", with the MIRAGE III-C competing with the US-made Lockheed F-104. He won the F-104, more for political reasons than by capacity, since the German LUFTWAFFE chose it as its standard fighter, thus taking with it most of the NATO countries, and of course a few others, and until today the only thing the F-104 has demonstrated was its capacity to create technical problems, having dropped more than 250 devices, which gave rise to nicknames such as "VUUCHER FAZEDOR", "FLIGHT ATAÚDE", and of course, to cause several ministers involved in the famous Lockheed scandals to fall, which proved that in 1960 there had been a hasty choice in the purchase of the F-104, but this is another story ... 

 



 

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A total of 95 Mirage IIICs were obtained by the French Air Force (Armée de l'Air, AdA), with initial operational deliveries in July 1961. The Mirage IIIC remained in service with the AdA until 1988.

Even after the loss of this contract, the Mirage III-C was among the best fighters in the world, so much so that HEYL HA' AVIR (Israeli Air Force), in 1963, formed its first Mirage squadron. South Africa finished ordering 58 aircraft, and the Australians decided to produce them under license, leaving the first copy of Commonwelth Factories on November 6, 1963.

 



 

 

 

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Features refer to Mirage IIIC for Armee de l'Air:

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Dimensions:
Vagueation 8.22m;
Length 13.85m;
Height 4.25m;
Surface of 34.10m 2;
Weight 5,600 kg;
Maximum flight 12,600 kg;

Performance:
Speed - the maximum at a height of 11,000m is 2100 km/h (2.15 mah).
Speed - maximum at sea level is 1396 km/h (1.1 maha).
Cruising at a height of 11000 m is 963 km / h (0.9 mah).
Landing speed 246 km/h.
The climbing speed is 83.3m / s.
Operating peak of 18,300 m.
The range of tactical action is 650-840 km.
Dolet 1500km

Drive:
A Snecma Atar turbocharger 0-9C3 generates 60.8KN with additional combustion.
Fuel: In internal tanks 2,580 liters. / in external tanks 2x600liter or 2x1.800liter.
Weapons:
Two 30mm DEFA-552 A cannon cubes with 125 cannon ammunition.
As a hunter: use a VRP VR Matra R-511 or Matra R-530 or two VRP VV AIM-9B Sidewinder IC or two VRP VV Matra R-550 Magic VRP.
As a hunter-bomber, we carry up to 3000 kg of various bombs and missiles (one VRP VB AM-39 Exocet or one VRP VZ AS-30 or NRZ JL-50 36 x 37 mm NRZ or 16 NRZ JL-100 and a tank of 600 liter fuel or a NRZ JL-200 starter with 36 NRZs and a 900-liter fuel tank) in five wings on the wings and the hull.
You can also carry a Dassault CC420 subassembly with a Top 30mm DEFA

 

 

 

source:

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http://www.checksix-fr.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/NATOPS_FLIGHT_MANUAL-Mirage-IIIC.pdf

http://www.radschool.org.au/Books/the_raaf_mirage_story_opt.pdf

 

Edited August 4, 2019 by pieve

[_M4RC0S_ 22]

+1 SUPPORTED 

[Cephee 857]

The delta-wing gang has to prevail !

[Trotrodor 2,670]

+1 thos one will be epic... can't wait

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

Hell yeah +1 

[pieve 3,578]

 

 

 

Footage of the operation of the Israeli Mirage in aerial interception. war six days

[Tantor57 10,318]

That is this baby that turned France into the very best aircraft designers in europe and the 2nd best in the world on par with Russia and just behind United states.

 

Supported 100% supersonic era means France has a ton of things to offer.

 

 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

13 hours ago, Tantor57 said:

That is this baby that turned France into the very best aircraft designers in europe and the 2nd best in the world on par with Russia and just behind United states.

 

Supported 100% supersonic era means France has a ton of things to offer.

 

 

 

I would even argue that the Mirage III was a better aircraft than the F-104, the aircraft that beat it in NATO trials (it's almost certain that under-the-table deals between Lockheed and military and government officials played a large part in the F-104 winning the trials, considering what would later come to light).

