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Modern Medium Weight Tank/ Kaplan MT/ Pindad Harimau  

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  1. 1. Do you want to see this vehicle added to WT?

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    • No
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  2. 2. What vehicle should this be classified as?

    • Techtree
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    • Event
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    • Premium (purchasable)
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    • Premium (Battlepass)
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    • I voted no
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  3. 3. Which tech tree would this best fit in?

    • American
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    • Japanese
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    • Other (specify in the comments)
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    • I voted no
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Welcome to my 14th suggestion thread- which covers the Modern Medium Weight Tank, a collaborative effort between Indonesia and Turkey, where it is known as the Pindad Harimau in the former and Kaplan MT in the latter.

 

BRIEF DESCRIPTION

A next-gen medium-weight tank (similar in role and configuration to a light tank) designed to replace current in-service light tanks of the two nations that collaborated on it. The tank is a very recent development and has only just started its mass production run.

 

HISTORY AND DETAILS

The Modern Medium Weight Tank (MMWT) is a collaborative effort between Turkish defence company FNSS Defence Systems and Indonesian state-owned armament producer PT Pindad, first agreed upon by the two governments in 2015 for a reported price of $30 million. The development phase of the program took around 37 months, with the first prototype being built in Turkey and the second in Indonesia; intellectual property was agreed to be shared between the two nations. 

The tank was first unveiled at the 2016 Indonesian Defence Expo along with its technical specifications (more on that later), and first prototype was revealed in 2017. The next year, FNSS told Turkey's Anadolu news agency that the tank is considered ready for mass production- having passed qualification tests for TNI-AD usage, and that the first batch of tanks numbering 20-25 are available for order beginning late 2018. In 2020, the tank officially entered mass production. It is intended to replace AMX-13-105s in Indonesian service, but as of right now not enough has been produced and TNI-AD is still using AMX-13-105s as their main light tank (including a mildly famous incident where a 4th Cavalry Battalion AMX-13-105 crashes into a food cart and several parked motorcycles)

 

The MMWT is more similar to a light tank than an MBT, having a Cockerill 105mm high-pressure rifled main gun that can fire NATO-standard 105mm ammunition as well as the Falarick ATGM (A GL-ATGM designed for the 105mm Cockerill gun). The gun is equipped with a thermal jacket, autoloading system, bore evacuator, two-plane stabilizer, and a modern FCS.

Armor protection is rated at STANAG 4569 Level IV protection- able to protect against 14.5x114m AP rounds at 200m fired at 911m/s, but it has a modular armor system that can be upgraded on-the-fly to withstand 25mm APDS-T at 500m with 1258m/s velocity.

The tank is powered by a Caterpillar C13 diesel engine generating 711hp mated to an Allison/Caterpillar X300 transmission, allowing the tank to reach a top speed of 78kph in open roads.

 

IN WAR THUNDER

The MMWT can be a 9.7-10.3 BR light tank at Rank VII, with the ability to fire a bewilderingly large array of ammunition including HEAT (non-FS, since it is a rifled gun), HESH, APFSDS, and more (in short, if the 105mm L7 gun can fire it, the 105mm Cockerill gun probably can do so as well), as well as firing a GL-ATGM (the Falarick) in addition to that.

Personally, I'd say it goes in the Japanese tech tree, since that tree seem to be the catch-all for the minor Asian nations (if their vehicles don't fall into Russia or China) and that tree desperately needs some love, which this thing can provide. Less preferably (since that tree is oversaturated with vehicles) it can go to the US tech tree, which is just as well since the Turkish M60 we have in-game is there. Ofc, I'll leave the tree choice to you guys.

 

SPECIFICATIONS

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PICTURES

Harimau Hitam Medium Tank | Military-Today.com

The MMWT, known as the Pindad Harimau (Tiger, no relation to the legendary WWII tank) or Harimau Hitam (Black Tiger). Note the IFV-like hull shape, for some reason.

Pandur II 8x8 FSV and Black Tiger MMWT | Indonesia

The MMWT next to a Pandur 8x8 FSV. Note the open hatch.

Bagaimana Sebenarnya Kemampuan Tank Harimau Buatan Pindad dan FNSS?

The countries and companies that collaborated on the tank are imprinted at the side of this tank.

 

 

 

SOURCES

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/kaplan-mt-modern-medium-weight-tank/

https://www.armyrecognition.com/turkey_turkish_light_armoured_vehicles_uk/mmwt_modern_medium_weight_tank_fnss_105mm_ct-cv_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video_10412164.html

https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/news/fnss-and-pt-pindad-completes-conceptual-design-of-the-modern-medium-weight-tank-mmwt

https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=1183

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/harimau_hitam.htm

 

CLOSING

With this out of the way, I will probably only need to make a thread on the K21, which features several variants that can be implemented in-game and will be a more complex thread, following my Type 05 Amphibious Assault Armored Vehicle thread in structure, but a lot more extensive. Until then, see you around.

