Dassault Mirage 5F

[Milocat 4,857]

This suggestion is specifically for the Mirage 5F used by the French air force, and not for any of the export variants.  

 

The Dassault Mirage 5 was a modification of the company's successful Mirage III fighter aircraft, originally meant for export to Israel in the mid-1960s.  Originally the specification called for a simplified design and reduced avionics in order to provide room for additional fuel and ordinance hardpoints to improve the aircraft's endurance and ground attack capability.  Radar was removed from the aircraft because it was not deemed a critical feature for middle eastern operations due to the frequent clear weather.  The Mirage 5 design kept the two 30mm cannons from the Mirage III and added two additional ordinance hardpoints for a total of seven; it could carry 4,000 kg of ordinance, including bombs, rocket pods, drop tanks, reconnaissance pods, or heat-seeking missiles.

 

Rising tensions in the middle east led to France placing an embargo on export of the Mirage 5 aircraft to Israel, although the Israelis created the IAI Nesher aircraft off of either blueprints of the Mirage 5 or aircraft surreptitiously provided to them from France despite the embargo (suspected by some but not confirmed).  The 50 Mirage 5 aircraft originally built for the Israeli contract were given to the French air force under the designation of Mirage 5F.  Multiple export variants of the Mirage 5 were also built and sold to a wide variety of nations, including Abu Dhabi, Argentina, Belgium, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Egypt, Gabon, Libya, Pakistan, Peru, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Venezuela, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Zaire at the time).  Many of these variants were equipped with radar, two-seat capability, or other changes from the original design.  

 

The Mirage 5F would be a great high-tier jet to add to the French tree!  

 

Specifications: 

Engines:  One SNECMA Atar 9c afterburning turbojet engine, 41.97 KN (9,440 lbs) thrust dry, 60.8 KN (13,700 lbs) thrust with afterburner

Length:  15.55m

Wingspan:  8.22

Height:  4.5m

Empty Weight:  7,150 kg (15,763 lb)

Maximum Takeoff Weight:  13,700 kg (30,203 lb)

Maximum Speed:  2,350 kmh (1,460 mph) (Mach 1.9)

Cruising Speed:  956 kmh (594 mph)

Crew:  1

Armament:  Two 30mm DEFA 552 cannons in the nose (125 rpg), up to 4,000 kg (8,800 lbs) of ordinance, including two AIM-9 Sidewinder or two Matra R.550 Magic heat-seeking missiles and/or two Matra JL-100 rocket pod/drop tanks, each containing 18 68mm SNEB rockets and 250 L (66 gal) of fuel, and/or bombs

Number Built:  50 (582 of all Mirage 5 variants)

 

Images:  

Spoiler

 

Sources:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_5 

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=256 

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/mirage-5/ 

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mirage-5.htm 

https://www.flight-manuals-online.com/product/dassault-mirage-iii-and-v/ 

http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/dassault_mirage-5.php 

http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/Dassault/Mirage-V/ 

http://all-aero.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2761:dassault-mirage-iii--5--50&catid=45 

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mirag5.html 

[ItssLuBu 1,803]

Approved and open for discussion. 

[eleks12 1,079]

+1

[STRONGO1808 35]

+1

 

[Cedjoe 5,482]

+1

It would be nice to see right after the Mirage IIIC/E in the tech tree once it's added.

Edited January 28, 2020 by Cedjoe

[Milocat 4,857]

3 hours ago, ItssLuBu said:

Approved and open for discussion. 

 

Thank you!  

 

And thanks to everyone else for the support!

[Kasukaru 2,164]

Definitely a great idea. +1

[Bringer_Of_War 901]

Would fit the game better than the mirage III in my opinion 

[MonkeyBussiness 1,228]

+1 , we could have the Mirage IIIC in the left branch (pure fighter) and the mid line with Mirage IIIE/5 and his variants

[Bringer_Of_War 901]

+1 

[Trotrodor 2,670]

+1

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

I see it in the bomber line just before the Mirage IV

Edited April 10, 2020 by nxdefiant001

[Trotrodor 2,670]

8 minutes ago, nxdefiant001 said:

I see it in the bomber line just before the Mirage IV

The Mirage 5F was more of a fighter bomber, it was lighter than the Mirage IIIE, with the same engine, being probably the best performing of the Mirage III family, so it's more of a strike fighter, with excellent fighting capability

[Nicolaser 2,024]

Mirage 3 ng and 50 were better

 

Also mirage 4 have no place in game

Edited April 10, 2020 by Nicolaser

[Arghail 1,220]

A photo showing its hardpoints and bomb load (Mirage V n°1).

