Worcester class Light cruisers, USS Worcester (CL-144) & USS Roanoke (CL-145) - The Last all gun American Light Cruisers

[de Radio Demon@live 266]

                                         Worcester class Light cruisers, USS Worcester (CL-144) & USS Roanoke (CL-145) - The Last all gun American Light Cruisers

                                                                

 

Background

The Worcester class was a class of light cruisers which were designed to be both AA cruisers like their predecessors, the Juneau class cruisers which themselves were improvements on the Atlanta class cruisers hence the layout of 6 twin turrets with 3 at the bow and 3 at the stern, though interestingly if not almost a little reminiscent a bit of the Japanese Mogami class cruisers, even though these ships were armed with 12 6 inch guns in 6 turrets the ships hulls are notably the largest and heaviest of any American light cruiser, so much so that the ships were longer and displaced more than the Baltimore class heavy cruisers from the Second World War. As mentioned previously they were armed with 12 6-inch guns in 6 turrets, this stepped away from the triple 6-inch gun turrets which were found on the Brooklyn class, Cleveland class, as well as there sub classes which brought them more in line with the Atlanta class and Juneau class, these turrets like the Des Moines class Heavy cruisers had gained the feature of having the main guns using autoloaders, as a result with the turrets having high elevation and the auto loaders this would allow the ships capable of serving the roles of a AA cruisers and Conventional cruiser, unusually unlike any American cruiser which either served or was started during or around WW2 this class would not include the 5 inch dual purpose guns which were found on literally any other American cruiser, as with the Des Moines class the ships would use 3-inch (76mm) dual purpose guns rather than 40mm Bofors as the 3-inch gun was deemed to have superior range and could be as effective as 2 40mm Bofors quad mounts however 20mm guns would still be included. Like the Des Moines class which were the Heavy cruiser equivalent of the class, the Worcester class was the last all gun American light cruiser as the Des Moines was the last all gun American heavy cruiser, and just like the Des Moines class most of the ships of the class were never completed however compared to the Heavy cruisers, only 10 light cruisers of this class were planned compared to the 12 planned Des Moines ships of which only 3 Des Moines class cruisers were finished.

 

History

Development:

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The Worcester was a class of Light cruiser laid down in 1945, originally 10 ships were planned in the class of which only 4 were actually ordered, this is due to in part that during the design phase the General Board would end up suggesting reordering the ships as Large Heavy cruiser (who knows why) with the ships using instead 8 inch guns, of which it was contemplated that ships CL-143 to CL-149 would use this.

(The following part  separated by the lines is not talking about the history of the ships themselves but rather the designation and explanation of why ships CL-143 to CL-149 were considered for those who may notice something odd. The following section is me speaking my best to explain this and does not use much information from sources what so ever, if you wish to just read the actual history feel free to skip it.)

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Bit of side  explanation: To explain of why the heck the General board is asking to reorder ships for those who might notice anything odd about what ships were being asked to be re-ordered, to explain it is that the cruisers hull numbers is still obviously for that specific cruiser, the designation of CL or CA as you may know designates what kind of cruiser it might be. Now this little part might be confusing as if you look at Wikipedia and American cruisers you may notice that 3 ships under consideration to be re-ordered are not at all Worcester class cruisers, 3 of them belong Des Moines class cruisers, even though what sources I am using here are for the Worcester class they don't explain when this occurred but it was simple for me to at least understand the period when this was happening, of which this was probably taking place during the time the ships of both Worcester and Des Moines classes were being designed still and had yet to be ordered meaning it was probably during WW2, the reason I came to this conclusion is that from the fact that the source mentions hull numbers from 143 to 149 of which 3 we know were ordered as heavy cruisers in the end, it's safe to say that at this point the US Navy had yet to order any ship of either class and that the hull numbers had not been given to either Heavy cruiser or Light cruiser designation and that the given hull numbers can be considered as the planned designation rather than the actually of final designation.

