1.97 Rumor Round-Up and Discussion

[magazine2 7,957]

Mirage is not coming in 1.97

 

Welcome to the 1.97 Rumor Round-Up and Discussion thread!

 

Here you can discuss everything related to 1.97 - such as rumors and other related discussions.

 

Please avoid these types of discussions:

 

-Wish listing - there's a separate thread for that here

-Specifics of vehicle specs like armour, ammo, guns, data sheets - you can make a thread here

-Bug reports - you can make a thread here

 

Not avoiding these discussions will result in your post hidden by a moderator.

 

Please use the 1.95 update thread to discuss Update 1.95 "Northern Wind". Complaining here won't solve anything. 

FAQ

 

Q: What is this thread about?

A:  This thread is about the upcoming patch 1.97 and future content.

 

Q: Shouldn't the next patch be 1.96?

A: No. The even patch numbers are reserved for internal test builds.

 

Q: Will you add...?

A: No. We are no developers, just nosy players.

 

Q: Why isn't [vehicle] on the list?

A: Either because there is no evidence that this vehicle will be added, or because no one told me that there is such evidence.

 

Q: Why is [vehicle/feature] on the Denied list?

A: Because said feature or vehicle was denied by Gaijin developers or their representatives at some point in the past.

 

Q: Where did my post go?

A: Off-Topic comments will often be hidden (not deleted) to keep this thread readable and on topic. No need to be alarmed or comment on the disappearing post(s), if concerned then PM Forum Moderators or Seniors.

 

Q: What does (data finds) mean?

A: It means that evidence of this vehicle, map, or feature has been found in the game files.

 

Q: When will we get the patch?

A: Currently our best guess is in March 2020.

 

Q: What if I don't want to read all these pages to find out what will come?

A: Read the OP. I will frequently update it with new information.

 

 

Unconfirmed / General overview of new stuff (to be updated regularly):

 

Stuff that has been confirmed officially by Gaijin will have "Confirmed:" in front of it.

 

 

Aircraft:

 

Spoiler

Aircraft general

• Drop tank mechanics (CDK finds, however currently not deemed necessary by developers)
• Confirmed: Plans for new aircraft carrier models - Source 1 / Source 2
• Confirmed: Plans for new load out mechanic for planes - Source
• Plans to add defensive systems for aircraft like flares and radar warning systems - Source
• Developing missile battle system beyond visual range - Source 

 

US aircraft

• PV-2 (CDK finds) - Source
• Confirmed: B-26 Marauder being worked on - Source
• PBM-5a (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• PBM-1 (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• F-105 Thunderchief - A pylon has been found in the CDK. The 3000 lbs M118 bomb that has been found was only really used by the F-105 during rolling thunder. Rarely was it fitted onto the F4 - Source
• F-8 Crusader - The AIM-9C is mentioned in the files. The AIM-9C was only used on the F-8. The other other plane that fired them was a modifed F3D-2M in testing in China Lake - Source
• Chances of adding A-10 is good - Source
• F-8A Crusader - Source
• F-89J - Source
• F-89C (30 mm) - Source
• F-89C (Rockets) - Source
• J2M3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• P-66 - Source 1 / Source 2
• A-35B - Source 1 / Source 2
• F6F-3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the F6F-5 came instead, unused since then)
• PBJ-1J-1 - Source 1 / Source 2
• PV-2 - Source 1 / Source 2
• SB2C-5 - Source 1 / Source 2
• TBD-1 (1937) - Source 1 / Source 2

 

German aircraft

• F-86K (CDK find) - Source
• B-17 G - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• MiG-3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Mosquito FB Mk. VI - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• P-39Q-5 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• P-51B - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Pe-2-359 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Bf 110C-4 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the C-7 came in its stead in 1.79, unused since then)
• H-75A-2 - Source 1 / Source 2
• H-75A-4 - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Russian/Soviet aircraft

• BI-1 - Source
• BI-6 - Source
• I250 - Source
• La-7r - Source
• MiG-19S (CDK find) - Source
• Confirmed: MiG-21 variants - planned several more versions, and they are being worked on already - Source
• Chances of adding Su-25 is good - Source
• DI-6 - Source
• IL-20 - Source
• Yak-25 - Source
• I-215 - Source
• VI-100 - Source
• R-10 - Source
• Tu-12 - Source
• MDR-6 - Source
• PBY-5 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• DB-3A - Source 1 / Source 2
• Gudkov K-37 - Source 1 / Source 2
• I-16 Type 17 - Source 1 / Source 2
• LaGG-3-1 - Source 1 / Source 2
• LaGG-3-29 - Source 1 / Source 2
• MiG-15bis (NS-23) - Source 1 / Source 2
• SB-2M-100a (Spain) - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Great British aircraft