[Tantor57 10,318]

43 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

I would even argue that the Mirage III was a better aircraft than the F-104, the aircraft that beat it in NATO trials (it's almost certain that under-the-table deals between Lockheed and military and government officials played a large part in the F-104 winning the trials, considering what would later come to light).

Given  the context at the time. It was only logical for the US to be the main military partner of west germany since only USA had the industrial and money to provide Germany with a large amount of gears as well as boosting Germany military budget thanks to USA fundings. Europe needed west germany to be strong and only USA could ensure that.

[unwinder66 1,818]

Top suggestion, you have my support, time for the french to rule the sky as it should (i can hear the migs crying from here...)!

 

1 hour ago, Z3r0_ said:

I would even argue that the Mirage III was a better aircraft than the F-104, the aircraft that beat it in NATO trials (it's almost certain that under-the-table deals between Lockheed and military and government officials played a large part in the F-104 winning the trials, considering what would later come to light).

 

Of course the mirage 3 was A LOT better than this crazy machine called the starfighter (or the widow maker for a good reason). The F 104 killed more of it's own pilots than actually ennemies ones in combat, it was fast but very unstable in turns, often spin for no reason making the plane almost impossible to recover and often killing his pilot.

The mirage gor more trust, it turn way tighter and has a better overall armament. You can't even compare this mirage with the trash plane that was the F104.

Anyway nice suggestion, hope to get some news very soon.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 08/12/2018 at 16:16, unwinder66 said:

Top suggestion, you have my support, time for the french to rule the sky as it should (i can hear the migs crying from here...)!

 

 

Of course the mirage 3 was A LOT better than this crazy machine called the starfighter (or the widow maker for a good reason). The F 104 killed more of it's own pilots than actually ennemies ones in combat, it was fast but very unstable in turns, often spin for no reason making the plane almost impossible to recover and often killing his pilot.

The mirage gor more trust, it turn way tighter and has a better overall armament. You can't even compare this mirage with the trash plane that was the F104.

Anyway nice suggestion, hope to get some news very soon.

 

To be fair to the F-104, the majority of the issues with it came from the Germans, who for some reason insisted on turning a dedicated interceptor into a fighter-bomber.

 

Also, while certainly a great plane, the Mirage III does have a flaw that can be exploited: its tailless delta wing causes it to bleed energy like nobody's business in a turn.  You do NOT want to get into a sustained turning engagement while flying this aircraft.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Z3r0_

[onemax9000 1,243]

+1 gib after the DASSAULT-BREGUET GARDIAN 2 gets added

 

[RanchSauce39 397]

eventually yea... if we get mach 2.0 supersonics.would be ideal counterpart to the Mig21PFM, although Mirage 3E fighter bomber version would also be nice to have.

Edited December 13, 2018 by RanchSauce39

[RanchSauce39 397]

On 07/12/2018 at 18:50, pieve said:

 

until today the only thing the F-104 has demonstrated was its capacity to create technical problems, having dropped more than 250 devices, which gave rise to nicknames such as "VUUCHER FAZEDOR", "FLIGHT ATAÚDE"

 

 

 

Honestly man your way to critical of the F104.wish people stopped playing the F104 was a flying coffin, and nothing but technical problems meme.

 

as Blitzkrieg himself even pointed out in another thread

 

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1- West German pilots decided to use a dedicated interceptor design as a close air support jet (il ptich in :, Lockheed created the F104G to cater to demands of having a fighter having a secondary role  "Fighter-bomber"  for versatility purposes due. even the USAF F104C was a tactical fighter, even if by design it was not ideally suited for low level CAS)

2- West German pilots were trained in clean weather conditions in the U.S, whereas in Germany the weather is unsettling

3- West German pilots had just learned how to fly their F-84 Thunderjets and were quickly transferred to vastly different planes (F-104s)

 

This gave the F104 a bad rep. It was far from crap design.  and hardly the only aircraft in history got one. As a Interceptor, and used for its intended role it was good for its time. ( introduced earlier than the Mirage 3C which came into service only a year before the first F4 phantoms )

Edited December 13, 2018 by RanchSauce39

[Cephee 857]

With the Mirage III, can we have a SEPR ?