In the end however this never happened due to delay in the production of these 8-inch guns plus the need for ships with dual purpose 6 inch guns, finally in the end only 4 ships were ordered, they were USS Worcester (CL-144), USS Roanoke (CL-145), USS Vallejo (CL-146), and USS Gary (CL-147) were ordered, however as mentioned previously like Des Moines class most of the ships were canceled with only the  Worcester and Roanoke being completed, while Vallejo was laid down but canceled during construction, and Gary being canceled before being laid down. They would be armed with 12 6-inch dual purpose guns in 6 twin turrets, 24 3-inch (76mm) guns in mostly dual mounts with 2 single mounts, as well as 12 20mm guns, the ships displaced 14,700 tons standard and nearly 18,000 tons fully loaded, they were capable of reaching speeds of 33 knots, the ships had armor from around 3 to 5 inches in most places with the the turret faces being 6.5 inches and the thinnest armor being 2 inches which were also on the turrets.

USS Worcester

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USS Worcester (CL-144) was laid down on January 29th, 1945 in New Jersey, she would be launched on February 4th, 1947, and she would enter commission on June 26th, 1948. She would first be assigned  to Cruiser Division 10 and she would spend her first year of service completing her fitting out as well as undergoing her shakedown cruise which took part off the US East coast. In summer of 1949 she would take part in her first major training exercise which saw her visit Guantanamo Bay as well as Kingston in Jamaica, following that she would depart for the Mediterranean on September 6th after leaving Rhode Island. During her time there she would visit a number of places such as Malta, Italy, France, Turkey, Greece as well as some other places as apart of the 6th fleet, during this time she would also took part in exercises and maneuvers with fast carrier task forces which included the Essex class carrier Leyte as well as her heavy cruiser counter part Des Moines, she would then return in the US in Norfolk, Virginia and December 10th. Worcester would then be based once again off the US East coast during which she would visit Puerto Rico, then on May 3rd she left for her second deployment with the 6th fleet in the Mediterranean and she would continue to take part in exercises as well as visits to foreign ports including Phaleron Bay on July 20th which would only last for a week as she was then ordered to move to the Far East as a response to the start of the Korean War, she along with the 4 destroyers of Destroyer division 21 would reach Port Said 2 days later and then pass through the Suez Canal later that day.  Worcester and the destroyers would make a few stops on the way with the ships reaching Okinawa on August 19th, however the ships would be diverted while on their way to Okinawa through the Bashi Channel in order for her to be available for a counterattack for if the PLA attempted to invade Formosa (Taiwan). Worcester would in fact however then be assigned to Formosa Patrol the next day and she would be in Formosa from August 22nd to the 26th, following which she would then join up with the carriers Philippine Sea and Valley Forge which were operating in the Yellow Sea at the time off Korea. While there she would escort the carriers as the conducted a number of raids against North Korean forces, during this time on September 4th she would pick up a unknown contact which resulted in 4 f4u corsairs being sent to investigate which would turn out to be a twin engine bomber with a pointed nose, a single tail fin, and high inverted gull wings, it also bore red star marking, and later that day they would shoot down the bomber, the next day Worcester ended up detecting another unidentified contact and the crew were order to general quarters and she would end up firing 3 6-inch rounds at the unidentified as warning shots, 3 minutes after making contact, this plane would turn out to be a British Sunderland, and on September 6th she would transfer over her helicopter to the Philippine Sea in order for Anti aircraft gunnery practice, following this and the return of her helicopter she would depart for Sasebo, Japan, in order to replenish fuel, ammunition, stores, and provisions and she would be there from the 7th to the 10th. Then on the 11th she would return to the Yellow Sea in order to cover UN landings in Inchon and Seoul and would screen the carriers while the aircraft attacked enemy forces along with the Baltimore class cruiser Helena and during which time she would relive the Helena once she needed to return to Sasebo.

                                                                       