• Spitfire IX If c (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Lincoln B Mk I (data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2
• Hornet F.1 (CDK find) - Source
• Whirlwind Mk II - Source
• Early Seafires - Source
• Maryland Mk I (data finds) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Shackleton MR.Mk 1 (data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2
• Welkin Mk.I (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Welkin Mk.I late (data finds, removed from files since) - Source 1  / Source 2
• Bf 109F-4 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Boston Mk. II - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• J2M3 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Catalina Mk. I - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Catalina Mk. I RAAF - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Hurricane Mk. I - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the Hurricane Mk. I/late came in its stead, unused since then)
• Mustang Mk. IA (p_51_mk1a) - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: the current one uses the p_51b model)
• H-75A-4 (Mohawk IV) - Source 1 / Source 2
• Havoc Mk. I Pandora - Source 1 / Source 2
• Intruder Mk. I - Source 1 / Source 2
• Intruder Mk. II - Source 1 / Source 2
• Mustang Mk. I - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Japanese aircraft

• Confirmed: F-4EJ Kai is being worked on - Source
• J5N2 - Source
• Ki-64 - Source
• Ki-74 - Source
• Ki-88 - Source
• H8K1 - Source
• H8K4 - Source
• LaGG-3-8 - Source 1 / Source 2 (note: been in the files for years, unlikely to be added)
• Ki-45 ko tei - Source 1 / Source 2
• Ki-45 hei tei - Source 1 / Source 2
• G4M1 - Source 1 / Source 2
• G8N2 - Source 1 / Source 2
• Ki-43-III ko - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Chinese aircraft

• Chinese P-36 found in CDK - Source
• Confirmed: Q-5 from preliminary tech-tree - Source
• A6M5 - Source 1 / Source 2
• B-17G - Source 1 / Source 2
• La-7 - Source 1 / Source 2
• Pe-2-359 - Source 1 / Source 2
• D.510C - Source 1 / Source 2
• P-26A-35 - Source 1 / Source 2 

 

Italian aircraft

• D.520 - Source 1 / Source 2

 

French aircraft

• Confirmed: Mirage is planned for the future and is already in development - Source
• F-8E (FN) Crusader - Source 
• H-75A-1 (1939) - Source 1 / Source 2
• H-75A-2 - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Swedish aircraft

• Potential Swedish air tree candidates (pure guess work), Finnish ones, found in files - Source
• Confirmed: S 17BS - Source
• Confirmed: MM.406 - Source
• Confirmed: Sk 60b - Source
• Confirmed: J 35D - Source
• Confirmed: Draken and Viggen are in the works - Source: 1.95 test server livestream
• Pe-3bis - Source 1 / Source 2
• H-75A-1 (Finland) - Source 1 / Source 2
• H-75A-4 (Finland) - Source 1 / Source 2
• J 34 Hunter - Source

 

Other aircraft

• The Netherlands: B-25J-30 - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Ground forces:

 

Spoiler

Ground forces general

• Regenerative steering - Source
• Time fused shells - Source 1 / Source 2
• Damage model of wheeled vehicles for damage to suspension and wheels - Source
• Single player ground campaign in the works - Source
• New Japan map - Source
• More wheeled vehicles - Source
• Confirmed: Armoured cars / trucks such as Humvees, buggies, UAZs, Toyotas are in development - Source  

 

US ground forces

• M4A4 (data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2
• M3A3 (data finds) - Source
• M103A2 (possible) - Source

 

German ground forces

• Pz.35t Romania Mare premium (CDK and data finds) - Source
• East-German T-72M1 is possible - Source
• Puma IFV - Source

 

Russian/Soviet ground forces

• BA-3 - Source
• BA-6 - Source
• More armoured cars - Source
• ZSU Yenisei planned - Source

 

Great British ground forces

• Cruiser Tank, Ram II - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Japanese ground forces

• SAM vehicle - Source

 

Chinese ground forces

• Confirmed: ZTZ99 - Source
• Confirmed: ZTZ99A - Source
• Confirmed: ZTZ63A - Source
• Confirmed: Type 79 - Source
• Confirmed: PGZ88 - Source
• Confirmed: PTZ89 - Source
• Confirmed: Sd Kfz 222 - Source
• Confirmed: Type 59-II - Source
• Confirmed: CM25 TOW - Source
• Confirmed: ZSD53 - Source
• ZTZ-69-IIa - Source 1 / Source 2
• More Chinese SPAA this year (2020) - Source