 

 

As an unlockable modification, it could be really fun to use.

[pieve 3,578]

4 hours ago, Cephee said:

With the Mirage III, can we have a SEPR ? 

 

 

As an unlockable modification, it could be really fun to use.

yes, we can have yes, this booster was used to help climb faster to intercept the bombers

[Trotrodor 2,670]

A perfect match for the mig 21, with legenderous fight during the 6 day war, are the Falkland...

[pieve 3,578]

The images show the position of this engine in the hull of the aircraft.

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Inside the auxiliary missile engine, he found a reservoir with an oxidizer, while as fuel he used kerosene from air tanks. The oxidant was nitric acid. The fuel did not come directly from the aircraft, but was first transferred to the special tanks that were installed in the cannon space. So Mirages equipped with auxiliary rocket engines were unarmed, and the arms would only take the Matra R.530 rocket into the central carrier.

Auxiliary rocket motor in operation

 

source:

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http://www.spl.ch/old/news/SEPR/AIAA-43160-765.pdf

 

[Functor 230]

Soutien!

[Arghail 1,220]

I really love the Mirage III and wish it would be implemented in the game as well. After all, to my knowledge, It is the 2nd gen jet fighter with the highest number of air victories in the world. That said, although I got no problem with Air RB, I fear the maps of Ground RB would be too small for jets of this kind and their loadout.

 

I mean, Mirage III were equipped with Beluga bombs right ? What do you think of this weapon system ? Cluster bombs would have a tremendous impact on the battlefield, but could quickly become way too OP.

 

 

[pieve 3,578]

 

On 19/01/2019 at 09:27, Arghail said:

I really love the Mirage III and wish it would be implemented in the game as well. After all, to my knowledge, It is the 2nd gen jet fighter with the highest number of air victories in the world. That said, although I got no problem with Air RB, I fear the maps of Ground RB would be too small for jets of this kind and their loadout.

 

I mean, Mirage III were equipped with Beluga bombs right ? What do you think of this weapon system ? Cluster bombs would have a tremendous impact on the battlefield, but could quickly become way too OP. 

Gaijin has many good maps that we can still play with these jets that are here

But we will see many bigger maps still, we just have to wait for them

 

Now, on this fragmentation bomb will not be as effective against the current tanks that are in the game, only if it is against smaller bases or aerodrome

 

 

[Arghail 1,220]

1 hour ago, pieve said:

 

Gaijin has many good maps that we can still play with these jets that are here

But we will see many bigger maps still, we just have to wait for them

 

Now, on this fragmentation bomb will not be as effective against the current tanks that are in the game, only if it is against smaller bases or aerodrome

 

 

 

Actually, they were used with various type of ammunitions.

 

Type AC (Anti-char), armor piercing projectiles meant for any kind of armored targets

 

Type EC, frag grenades to be used against light vehicles, material, or infantry

 

Type IZ (interdiction zone), meant to destroy roads, airport runways, with bombs that could explode hours after hitting the ground.

[pieve 3,578]

On 27/01/2019 at 00:53, Arghail said:

 

Actually, they were used with various type of ammunitions.

 

Type AC (Anti-char), armor piercing projectiles meant for any kind of armored targets

 

Type EC, frag grenades to be used against light vehicles, material, or infantry

 

Type IZ (interdiction zone), meant to destroy roads, airport runways, with bombs that could explode hours after hitting the ground.

Well, any models of these bombs to come in the war thunder will be good

 

[Trotrodor 2,670]

Next patch

[Evir_ 372]

I would be interested to see how jets like this play out.

The T-2 while it has potential to run away, in turning fights etc it gets completely eaten up by the Mig-19's and G.91's etc.

So the fact its capable of Mach 1.6 is actually not that big of a deal since it can't maintain it at any fighting altitude.

 

Mirage 3 will eventually have to come to the game no doubt +1

Edited March 27, 2019 by Neokolzia