 

[Trotrodor 2,670]

9 hours ago, Nicolaser said:

Mirage 3 ng and 50 were better

 

Also mirage 4 have no place in game

of course sorry,

 

I was thinking in the french army (I have a suggestion on the 50 coming)

Edited April 10, 2020 by Trotrodor

[Cedjoe 5,482]

6 hours ago, Nicolaser said:

Mirage 3 ng and 50 were better

 

Also mirage 4 have no place in game

As we already have planes such as the Vautour IIB or the B-57/Canberra, I don't really see a problem with the addition of the Mirage IV.

[Nicolaser 2,024]

54 minutes ago, Cedjoe said:

As we already have planes such as the Vautour IIB or the B-57/Canberra, I don't really see a problem with the addition of the Mirage IV.

I don't know, the fact that it has no conventional bomb

[Arghail 1,220]

35 minutes ago, Nicolaser said:

I don't know, the fact that it has no conventional bomb

 

It does though :

 

Spoiler

 

Well this is an artist rendition of course. And the Mirage IVK was never produced in the end. But the Mirage IVA is real. I'm fairly certain I saw photos of it with conventional bombs attached (although not as many, I think). It is a viable bomber.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Arghail

[Nicolaser 2,024]

29 minutes ago, Arghail said:

 

It does though :

 

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Well this is an artist rendition of course. And the Mirage IVK was never produced in the end. But the Mirage IVA is real. I'm fairly certain I saw photos of it with conventional bombs attached (although not as many, I think). It is a viable bomber.

As soon as you show me a real picture with conventional armament I'll support it but for now I never heard about a K Variant or conventional bomb

 

What I know however : the mirage 4 was faster with the bomb than without it

Edited April 10, 2020 by Nicolaser

[Arghail 1,220]

21 minutes ago, Nicolaser said:

As soon as you show me a real picture with conventional armament I'll support it but for now I never heard about a K Variant or conventional bomb

 

I don't have a photo but I know where to find one, and its context.

 

BEAUMONT Hervé, Docavia n°65 MIRAGE IV, bombardier stratégique, édition Larivière, 2003.

Page 124 : In 1965, the British considered buying Mirage IV instead of F-111 for tactical bombing, because they were less expensive, and their already were some agreements with the French at the time. Dassault presented to the British delegation a Mirage IV outfitted with 8 x 400kg STRIM type 21 bombs. There is a photo in this specific page of the book, which I do not posess at the moment.

 

Moreover, there are several accounts of British sources saying the plane could in theory be able to be outfitted with 16 x 1000 lb bombs, as well as Martel AS missile.

 

https://books.google.fr/books?id=OKFCekKI6RgC&q="'mirage+iv"+bombs+martel&dq="'mirage+iv"+bombs+martel&ei=vKZLS_-nG4muzQS5obWmAg&cd=8&redir_esc=y&hl=fr

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Arghail

[Cedjoe 5,482]

1 hour ago, Nicolaser said:

As soon as you show me a real picture with conventional armament I'll support it but for now I never heard about a K Variant or conventional bomb

 

What I know however : the mirage 4 was faster with the bomb than without it

 

And I've read multiple sources stating it was indeed tested with the Martel, although I can't find any picture apart from these

Spoiler

 

 

It is shown with 8 bombs in those pictures but I'm sure 16 could be fitted. It should also be capable of carrying flare pods and has some kind of RWR.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Cedjoe

[Cedjoe 5,482]

54 minutes ago, Nicolaser said:

What I know however : the mirage 4 was faster with the bomb than without it

I'm not sure but this might partially be because the hole under the fuselage housing the nuclear ordnance isn't very aerodynamic when the bomb isn't there anymore. And maybe because it changes the position of the center of gravity.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Cedjoe

[Arghail 1,220]

13 minutes ago, Cedjoe said:

I'm not sure but this might partially be because the hole under the fuselage housing the nuclear ordnance isn't very aerodynamic when the bomb isn't there anymore. And maybe because it changes the position of the center of gravity.

 

Thank you Cedjoe. You know, with all that, you could do a suggestion out of it, with the proper sources. You got the photos for it.

 

That said, this is the Mirage 5 topic. I'd suggest we get back on topic.

[Cedjoe 5,482]

Just now, Arghail said:

 

Thank you Cedjoe. You know, with all that, you could do a suggestion out of it, with the proper sources. You got the photos for it.

 

That said, this is the Mirage 5 topic. I'd suggest we get back on topic.

Of course.

 

I might try a suggestion when I get the time.