 

Italian ground forces

• 75/34 M43 with BREDA 8mm MG's on top - Source 1 / Source 2 / Source 3
• M14/41 with 47/40 gun - Source 
• Plans to add more ground vehicles between 4.3 - 6.0 - Source 

 

French ground forces

• AMX-50 1950 - Source 

 

Swedish ground forces

• Confirmed: IKV 72 - Source

 

Naval:

 

Spoiler

Naval general

• Mines
• New naval game modes - Source
• New ship textures in files - Source

• urret_100mm_mz16_twin, turret_152mm_mk17_twin, turret_305mm_mk15_triple - Kronshtadt class BC - Source

• turret_127mm_skc34_c34 - Type 1936B Destroyer (according to the other datamine, but it was also used on Type 34 and 36s) - Source

• turret_305mm_mk8_triple - Alaska class CB - Source

• turret_37mm_46k_quadruple - Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya in 1942 (Source) - Source

• turret_40mm_mk1_quadruple_shield - This makes no sense since the quad 40mm Bofors was designated Mk.II. - Source

• Texture updates for British destroyers' 102 and 120mm guns (found on Tribal, etc.). - Source

• Texture updates for PT boats' 37mm M4. - Source

• lifeboat_ussr_pr371_admiral - Admiralty class service vessel, found on larger ships. - Source

• lifeboat_japan_daihatsu_landing_craft - Source

• Slowly approaching battle-cruiser sized ships - Source

 

US navy

• Alaska - Source

 

German navy

• Scharnhorst - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Russian/Soviet navy

• Kronshtadt - Source
• Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya - Source  

 

Great British navy

• DD J-Class HMS Jervis (data finds) - Source
• SGB (S309) "Grey Goose" - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Japanese navy

• Type K-8 (1942) - Source 1 / Source 2

 

Chinese navy

• Confirmed: Plans for the Chinese navy - Source

 

Italian navy

• MAS 500 (data finds) - Source 1 / Source 2
• Confirmed:  Soldati serie 1 destroyer - Source
• Confirmed:  Condottieri-class cruiser - Source
• Confirmed:  MS74 serie 2A torpedo boat - Source
• Turbine class destroyer (data finds)
• Freccia-class destroyer (data finds) - Source
• Confirmed:  Trento-class cruiser - Source
• Confirmed:  Saetta-class gunboat - Source
• Confirmed:  Italian navy WILL come in 2020 - Source
• Confirmed:  CRDA 60t - Source (0:08 seconds)

 

French navy

• Section empty

 

Swedish navy

• Section empty

 

Helicopters:

 

Spoiler

General helicopters

• Section empty

 

US helicopters

• YAH-64 images were accidentally uploaded to the PS4 store.
• YAH-64 was in the Ka-50's dev blog clip by mistake - Source
• AH-64A (CDK find) - Source
• AH-64D (CDK find) - Source
• AH-64A Peten (Israeli Apache) (CDK find) - Source

 

German helicopters

• Section empty

 

Russian/Soviet helicopters

• Section empty

 

Great British helicopters

• Confirmed: Plans to develop the British helicopter research tree - Source
• Confirmed: Considering more helicopters, specifically the Westland Wessex - Source  
• AH Mk I - Source

 

Japanese helicopters

• Section empty

 

Chinese helicopters

• Plans for Chinese helicopter research tree - Source 

 

Italian helicopters

• Confirmed: Italian helicopters will come in 2020 - Source 

 

French helicopters

• Section empty

 

Swedish helicopters

• Swedish helicopter tree "most likely" - Source

 

Other helicopters

• Mi-24 Superhind not excluded as a possibility - Source
• Denel Rooivalk not excluded as a possibility - Source

 

Other:

 

Spoiler

Other general

• One developer has plans for helicopter EC - Source
• Clouds are going to be reworked 

 

Unclear:

 

Spoiler

General unclear

• Sea Killer/Nettuno Italian anti-ship missile found in the CDK. It was trailed on the Freccia-class patrol boat - Source
• Type 90 Ship-to-ship missile (90式艦対艦誘導弾, SSM-1B) - Source
• Otomat Mk I missile - Source
• OV-10A unclear - being worked on by Nova, it's a possible candidate.
• Submarines unclear - Q&A so far said either "not now" or "not yet". Submarines might come eventually since they were in April Fools 2018.
• Auxiliary cruisers - non in development, but haven not been ruled out, said in 2017 - Source 

 

Denied:

 

Spoiler

General denied

• PTAB-SD 4 HL - Source
• Zerstörer 45 - Source
• Changing loaded round without shooting.
• Fairey Gannet (shoot range, 13 / 04 / 2017)
• B-36
• No Israeli tech tree - Source
• British Gazelle - Source - Not enough evidence for British Gazelle armament, therefore denied for now, need more information on it

 

Thread last updated: 12 / 03 / 2020 by magazine2

[Stavroforos 15,367]

Thanks magazine! 