On the 26th the Worcester would relive her fire support to the Destroyer USS Samuel N. Moor in order to rescue the Destroyer USS Brush which reportedly hit a mine, they would fine the Destroyer at a 3 degree list with 5 dead and 15 others wounded, the Worcester along with the destroyers  Bolster, and De Haven and the crippled Brush would then headed for Sasebo and reached port on September 29th, the next day she would then depart in order to continue fire support where she would then join a blockading force of the East of Korea at the beginning of October to support UN forces against North Korean troops, she would return once more to Sasebo on October 8th and as her time as flagship of TG 95.2 she would then become flagship of TF 95 as Rear Admiral Allan E. Smith boarded the ship and on October 10th she would return off the East coast of Korea where she would be minesweeping off the port of Wonsan, the next day they would be joined by  the British destroyer HMS Cockade, the Australian destroyer HMAS Warramunga, and the Canadian destroyer HMCS Athabaskan joined Worcester's group which already included the British light cruiser HMS Ceylon and the heavy cruiser Helena besides the American warships Rochester, Herbert J. Thomas, and Maddox, and finally the next day would be joined by USS Missouri, the ships would then go on to bombard a number of land targets for the next few days a during which the Worcester and Helena detected unidentified contacts which were said to probably be 2 flocks of Geese, on October 21st Rear Admiral Smith disembarked and shifted his flag to the destroyer tender Dixie upon reaching Sasebo. Worcester completed the transfer of helicopter personnel, spares, and equipment to Fleet Activities, Sasebo, and on October 23rd, headed for Yokosuka. She reached that port two days later and after the replenishment, liberty for her crew, and the cleaning of two boilers, the light cruiser left the Far East on October 27th, bound for Pearl Harbor, she would then depart for the Panama Canal and finally return to Philadelphia on November 21st and would spend 6 days in Norfolk from November 23rd to the 29th before undergoing overhaul at Boston Naval yards from the December 1st and lasting until March 20th, 1951, followed by another stay at Norfolk from the 22nd till the 30th, following which she would spend almost a month at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba training and refreshing her crew before returning to Norfolk. On May 15th she would then depart for her 3rd deployment to the Mediterranean, she would go on to conduct 4 more of these deployments in the Mid 1950's and on 2 occasions would visit northern European ports and would take part in fleet maulers and exercises as well as good will visits to other countries. She would transfer from the Atlantic fleet to the pacific fleet in 1956 and take part in 2 additional deployments with the 7th fleet, she would also visit a number of ports with a number of familiar ports and other ports she had not visited.

                                                              

On September 2nd, 1958 Worcester departed Long Beach to Mare Island Naval Shipyard for deactivation and was Decommissioned and put into reserve on December 19th, 1958, she would be struck from the naval register at the beginning of December in 1970 and was sold for scrap on July 5th, 1972. One last note of her history is that approximately 200 tons of her armor plate was sent to the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Illinois, west of Chicago, and the armor is being used for absorption shielding in the particle accelerator and experiment lines.

USS Roanoke

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USS Roanoke was laid down on May 15th, 1945, she would be launched on June 16th, 1947, and commissioned into the fleet on April 4th, 1949. Compared to her sister, Roanoke had a much less eventful service life, she would have her shake down cruise in the Caribbean and following this she undertook maneuvers in the Atlantic as a unit of the Battleship Cruiser Force and on January 6th, 1950 and got underway to join the 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean for her first extended deployment, she would not return to the United States until May, she would alter between deployments with the 6th fleet with operations in the western Atlantic, she would complete 6 deployments to the Mediterranean by May of 1955 before being transferred to the pacific fleet where she was based off Long Beach, California where she conducted nine Naval Reserve cruises and completed 3 WestPac cruises, the first being from May to December 1956,  the second taking place from September 1957 to March 1958, and the final WestPac cruise taking place from September to October 1958, before decommissioning at the end of October in 1958, she was berthed at Mare Island in 1963 until sold for scrap on February 22nd 1972.

                                                                     

 

Specifications

Displacement:

14,700 long-tons (standard)

17,997 long-tons (fully loaded)

 

Length:

664 ft (202 m) (Water line)

679 ft 6 in (207.11 m) (Over all)

 

Beam: 70 ft .5 in (21.3 m)

 

Draft: 25 ft (7.6 m)

 

Propulsion:

4 × Westinghouse 620 psi boilers

4 × geared steam turbines

4 × screws

125,000 shaft Horsepower

 

Speed: 33 knots (61.1 km/h; 38.0 mph)

 

Range: 8,000 nmi (15,000 km) at 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph)

 

Complement: 1,401 to 1,560 total

 

Sensors and systems:

As built

1 x SR-2 radar

1 x SR-6 radar

1 x SG-6 radar

1 x SP-2 radar

4 x Mark 25 radars

6 x Mark 27 radars

4 x Mark 35 radars

 

1952 Refit

1 x SR-2 radar

1 x SR-6 radar

1 x AN/SPS-8 radar

4 x Mark 25 radars

6 x Mark 27 radars

4 x Mark 35 radars

 

