M4A1 75 W Sherman

[DSE76 129]

I didn't notice this one because it was designated as M4A1 76 W, the same as in the US tree. But there was something weird in the dev server : it has the M3 75mm canon. On the second dev server, Gaijin just changed the typo as M4A1 75 W, making a new tank in the game.
Little problem however : it still keeps the 4.7 BR.
Talking about a overtired tank !

[OddPhenomena 1,015]

In arcade it keeps the 5.0 battle rating of the M4A1 76, making it a worse M4A3E2. But, it is likely to be moved down by the time the update releases.

[Nahguav 419]

As far as I can tell, there was never a tank designated M4A1 (75) W, the only 75mm Sherman with similar designation was the M4A3 (75) W.

 

Since the W only signifies wet ammo storage, it doesn't seem to be a good reason for a tank normally sitting at BR 3.3 in RB to be raised to 4.7.

 

A picture of what looks like a standard M4A1 at the Chengkungling history museum in Taiwan is labelled M4A1 (76). When I looked at pictures of surviving M4A1 (76) Shermans around the world, there were at least 2 that were originally 76mm Shermans but had 75mm turrets fitted for one reason or another. Perhaps that is what happened to this one.

 

Edit: That M4A1 in the Chengkungling picture looks like it has a 76mm turret and mantlet with a 75mm gun fitted. Whether this was done in service or as a museum 'restoration' I'm not sure. It does seem like this tank may have been what Gaijin used to model the one in game, since I can't find another picture anywhere of a Sherman with this hull, turret and gun combination.

 

Did the ROC even use any Shermans other than the M4A4? I know the PRC operated an M4A2, probably left behind by the US in Korea, but I'm not sure where the M4A1 in Taiwan came from.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Nahguav
Looked at the picture again

[CyberNapoleon 599]

I thought this was a mistake at first. No 75 Sherman except the Jumbo should be anywhere near 5.0, it could go down much lower. 

[ChangAnAve59 23]

14 hours ago, Nahguav said:

As far as I can tell, there was never a tank designated M4A1 (75) W, the only 75mm Sherman with similar designation was the M4A3 (75) W.

 

Since the W only signifies wet ammo storage, it doesn't seem to be a good reason for a tank normally sitting at BR 3.3 in RB to be raised to 4.7.

 

A picture of what looks like a standard M4A1 at the Chengkungling history museum in Taiwan is labelled M4A1 (76). When I looked at pictures of surviving M4A1 (76) Shermans around the world, there were at least 2 that were originally 76mm Shermans but had 75mm turrets fitted for one reason or another. Perhaps that is what happened to this one.

 

Edit: That M4A1 in the Chengkungling picture looks like it has a 76mm turret and mantlet with a 75mm gun fitted. Whether this was done in service or as a museum 'restoration' I'm not sure. It does seem like this tank may have been what Gaijin used to model the one in game, since I can't find another picture anywhere of a Sherman with this hull, turret and gun combination.

 

Did the ROC even use any Shermans other than the M4A4? I know the PRC operated an M4A2, probably left behind by the US in Korea, but I'm not sure where the M4A1 in Taiwan came from.

That M4A1 was indeed a hybrid/Frankenstein tank during the war. Involving fitting the 75mm gun onto a tank without the 76mm gun (the original was demounted). However there wasn't too much details on how this veichle came about.

[MichaeL98 102]

It's 4.0 which is all right now, but the research cost(46000 RP), purchase cost(170000 SL) and crew training cost(49000 SL) are still of 4.7-5.0 level. How should I suggest Gaijin to fix this?

[GoddePro 1,147]

On 07/11/2019 at 23:15, MichaeL98 said:

It's 4.0 which is all right now, but the research cost(46000 RP), purchase cost(170000 SL) and crew training cost(49000 SL) are still of 4.7-5.0 level. How should I suggest Gaijin to fix this?

say: 

'you suck and I hate you. Fix my tank now or I will destroy your company'

Spoiler

not really lol

but just be polite (you criticise gaijin in a suggestion/bug then you will get ignored), and say something like, "the research progress of XX tank is needs to be adjusted. It is no longer appropriate for its br and current place in the tree"

 

[armando30 493]

I only have 1 question, why would the Taiwanese actually downgrade a M4A1 (76)W to 75 W?

I know that it is real because I've seen the photos of it on display in Taiwan but I am 100% sure it was not done in the US and so it had to be a local modification, but why?

 

in the US they also tried to do that, with 2 prototypes equiped with early HVSS suspension, to see how much could the larger turret improve the performance of the loader, in the end they realized that life became harder for the gunner IF done by simply replacing the 76mm with the 75mm like they did on the prototype, to give the gunner some more room more changes would be needed, sure the Asians are generally smaller than the Americans but even so the gunner position was still a bit cramped because the T23 turret narrows towards the front

 

so the question remains about why would they downgrade from the 76 to the 75 given they were supported by the US and did not lack 76mm ammo, could it simply be a display piece they had to scavange for parts and equipped that M4A1 with the 75mm gun?

 

I've seen other examples in Asia of Shermans and M3 Lee's "modified" for display purposes, like in Pakistan where a turretless M3 Lee is supposedly equiped with a 17pdr

[OddPhenomena 1,015]

1 hour ago, armando30 said:

I only have 1 question, why would the Taiwanese actually downgrade a M4A1 (76)W to 75 W?

I know that it is real because I've seen the photos of it on display in Taiwan but I am 100% sure it was not done in the US and so it had to be a local modification, but why?

 

in the US they also tried to do that, with 2 prototypes equiped with early HVSS suspension, to see how much could the larger turret improve the performance of the loader, in the end they realized that life became harder for the gunner IF done by simply replacing the 76mm with the 75mm like they did on the prototype, to give the gunner some more room more changes would be needed, sure the Asians are generally smaller than the Americans but even so the gunner position was still a bit cramped because the T23 turret narrows towards the front

 

so the question remains about why would they downgrade from the 76 to the 75 given they were supported by the US and did not lack 76mm ammo, could it simply be a display piece they had to scavange for parts and equipped that M4A1 with the 75mm gun?

 

I've seen other examples in Asia of Shermans and M3 Lee's "modified" for display purposes, like in Pakistan where a turretless M3 Lee is supposedly equiped with a 17pdr

I would have thought they would have more 75mm ammunition, given they used 75mm Shermans, the only 76mm one being the M10. It could also be because the PLA didn't have many tanks, and even the ones they had were not that well armored, and the 75mm has a much better HE round for infantry support.

[armando30 493]

2 hours ago, Shamshael said:

I would have thought they would have more 75mm ammunition, given they used 75mm Shermans, the only 76mm one being the M10. It could also be because the PLA didn't have many tanks, and even the ones they had were not that well armored, and the 75mm has a much better HE round for infantry support.

 

but that actually makes it even stranger for them to even have a M4A1 (76)W

[DMYEugen 688]

I know I'm a little late but the reason why the Taiwanese M4A1 has a 75 instead of a 76 is because those specific vehicles arrived without guns at all. To arm them, the ROC just put 75s in.