 

Let's rumour the heck out of 1.97. 

[Cedjoe 5,482]

Thanks for the new thread 

I'm gonna say it one time,

 

there better be a Mirage III this update 

 

I mean it's kinda 90% sure

Edited December 17, 2019 by Cedjoe

[Stavroforos 15,367]

Also, I think you can add the AH-64 to the list, since we saw the ones in the 1.95 dev client, and Deutschland has already been added in form of Graf Spee. 

[TheCheshireCat 2,577]

@magazine2 Thank you sir  might want to update the OP with the AH-64A, AH-64D and WAH-64D alongside the Israeli variant whose name eludes me, they were all datamined.

[Capt_Rodgers 2,370]

Now we need to spam 2 things here now. At first we will spam Apaches and at second we will spam Mach 2 jets

[efetenekeci 1,841]

Come on B26!

Edited December 17, 2019 by efetenekeci

[Krteq 1,052]

Will be final vulkan renderer implemented in 1.97?

[Fedman_kassads 195]

Apache and mirage 3 spam incoming

Edited December 17, 2019 by Fedman_kassads

[AdmiralTakao 249]

6 minutes ago, Cedjoe said:

Thanks for the new thread 

I'm gonna say it one time,

 

there better be a Mirage III this update 

But hope so too 

Edited December 17, 2019 by AdmiralTakao

[Kanyiko 8,568]

@magazine2 I guess you can add to the list:

 

- Sweden: Air: "Confirmed: Draken (& Viggen?) are in the works (source: 1.95 test server livestream)

- US/UK: AH-64 Apache in the works (cdk find)

Edited December 17, 2019 by Kanyiko

[magazine2 7,957]

5 minutes ago, Stavroforos said:

Also, I think you can add the AH-64 to the list, since we saw the ones in the 1.95 dev client, and Deutschland has already been added in form of Graf Spee. 

 

Added AH-64 to list since it was found in dev files and removed Deutschland from German naval section. 

 

3 minutes ago, TheCheshireCat said:

@magazine2 Thank you sir  might want to update the OP with the AH-64A, AH-64D and WAH-64D alongside the Israeli variant whose name eludes me, they were all datamined.

 

 added.

[Cedjoe 5,482]

1 minute ago, AdmiralTakao said:

But hope so too 

It's alive more than ever I'd say haha, at least now there's no real reason to spam it as it's pretty sure it's coming.

[NettoRama 138]

https://www.trueachievements.com/products/42070/War-Thunder--Apache-Pack

[didrec 100]

So maybe the Mi...... the plane that we should not name next patch XD

[Draco_Argentum 1,504]

Welcome to the Apache hype preparation. I imagine more Rank 7 helos and rank 5 cruisers are likely.

[Stavroforos 15,367]

Just now, didrec said:

So maybe the Mi...... the plane that we should not name next patch XD

No no, we can definitely name it in this patch until someone comes along in a month and tells us it's not happening :P 

[efetenekeci 1,841]

Should we expect naval br rises for top ships in 1.97? 

[magazine2 7,957]

Already multiple posts hidden, oh boy this is gonna be a long ~3 months. 

 

Reminder to take 1.95 stuff to this thread:

 

 

[benboy24 1,127]

1 minute ago, magazine2 said:

Already multiple posts hidden, oh boy this is gonna be a long ~3 months. 

 

Reminder to take 1.95 stuff to this thread:

 

 

Good luck magazine  

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

Very excited what next year will bring, but until then, I wish everyone merry Christmas weeks and a good start into 2020!

[Cedjoe 5,482]

1 minute ago, magazine2 said:

Already multiple posts hidden, oh boy this is gonna be a long ~3 months. 

 

Reminder to take 1.95 stuff to this thread:

 

 

Is my comment the first hidden one? 

[Охраняет-Камни 6,650]

It's time!

[Stavroforos 15,367]

Woah there Condie, that's a bit too north for an Italian, all your tomato sauce is going to freeze. 

[ItalianoConvinto 38]

The 1.95 video on war thunders channel just confirmed that the swedish ground forces will come "with the very next update"