Armament:

As built (Worcester only)

Primary Armament:

12 × 6-inch/47 (152mm) Mark 16DP guns (6 x 2)

(4,836 rounds total; 806 rounds per turret; 403 rounds per gun)

(capable of firing 12 rounds per minute for each gun, the ship would have a fire rate of 144 rpm with a (calculated) reload rate of 5 seconds)

AA Armament:

22 x 3-inch/50 (76mm) Mark 22 guns (10 x 2 Mark 33 Mounts & 2 x 1 Mark 34 Mounts)

12 x 20mm Oerlikon AA Guns (6 x 2) 

 

1952 Refit ( Worcester) / As built  ( Roanoke)

Primary Armament:

12 × 6-inch/47 (152mm) Mark 16DP guns (6 x 2)

(4,836 rounds total; 806 rounds per turret; 403 rounds per gun)

(capable of firing 12 rounds per minute for each gun, the ship would have a fire rate of 144 rpm with a (calculated) reload rate of 5 seconds)

AA Armament:

24 x 3-inch/50 (76mm) Mark 22 guns (11 x 2 Mark 33 Mounts & 2 x 1 Mark 34 Mounts)

 

Armor :

• belt: 3–5 in (76–127 mm)
• deck: 3.5 in (89 mm) (max)
• turrets: 2–6.5 in (51–165 mm)
• barbettes: 5 in (127 mm)
• conning tower: 4.5 in (114 mm)

 

Other suggestion(s):

 

Sources:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester-class_cruiser

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Worcester_(CL-144)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Roanoke_(CL-145)

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Worcester-class_cruiser

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/USS_Worcester_(CL-144)

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/USS_Roanoke_(CL-145)

https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/10/warships-of-past-worcester-class-anti.html

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=181706

https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/american-cruisers

https://www.navypedia.org/ships/usa/us_cr_worcester.htm

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-47DP_mk16.php

Image Sources:

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https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/10/warships-of-past-worcester-class-anti.html

https://world-war-2.wikia.org/wiki/Worcester-class_light_cruiser

http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/145/04145.htm

http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/144/04144.htm

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by de Radio Demon@live

[Princess_Pinch 5,625]

Open for discussion. o7

[Deathbringer007 118]

Finally someone suggested the Worcester.

 

+1

[Milocat 4,848]

+1 for sure, would love to get this.

[ZackZooter 55]

With this new BR cap limit... this ship would be far more deadlier than Cleveland post war refit since its main guns can be aimed at high-altitude bomber which gives them creep of closing it on altitude lower than 2.5km....

 

While Cleveland post-war refit are quite good, its AA refit are not as good as limited use of 3inch/70" caliber as these guns can fire quite good compared to its /50" caliber one even on HEVT shell usage... its DPM & muzzle velocity are slower than PR159 level of 3inch AA gun... 

 

This ship would be BEST added at BR 6.0 along with current Brooklyn, Baltimore & Pittsburgh (Maybe Des Moines cruiser if it were added as USA's squadron vehicle's heavy cruiser, any of it as final BR 6.0 US cruisers...) Worchester & Des Moines are basically the last all-gun cruisers of US Navy while Forrest Sherman-class were the last all-gun Destroyers although it have conversion later on...

 

((Cruiser BR cap limit should stay at BR 6.0 HIGHEST while lowest are BR 4.7))... a few example of lowest BR US cruisers should be USS Trenton & USS Northampton (CLC-1 not the heavy cruiser one) (( Maybe if Gaijin are willing to change this ship name into other one equivalent to its refit))

 

By the way. talking about squadron vehicle on US part, i would LOVE to see USS Hull (Forrest Sherman-class with 8inch guns experimental at BR 4.7), USS Juneau (CL-119 lead ship, not Atlanta-class to be confused here at BR 5.3 as US CL squadron vehicle)

 

Hopefully that each nation that have navy would gain 1 each of those ship type in Squadron Vehicle in the future.... 3 Coastal ship (WW2 & post-war including frigate & maybe destroyer escort or minesweeper) & 3 Bluewater ship (1 DD, 1 CL & 1 CA)

 

I won't say anything about Dreadnoughts (WW1 Battleship), Battlecruisers & Super-Dreadnought (WW2 Battleship) part YET since i don't have even one of it YET...

