ground vehicles AMX-30(B) SAMM

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

AMX-30(B) SAMM

Introduction:

In 1968 the French Army was posed with a technical dilemma. Despite being developed just five years earlier as part of the failed Europanzer Project, the AMX-30 was beginning to show its age in light of its allied counterparts. The tank was well rounded in its general mobility, mechanical reliability and gun handling but the absence of composite armor meant that the need for a high "first shot first hit" probability was in serious consideration. Army technicians examined multiple solutions to the issue including the design of a modern fire control system and gun stabilizer. Expertise from the private sector was also received and in response French defense firm SAMM developed its own proposal. SAMM had previously done work with the Swiss Armed Forces in regards to the Panzer 61 retrofitting a single model with a two-plane stabilizer with satisfactory results. Work on the AMX-30 began in 1968 and was completed sometime in the same year. In addition to the two-plane stabilizer, a TCV 15 laser rangefinder made by the General Electric Company was installed. Similar results were obtained with the AMX-30(B) however by this time the French Army declined to take further actions citing cuts in the defense budget.

 

Supporting Evidence:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

AMX-30(B) SAMM Specifications:

Dimensions (L-W-H)	9.48m (6.59m without gun) x 3.1m x 2.29m (31’1″ (21’6″) x 10’2″ x 7’5″ ft.in)
Total weight, battle ready:	36 Tons (26000 ibs)
Crew :	4 (Drivers, Commander, gunner, loader)
Propulsion:	Hispano-Suiza HS, 12-cylinder 720 hp
Suspensions:	Torsion arms & shock absorbers
Top Speed	65 kph(40 mph)
Armament	105 mm CN-105-F1 with 47 rounds  M2HB .50 cal machine gun coaxial mounted 1000 rounds
Armour	Hull nose and turret mantlet 80 mm, sides 30, bottom 15, rooftop 20 mm

 

Round Selection:

• OCC 105 F1 (HEAT)
• OE 105 F1 Mle. 60 (HE)
• OFPH 105 F1 (Smoke)

 

 

 

Sources:

Spoiler

• JG, Jeudy. Chars De France. ETAI. 1997
• Touzin, Pierre. Les Vehicules Blindes Francais 1945-1977. Editions EPA. 1978
• SAMM material d' armement. societe d' applications des machines motrices. 1969
• http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/engins-blindes/chars?task=view&id=698
• AMX-30 Weapons and Fire-Control Systems. (pg. 10). CIA Report. de-classified. 2008

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by WayOfTheWolk

[leroyonly 4,310]

Open for discussion. 

[FouManchou 2,463]

There's gonna be blood on the cobblestones if this is added anywhere else than the tree.

Mind you, I wouldn't mind it personally, but most of the community...

[eleks12 1,079]

+1

[Jo_cavalier 13]

+1

[gennaroita 113]

+1 whoever ticked premium or event deserves a bunch of bad things.. i want the reason behind them wanting this as a prem/event tank ... like for real, do a comment i want to read it 

[Milocat 4,848]

+1 for this as a standard vehicle.  The only AMX-30 with a stabilizer right now is a premium vehicle, there should be a free variant similarly equipped.

[Wolf_89 2,524]

+1 for this as a standard vehicle. France need more tanks with a stabilizer in the TT.

[Zombificus 792]

I’d love to see this. Between this prototype, its fellow stabilised variant AMX-30C, and the unstabilised but sudden-stop-and-shoot-capable AMX-30A, France should gain some much-needed parity with the other nations which already have stabilised MBTs from this era, e.g. Germany (Leo A1A1), Japan (STB-1/Type 74) and the US (M60A1 AOS).

[kamikazi21358 998]

How many were made?

[Miki_Hoshii 2,449]

On 27/07/2019 at 13:18, kamikazi21358 said:

How many were made?

Probably just one.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

44 minutes ago, Miki_Hoshii said:

Probably just one.

You are correct; it was a one off prototype.

[FrizBeee 229]

+1 maybe after the amx30 1972 around 8.3, stabilized tank like this one and the amx30 c2 are needed

[ThedepthPunisher 194]

The French need this tank in the tree. It could be nice with its stabilizer!

[Wolf_89 2,524]

How much would they have to change on one of the AMX-30 models already in game? To make this?

Would it only be internal things? And AMX-30(B) is that AMX-30B2? Or was there a earlier AMX-30B?

[Cedjoe 5,482]

18 minutes ago, Wolf_89 said:

How much would they have to change on one of the AMX-30 models already in game? To make this?

Would it only be internal things? And AMX-30(B) is that AMX-30B2? Or was there a earlier AMX-30B?

The AMX-30B is the regular AMX-30 we have in game.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

8 minutes ago, Cedjoe said:

The AMX-30B is the regular AMX-30 we have in game.

Incorrect, this is in fact a modified copy of the AMX-30 Premium (early model) we have in game. 

[Cedjoe 5,482]

25 minutes ago, WayOfTheWolk said:

Incorrect, this is in fact a modified copy of the AMX-30 Premium (early model) we have in game. 

From what I read on this article it's the first mass produced version which is the one we have in game as a premium, the 1972 version having coaxial 7.62 replaced by a 20mm also being an AMX-30B.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

49 minutes ago, Cedjoe said:

From what I read on this article it's the first mass produced version which is the one we have in game as a premium, the 1972 version having coaxial 7.62 replaced by a 20mm also being an AMX-30B.

The 1972 version replaced the coaxial 12.7mm M2 Browning with a 20mm M693 auto-cannon. The SAMM version I'm suggesting to clarify is an early production AMX-30 with the coaxial 12.7mm.

[Cedjoe 5,482]

6 hours ago, WayOfTheWolk said:

The 1972 version replaced the coaxial 12.7mm M2 Browning with a 20mm M693 auto-cannon. The SAMM version I'm suggesting to clarify is an early production AMX-30 with the coaxial 12.7mm.

Yes but all are B versions afaik.

[Wolf_89 2,524]

So AMX-30(B)SAMM would then be really easy for them to make.

If they can use one of the already existing AMX-30 models.

Just copy past one of them. Rename it to.

And then do the changes that are needed to make the AMX-30 (B) SAMM.

[FORMATOSE 901]

The AMX-30 (1972) designation has been invented by Gaijin for whatever reason.

 

Serially-produced AMX-30 MBTs were officially designated as AMX-30B.

Edited July 22, 2020 by FORMATOSE

[Cedjoe 5,482]

38 minutes ago, FORMATOSE said:

The AMX-30 (1972) designation has been invented by Gaijin for whatever reason.

 

Serially-produced AMX-30 MBTs were officially designated as AMX-30B.

Ok so as I said, both AMX-30 and AMX-30 (1972) in game are AMX-30Bs, right?

[Kasukaru 2,164]

I always thought the AMX-30 premium was a prototype (not a B production series tank).

[Cedjoe 5,482]

1 hour ago, Kasukaru said:

I always thought the AMX-30 premium was a prototype (not a B production series tank).

The prototype would be the AMX-30A :