Cam_the_man 146 Report post Posted November 15, 2019 getting lolpenned in an up tier: Spoiler anywhere but an uptier: Spoiler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stahlvormund101 12,039 Report post Posted November 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, Cam_the_man said: anywhere but an uptier: Get flanked and die, get your turret front penned anyways and die, get bombed and die, get rocketed and repair tracks for a minute, then get flanked and die. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RohmMohc 11,494 Report post Posted November 16, 2019 On 15/11/2019 at 22:51, Stahlvormund101 said: Get flanked and die, get your turret front penned anyways and die, get bombed and die, get rocketed and repair tracks for a minute, then get flanked and die. arrive in combat zone when the battle has been decided and die. get blown up by some fragments hitting the Diesel tank... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rebral Palsy 2,423 Report post Posted November 16, 2019 Well, now you know why it got removed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RohmMohc 11,494 Report post Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, WaImart said: Well, now you know why it got removed. pray tell.. why is the T28/T95 still in the game then? It's even slower... doesn't have a turret... they removed it because flimsy "historikal akuratshy" excuses (while keeping the R2Y2) and being too lazy to spread out the BRs some more so that the Maus could be put at a spot where it can properly work... Edited November 16, 2019 by RohmMohc 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stahlvormund101 12,039 Report post Posted November 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, WaImart said: Well, now you know why it got removed. Yeah, why care to try things the community has suggested to fix this conundrum they put the vehicle in in the first place. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rebral Palsy 2,423 Report post Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Stahlvormund101 said: Yeah, why care to try things the community has suggested to fix this conundrum they put the vehicle in in the first place. You mean the extra 20mm of turret armour thickness on top of the 220mm? Like that would make any difference to APDS, HEATFS and ATGMs? Or it missing an MG 151 cannon for as anti-aircraft gun on the turret roof which was never equipped on the prototype irl? Or maybe you mean it being down tiered to a point where it can club the literal hell out of everything it faces whilst avoiding postwar vehicles? (There is literally postwar every BR lower in case you haven't noticed : PT-76, M41A1...) Face it, the Maus wouldn't have ever worked in this game and honestly shouldn't have been added if they were going to add postwar shells and modern technology right after. That's on the developer's choice not the community. 34 minutes ago, RohmMohc said: pray tell.. why is the T28/T95 still in the game then? It's even slower... doesn't have a turret... they removed it because flimsy "historikal akuratshy" excuses (while keeping the R2Y2) and being too lazy to spread out the BRs some more so that the Maus could be put at a spot where it can properly work... I don't see any whining or complaining from U.S players compared to that of the Maus directed toward the developers enough for them to decide to remove it maybe that's why it's still in the game? Edited November 17, 2019 by WaImart 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormwolf7 4,898 Report post Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RohmMohc said: pray tell.. why is the T28/T95 still in the game then? It's even slower... doesn't have a turret... they removed it because flimsy "historikal akuratshy" excuses (while keeping the R2Y2) and being too lazy to spread out the BRs some more so that the Maus could be put at a spot where it can properly work... Because... Those are 6.7/7.0 vehicles because they've strong armor, but are casemate. (no turret) and so therefore have enough weaknesses that 6.7s and even 5.7s can exploit to justify them having lower BRs. The maus has too much armor and firepower to be anywhere near the 6.0s... and too little to be near the 8s: Removal. That was discussed in the other maus threads. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RohmMohc 11,494 Report post Posted November 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, WaImart said: You mean the extra 20mm of turret armour thickness on top of the 220mm? Like that would make any difference to APDS, HEATFS and ATGMs? Or it missing an MG 151 cannon for as anti-aircraft gun on the turret roof which was never equipped on the prototype irl? Or maybe you mean it being down tiered to a point where it can club the literal hell out of everything it faces whilst avoiding postwar vehicles? (There is literally postwar every BR lower in case you haven't noticed : PT-76, M41A1...) Face it, the Maus wouldn't have ever worked in this game and honestly shouldn't have been added if they were going to add postwar shells and modern technology right after. That's on the developer's choice not the community. I don't see any whining or complaining from U.S players compared to that of the Maus directed toward the developers enough for them to decide to remove it maybe that's why it's still in the game? funfact: the Maus used to somewhat work, right after they introduced it. Back then if they hadn't quickly started their stupid HEAT-FS Spam, given it the 240mm turret and actually started to decompress the BRs it could've been in a decent spot, and in terms of survivability and firepower was direly needed compared to the KWK 46. But Gaijin as always being unable to have a rough planning of "what to come in future" for more than the next bug fix patch threw the game more and more into the Cold War. Just now, Livewyr7 said: Because... Those are 6.7/7.0 vehicles because they've strong armor, but are casemate. (no turret) and so therefore have enough weaknesses that 6.7s and even 5.7s can exploit to justify them having lower BRs. The maus has too much armor and firepower to be anywhere near the 6.0s... and too little to be near the 8s: Removal. That was discussed in the other maus threads. it's an excuse. Nothing more. The Maus would work. It's just that most people here couldn't bother with actually having to do more than "lol just pen the underperforming turret on that target you can see 5 days before it arrives at the battle" The whole issue once more is gaijin's over compressed Battlerating system (which also doesn't take upgrade level into account, because luckily those have no impact on performance whatsoever /s). A better spread and the Maus could've easily be put into a position where it could've faced opponents that could've dealt with it, yet still have the Maus' armor and firepower have a massive impact. Few people cared about the T28/T95 for the reason that it's an overall not that important tank in the US line. The Maus meanwhile sat as a "roadblock" in the heavy tank line, meaning people have to play it. Meanwhile Gaijin's incompetence in the area of balancing kept it from being actually a strong vehicle outside of a few situations as soon as they introduced more and more high pen ammo. I don't care what you guys discussed. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stahlvormund101 12,039 Report post Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, WaImart said: Or maybe you mean it being down tiered to a point where it can club the literal hell out of everything it faces whilst avoiding postwar vehicles? (There is literally postwar every BR lower in case you haven't noticed : PT-76, M41A1...) Face it, the Maus wouldn't have ever worked in this game and honestly shouldn't have been added if they were going to add postwar shells and modern technology right after. Those things kind of contradict each other. If you say it shouldn't have been added because of possible postwar shells, then you can't say it can't be downtiered where it still would face them. Point is, it could be downtiered, the BRs stretched out to allow more steps so it would face appropriate enemies which it can deal with and it can be dealt with. There is much more possible to adjust than just thinking in the same patterns we currently have (and which show they are horribly inadequate). Edited November 17, 2019 by Stahlvormund101 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azekill_DIABLO 158 Report post Posted November 17, 2019 I agree with the OP, maus really shines on downtiers, save for t54s, everything you face feels like you are god himself, slaying mercilessly the ennemies (and spending 90% of the game reparing your guns) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomusuke1 1,217 Report post Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) On 16/11/2019 at 19:12, WaImart said: Like that would make any difference Or the roof vents that are incorrectly modeled in as 10 mm in this game or the implementation of 8 gears instead of electric transmission or the 2900 RPMs instead of the actual 3100 RPMs for the electric motors or the fact that in RB/SB the speed tops out at 20.7 km/h instead of the actual & historical 22 km/h. Even the main weapon's m/s are wrong. They have nickel and dimed this tank to death from the outset and rather than putting aside their nationalistic biases and correcting these and other obvious errors, they instead go and hide the vehicle from sight like some xxxxxxx step-child which is a clear admission of bias/guilt on their part Edited November 18, 2019 by Chomusuke1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator Stuhlfleisch 3,762 Report post Posted November 19, 2019 Unless it gets Pzgr. Ts (and even then it can be debatable) I see no reason why it should stay at 7.7. I feel like it would be much better at 7.3 since then it would not get sucked into the 8.7 black-hole. The M103 has HEAT-FS The IS-4M can also go to 7.3 imo The AMX-50 Surbaissé has an auto-loader The Conqueror has 340mm pen APDS Also, except for the Maus, E-100 and IS-4M, all of the 7.7 post-war heavy tanks have a rangefinder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam_the_man 146 Report post Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) On 17/11/2019 at 10:14, azekill_DIABLO said: I agree with the OP, maus really shines on downtiers, save for t54s, everything you face feels like you are god himself, slaying mercilessly the ennemies (and spending 90% of the game reparing your guns) "you think this makes you strong. It makes you weak." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is still some sliver of hope for the Maus now. Edited November 29, 2019 by Cam_the_man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormwolf7 4,898 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 On 16/11/2019 at 18:54, RohmMohc said: it's an excuse. Nothing more. Interesting opinion. On 16/11/2019 at 18:54, RohmMohc said: The Maus would work. It's just that most people here couldn't bother with actually having to do more than "lol just pen the underperforming turret on that target you can see 5 days before it arrives at the battle" As it is, 6.7s have to go for the few weakpoints it has. Center of turret cheek, directly from the side (no angle) or in the back of the tank. It has no concerns with them. On 16/11/2019 at 18:54, RohmMohc said: The whole issue once more is gaijin's over compressed Battlerating system (which also doesn't take upgrade level into account, because luckily those have no impact on performance whatsoever /s). A better spread and the Maus could've easily be put into a position where it could've faced opponents that could've dealt with it, yet still have the Maus' armor and firepower have a massive impact. Compression does make up a large part of the problem, But it's here to stay. Period. Start working within that headspace or your arguments that involve such an issue are going to be pointless. On 16/11/2019 at 18:54, RohmMohc said: Few people cared about the T28/T95 for the reason that it's an overall not that important tank in the US line. No, they didn't care because they're SLOWER and also CASEMATE tanks. (Easily rendered defenseless.) On 16/11/2019 at 18:54, RohmMohc said: The Maus meanwhile sat as a "roadblock" in the heavy tank line, meaning people have to play it. No, people have to BUY it. There's not a single tank or plane in this game that you HAVE to play. (Unless your tree has only one reserve and you have nothing else. Something I shouldn't have to say... but somehow I feel I need to.) Most people skipped playing Maus and played Leopard. On 16/11/2019 at 18:54, RohmMohc said: Meanwhile Gaijin's incompetence in the area of balancing kept it from being actually a strong vehicle outside of a few situations as soon as they introduced more and more high pen ammo. It was never balanced. It's feast or famine. Before high pen ammo it was feast. After high pen ammo it was famine. On 16/11/2019 at 18:54, RohmMohc said: I don't care what you guys discussed. That's evident. You're still incorrect in your assertions, aside from compression, in which case it is moot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qpranger 1,887 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 Did they remove Maus to make room for Ratte? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