Edited October 18, 2021 by ZackZooter
Forgot important parts & then some addition

[Shoukaku_CarDiv5 86]

I think that this ship will be too unbalanced in the current War Thunder battles on small maps. So not at the moment. Maybe in the future.

[ZackZooter 55]

On 31/01/2022 at 06:00, Navy_Hunter said:

I think that this ship will be too unbalanced in the current War Thunder battles on small maps

That's one of the reason why i said this ship SHOULD placed at BR 6.0 like Brooklyn since its up-armored & up-gunned post-war Atlanta version, Juneau-class and its overall capability would kill any plane that's not at least 900kph with great turn rate & climb rate..

 

Also its main guns would also kill almost non-Hipper level armor cruiser in short work as it 6inch guns were mark 16DP guns which basically the last of its kind too...

Its secondaries already in game which basically present on USS Mitscher & USS Pittsburgh..

 

HOWEVER, Gaijin also should adds its APHE for its 3inch/50 caliber for DD & cruiser too as Asheville use similar kind of weaponry despite some minor difference that comes in handy when facing low-rank and non-armored Destroyer most of the time

 

Can't say much about 20mm Oerlikon since there's no definite source that can support it, so either having it or not doesn't make much different than Atlanta-class w/out its torpedo & AA armament at least...

 

BUT IF it can be validified about it, then it basically Super AA Cruiser version of Mitscher design to say, because Mitscher have 3inch/50 and twin 20mm guns as well with main guns only different and having FIXED torpedoes and anti-sub weapon alpha... 

[GusVanHook 64]

BR 6.0 works for this Cruiser. I am for it being a squadron vehicle as well. It would make a great second vehicle spawn after a BB. Kinda downer the 3"/70 Mk 37s aren't standard as found on USS Wilkinson, but meh.

 

As we get into Rank 6 and higher BR then 6.7, we'll need better AA defenses to combat more jets being able to join high tier naval.

 

Gus

 

 

[ZackZooter 55]

28 minutes ago, GusVanHook said:

we'll need better AA defenses to combat more jets being able to join high tier naval.

Luckily early Jets don't have anti-ship missile or guided torpedo under BR 8.0... Still... at BR 6.0 and above, planes, bombers and some early JETS can fly high enough to outmaneuver  most AA guns as currently the best AA gun, 5inch/54 and its predecessor 5inch/38 are not effective enough at altitude over 2.5km... Even 3inch/70 are not good enough despite greater DPM difference...

[de Radio Demon@live 266]

On 31/01/2022 at 20:59, ZackZooter said:

Can't say much about 20mm Oerlikon since there's no definite source that can support it, so either having it or not doesn't make much different than Atlanta-class w/out its torpedo & AA armament at least...

 

BUT IF it can be validified about it, then it basically Super AA Cruiser version of Mitscher design to say, because Mitscher have 3inch/50 and twin 20mm guns as well with main guns only different and having FIXED torpedoes and anti-sub weapon alpha... 

Well I did some looking into the mater since I have been updating a few suggestions, and I am confident that 20mm guns were present however only Worcester had them as Roanoke was completed later and seem to have 24 3 inch guns from the start, but with early images of Worcester and looking for the 20mm gun would be placed from the mockup model of the ship the position of where they would be on the bow are present in her early images, so I think it safe to say that Worcester had them. Also I updated the suggestion so now it includes a more accurate armament listing as well as now including the radar systems, now the as built option is for Worcester only and included the rear 3 inch guns now as images show they were present, also the 1952 refit now counts as 1952 refit for Worcester while being as built for Roanoke however the sensor and systems should still be consistent for the ships.

 

Also I would say these ships are more or less the love child still between a Cleveland and Juneau class (modified Atlanta class design) because it included the 6 inch guns along with a very high fire rate, the Mitscher is really a more powerful version of the USS Norfolk (DL-1) and really was a continuation in evolution of US destroyers 

On 01/02/2022 at 06:12, GusVanHook said:

Kinda downer the 3"/70 Mk 37s aren't standard as found on USS Wilkinson, but meh.