 

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More 105mm Tanks are always welcome, espiecally anything armed with the Cockerill gun.

 

2 hours ago, Sweepdown said:

IN WAR THUNDER

The MMWT can be a 9.7-10.3 BR light tank at Rank VII, with the ability to fire a bewilderingly large array of ammunition including HEAT (non-FS, since it is a rifled gun), HESH, APFSDS, and more (in short, if the 105mm L7 gun can fire it, the 105mm Cockerill gun probably can do so as well), as well as firing a GL-ATGM (the Falarick) in addition to that.

Personally, I'd say it goes in the Japanese tech tree, since that tree seem to be the catch-all for the minor Asian nations (if their vehicles don't fall into Russia or China) and that tree desperately needs some love, which this thing can provide. Less preferably (since that tree is oversaturated with vehicles) it can go to the US tech tree, which is just as well since the Turkish M60 we have in-game is there. Ofc, I'll leave the tree choice to you guys.

 

Agreed, gives more vehicles to the minor nations in game, allowing them to be better balanced against the Major Nations, though it will probably end up in the US Tree or one of the other major nations because of the reasons.

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I voted yes, variety is good, but I have no idea where is this machine should go. 
It has no place in the US and A tree, and they dont need it.
Japan has the 8x8 with 105mm, so they have a similar vehicle in the tree... They could use it, but it wont save the 10.0 lineup, and nothing tie the kaplan, to them.

 

And something off: What is a medium tank right now? The Griffin (General Dynamics) classified as a light tank, but from what I found, that thing is heavier and has an option to use 120mm instead of 105mm.

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+1

would definitely be top tier competitive if M1060CV's specifications are correct, I'm a JPN main so obviously I'd want it in the Japan tree but it'd be cool to see anyways if they ever made some sort of international tree that encompassed the more minor nations.

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9 hours ago, Indo_Pilot said:

+1 Currently two prototypes of Harimau exist, with at least some external differences between them, so you might want to specify which vehicles to add

Video of 2nd prototype during live-fire test

 

 

  It seems Kaplan received a downgrade in terms of its protection. IDEF'19 prototype had hard-kill APS fitted, probably PULAT/AKKOR, yet there was no APS on IDEF'21 prototype nor this one in the video. Either they changed placement of launchers and I cannot spot them or they got rid of them. 

  IDEF'21 prototype is supposed to be the production version as far as I'm aware, so its highly unlikely we'll see APS fitted Kaplans in service.

 

IDEF'19 Prototype with APS

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IDEF'21 Prototype

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On 14.10.2022 at 12:06, Farmuhan said:

+1, чтобы поместить его в дерево подсистем Индонезии, которое это поддерево добавило в дерево технологий Израиля.

 

I fully agree that there should be a separate sub-branch of Indonesia in which Malaysian vehicles will also be located.

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On 18/10/2022 at 22:07, EdwardCorringham said:

 

I fully agree that there should be a separate sub-branch of Indonesia in which Malaysian vehicles will also be located.

why my replies in russian?

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Imo they should create an independent Turkish Ground Forces tree styled like Israel, starting at Rank IV and add an Indonesian Sub-tree to supplement that since Indonesia and Turkey are military development partners. Indonesia also has some indigenous vehicles that are pretty unique and could compliment it well.

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  After looking through its history I've realised there is three different version that could be potentially added to the game. Two for each, 2017 prototype for both nations, 2021 prototype/production version to Indonesia exclusive and 2019 prototype for Turkey exclusive. Since neither Indonesia nor Turkey has TTs, I'm not going to question their placement. 

 

Kaplan MT IDEF'17 Prototype

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Kaplan MT IDEF'19 Prototype

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Kaplan MT IDEF'21 Prototype/Production Version

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17 hours ago, Sweepdown said:

Judging from what has been posted here, the Kaplan/Harimau/MMWT has an optional Pulat hard-kill APS.

 

  Yes it does, FNSS's brochure states that APS is an optional modification.

 

17 hours ago, Sweepdown said:

I wonder: where is it mounted,

 

 

  Like this, one launcher each front and back, and two launcher for each side. (Although you cannot see in this angle you cannot see the back launcher)

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17 hours ago, Sweepdown said:

 and does it justify a higher BR 

 

  I would say yes but keep that in my mind that PULAT's efficiency is limited, it works well against ATGMs and rockets but fails to protect effectively against sub-caliber rounds. Kaplan would be similar to CV 90105 and placed at 9.7, while the one with APS would be appropriate at 10.0. 

 

17 hours ago, Sweepdown said:

or will it do as a modification (a la BMP-1P vs BMP-1)?

 

  I'm not sure what kind of modification it requires to fit PULAT but I do know that it is quite lightweight system with easy integration. Some launchers are mounted outside while some are inside of the hull, so it would require a degree of modifications.But Philippines did not choose APS integration, so I don't think their version (which is Production version) would have access to it. I think adding them as separate vehicle makes more sense, since you could use either prototype as premium.

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