Type 93 Close Range Surface to Air Missile (SAM-3)

[aizenns 3,591]

93式近距離地対空誘導弾

Type 93 Close Range Surface to Air Missile

 

Official (nobody use) nickname: Closed Allow (クローズドアロー)

Standard nickname: Kin-SAM ("Close-SAM", 近SAM)

Shorten name: SAM-3

 

Rough Description

Type 93 SAM is Japanese close range surface to air missile that system developed by Toshiba Infrastructure Systems.

This vehicle is bit similar to "Avenger air defense system". Based vehicle was HMV (High Mobility Vehicle, 高機動車), and equip Type 91 Man-portable surface to air missile (SAM-2).

This vehicle divert HMV and SAM-2, so development period is only 3 years. It produced 113 set during 1993 to 2008 to replace 35mm L-90 twin AA machine gun for JGSDF.

 

Japanese self-propelled close range anti-air missile that completed on one vehicle is only Type 93, so this vehicle is very useful to oppose Tunguska.

But this vehicle did not have any machine gun, so it is bit difficult to add in game.

 

Design

■Vehicle

Vehicle was HMV that developed by Toyota motor and produced by Hino motor used since 1990s. HMV is the most standard personnel carrier of JGSDF, and some vehicle used for platform of missile, radar, smoke and radio equipment. Official nickname is "Hayate" (疾風), but nobody use it.

To equip missile, they modify driver room folding top to FRP, and communication antenna moved to front.

 

■Turret

Missile turret equip 2x quadruple missile launcher of SAM-2. This turret able to swing 360°.

SAM-2 was developed by TRDI and produced by Toshiba to replace FIM-92A Stinger. Official nickname is "Hand Allow" (ハンドアロー), but nobody use it, too.

Guidance system is visible light CCD for mainly and IR seeker for auxiliary.

Max range is about 5000 m.

 

Specification

■Vehicle (data is HMV)

• Weight: 2.7 tonne
• Length: about 4.9 m
• Width: about 2.2 m
• Height: about 2.3 m
• Max speed: about 125 km/h

■Missile (Data is SAM-2)

• Missile length: about 1,430 mm
• Missile bore: about 80 mm
• Missile weight: about 11.5 kg
• Max range: 5,000 m (*)
• Speed: Mach 1.9 (*)

■Others

• Crew: 3
• Ammo: Max 8 missiles

 

(*) this data from Wikipedia.

Spoiler

Camouflaged Type 93 SAM

 

Sources

Quote

History

Japan Defense Agency, Technical Research and Development Institute (2002) "50 years history of Japan Defense Agency, Technical Research and Development Institute", Ministry of Defense, pp.167-171 [防衛省技術研究本部(2002) ｢防衛庁技術研究本部五十年史｣ 防衛省, pp.167-171 (published at National Diet Library distal collection)

http://combat1.sakura.ne.jp/93SHIKI.htm

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Specification and others

Ministry of Defense official home page: Type 91 Man-portable surface to air missile

JGSDF 6th Division official homepage: High Mobility Vehicle

JGSDF 6th Division official homepage: Type 93 close range surface to air missile

Japan Defense Agency (1993) "Official Style Outline, Type 93 Close Range Surface to Air Missile, P4201"

 

Edited March 3, 2019 by aizenns

[leroyonly 4,311]

 

Spoiler

 

Hey aizenns,

 

Thank you for the suggestion, however at the moment we aren't accepting pure SAM vehicle suggestions till at the very least we have developer confirmation that such vehicles will be introduced. Even more so for fire-and-forget type of SAM's instead of the player guided type that for example the tunguska is getting. Please do make a back-up of your suggestion incase this ever changes so you don't have to spend your time doing the same thing twice. 

 

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Answered & Locked. 

 

 

We recently reviewed our policy regarding SAM equiped vehicles, including fire and forget types. Due to this we now welcome the submission of that vehicle type as suggestions.

So without further ado,

 

Open for discussion. 

Edited March 5, 2019 by leroyonly

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

+1

[Milocat 4,857]

+1 to this vehicle.  Every country should get a SAM, and this is a good candidate for Japan.

[Fireraid233 4,274]

+1

[_N4MELESS_ 2,972]

1+

Should not be in the same BR as Tunguska tho because the lacks of automatic cannons and i doubt MANPAD missile is powerful enough against tanks.

9.0 - 9.3 br is reasonable but 9.7 is the highest br for it.

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

all for it. and since japan lacks a great amount of depth to its 9.0-10.X lineup, lacking an SAM vehicle leaves the japanese especially vulnerable.

[_N4MELESS_ 2,972]

I'm guessing this is just a proposed project ?

[aizenns 3,591]

50 minutes ago, I_NAMELESS_I said:

I'm guessing this is just a proposed project ?

That is perfectly fictional one. That is configuration of Armature Internet Novel.

 

http://flyingfrancepan.sitemix.jp/

https://ncode.syosetu.com/s1362b/

[Optical_Ilyushin 5,554]

+1, yes please!

[_N4MELESS_ 2,972]

I just realized that there is no radar on this thing so i wonder how is that gonna work ?

[Miki_Hoshii 2,449]

On 20/05/2019 at 20:21, I_NAMELESS_I said:

I just realized that there is no radar on this thing so i wonder how is that gonna work ?

Missile system is infrared. It works by following heat sources, the same function as air to air missiles found on jets in War Thunder right now.

Edited May 23, 2019 by Miki_Hoshii

[Wolf_89 2,525]

Japan needs more vehicles. And they need a top AA vehicle

 

On the Type 96 APC. They talk about short-range air defense missile system.

Do any of you know any about it. What was it? Was it made? Could it be useful in WT?

I can't find any info or pics. http://www.military-today.com/apc/type_96_apc.htm

 

 

[aizenns 3,591]

On 5/23/2019 at 5:25 PM, Wolf_89 said:

Japan needs more vehicles. And they need a top AA vehicle

 

On the Type 96 APC. They talk about short-range air defense missile system.

Do any of you know any about it. What was it? Was it made? Could it be useful in WT?

I can't find any info or pics. http://www.military-today.com/apc/type_96_apc.htm

 

 

I don't know there are plan that SAM based Type 96. I guess that is one of the vehicle on "Future wheeled combat vehicle" project in 2000s. They plan vehicles series that have same hull.

From this project, "Type 16 MCV", "Wheeled 155 mm Howitzer" and "Close Combat Vehicle" are built, and only Type 16 MCV and Wheeled 155 mm Howitzer adopted.

 

Related suggestion

 

Edited June 16, 2019 by aizenns

[Anodjl 286]

Tnx for the suggestion

[ChocolateMilkTea 23]

+1~As Japan(Italy as well) are lacking in ground to air missile SPAA^^.

[Optical_Ilyushin 5,554]

On 23/05/2019 at 01:25, Wolf_89 said:

Japan needs more vehicles. And they need a top AA vehicle

 

On the Type 96 APC. They talk about short-range air defense missile system.

Do any of you know any about it. What was it? Was it made? Could it be useful in WT?

I can't find any info or pics. http://www.military-today.com/apc/type_96_apc.htm

 

 

 

that website has had dubious claims in the past, especially regarding Japanese hardware. I wouldn't consider them as a source (I've asked them to clarify certain things for me about their claims and they did not have anything to back it up).

[_N4MELESS_ 2,972]

 

Need it in the next patch ! 

Edited July 23, 2019 by I_NAMELESS_I

[MonkeyBussiness 1,228]

+1 , hey gaijin look ! a balance SAM not like all those optic guided SAM that can't be counter by flares or chaff

[Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383]

This needs to be added to give Japan a SAM to compete with other nations.

[TheLastYouSee__@psn 281]

since this does not seem to have anyway to engage ground targets as i doubt tank engines are hot enough for a MANPADS to lock on i am very much on the fence about this.
SPAAs should not be fighting tanks sure but they should not be completely defenseless either.
if this was more like the American AN/TWQ-1 Avenger with the single .50 call that would atleast sway my opinion in favour of this.
so my question is did it ever have any kind of machine gun mounted to it? or does it have anyway to engage tanks in a pinch?

[Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383]

18 hours ago, *TheLastYouSee__ said:

since this does not seem to have anyway to engage ground targets as i doubt tank engines are hot enough for a MANPADS to lock on i am very much on the fence about this.
SPAAs should not be fighting tanks sure but they should not be completely defenseless either.
if this was more like the American AN/TWQ-1 Avenger with the single .50 call that would atleast sway my opinion in favour of this.
so my question is did it ever have any kind of machine gun mounted to it? or does it have anyway to engage tanks in a pinch?

It did not, and sadly I believe this is the only SAM vehicle that Japan could receive. However, engaging ground targets isn't a requirements for SPAAGs seeing as the GAZ-AAA (4M) and Mk. VIA AA exist. Its defense against tanks would be its mobility.

[TheLastYouSee__@psn 281]

4 hours ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said:

It did not, and sadly I believe this is the only SAM vehicle that Japan could receive. However, engaging ground targets isn't a requirements for SPAAGs seeing as the GAZ-AAA (4M) and Mk. VIA AA exist. Its defense against tanks would be its mobility.

they can put up token resistance though.
it will not be effective but they are not completely unable to fire at tanks whilst this vehicle seems completely unable to do so.
isnt the type 81 an option? after a brief wiki search it says the vehicle mounting those missiles can mount one or two .50s for personal defense

[N-Glycerin@psn 89]

AAA is not in any way required to engage tanks in any capacity. This is a vehicle that is made for one job and it does that one job. There's a reason we have a limit on how much AP you can carry in vehicles like the Type 87, SIDAM, etc. This is a SAM. It eats planes and you should expect nothing more. Japan's options are pretty slim when it comes to vehicles like this. This vehicle should not be discounted on account of the fact that it can't pretend to fight tanks with an M2. 

[TheLastYouSee__@psn 281]

2 hours ago, *N-Glycerin said:

AAA is not in any way required to engage tanks in any capacity. This is a vehicle that is made for one job and it does that one job. There's a reason we have a limit on how much AP you can carry in vehicles like the Type 87, SIDAM, etc. This is a SAM. It eats planes and you should expect nothing more. Japan's options are pretty slim when it comes to vehicles like this. This vehicle should not be discounted on account of the fact that it can't pretend to fight tanks with an M2. 

if it can not even put up the slightest amount of token resistance or in engage ground targets at all that is in my opinion a very big disadvantage.