Well despite the performance of the 3 inch/70 being better the system itself was more problematic and took longer to develop and really in practice didn't have that much more advantages, the thing with mount is that the 3-inch/50 gun had a easier development was because it had more to work off from the start than the 3-inch/70 which had less to work with and the final version was introduced in 1956 where it abilities were more limited than when it was conceived. Also the other likely reason why the US navy didn't use the mount more can probably be due to the fact that 3-inch/50 mounts were very good in the fact that they could easily be fitted to older ships in Bofors since the mounts size was basically the same and weight about just as much as 40mm mount which can easily be seen as in the case quad Bofors mounts were replaced a twin 3-inch mount and a twin was replaced by a single mount

Edited February 8, 2022 by de Radio Demon@live

[ZackZooter 55]

3 hours ago, de Radio Demon@live said:

the Mitscher is really a more powerful version of the USS Norfolk (DL-1) and really was a continuation in evolution of US destroyers 

Only against surface ship and average planes that can carry bombs at 2000lb bomb & smaller while having decent fighter capabilities... Norfolk is basically AA mini cruiser since it was built on cruiser-sized ship BUT Destroyer-level firepower...

 

With current gameplay and no anti-submarine weaponry to fight surface ship function like early passive + homing torpedo, ASROC, anti-ship missile + anti-air missile function although NOT before 1970 standard which has limited effectiveness to certain degree BUT it can be double-edged sword which could easily killed the ship itself as it serve as open external ammo rack 9 it almost useless if its radar/sonar or vital instrument got damaged badly or caught on fire before it managed to fire...

 

IF this limited early function got added, some ship would have some BR increased from 0.3 to 1.3 max with existing ship in game..

[GusVanHook 64]

On 01/02/2022 at 10:43, ZackZooter said:

Luckily early Jets don't have anti-ship missile or guided torpedo under BR 8.0... Still... at BR 6.0 and above, planes, bombers and some early JETS can fly high enough to outmaneuver  most AA guns as currently the best AA gun, 5inch/54 and its predecessor 5inch/38 are not effective enough at altitude over 2.5km... Even 3inch/70 are not good enough despite greater DPM difference...

Well that being said, later era Frigates or Corvettes will probably come with some form of early SAMs and probably a Close-In Weapons System. We already have the 12412, wouldn't be that big of a jump if you asked me.

 

Gus

[ZackZooter 55]

On 06/02/2022 at 03:54, GusVanHook said:

later era Frigates or Corvettes will probably come with some form of early SAMs and probably a Close-In Weapons System. We already have the 12412, wouldn't be that big of a jump if you asked me.

 

Which is why i mentioned the limited effectiveness and usefulness of early anti-sub weaponry SO that it wont break the game like that MPK PR12412 patrol boat...

 

Also, PR206 have MANPAD which basically manual-controlled SAM which Gaijin could make it less effective against planes with low heat signature unlike early JETS.. in short of that, in order to use that MANPAD SAM on PR206, Gaijin could limit it's effectiveness to 1km heights and range of 3km for small plane while for BIG bomber could work upto 2km heights and 5km range if those MANPAD directly aimed w/out getting shot off + making it easily fire after lock-on it on few seconds....

 

CIWS, ASROC and Guided torpedo are the part i mostly wanna see in naval.... as for SAM part... Naval require a different gameplay which could balance the system w/out breaking the game... If Gaijin gonna add SAM version on non-radar guided one... better add other ship that have similar function as Saetta which i call it SNIPER in game

On 06/02/2022 at 03:54, GusVanHook said:

We already have the 12412, wouldn't be that big of a jump if you asked me.

That guns might be useless to counter early JETS and high level plane/bomber flying above 3km range.. I bet that 12412 CIWS gun can't auto-aim at German Fritz dropped from above 5km heights and almost can't be seen as CIWS commonly used for ship's self-defense against missile and enemy planes within its effective range WHILE Saetta needed to be aimed directly & skillfully in order to be effective.... 

 

Those function i mentioned was to balance out existing ship that have those ASW firepower which basically just a bit better than RUR-4 Alpha and depth charge mostly (+ USSR mortar found on some MBK)....

[ZackZooter 55]

On 02/02/2022 at 04:00, de Radio Demon@live said:

Well despite the performance of the 3 inch/70 being better the system itself was more problematic and took longer to develop and really in practice didn't have that much more advantages, the thing with mount is that the 3-inch/50 gun had a easier development was because it had more to work off from the start than the 3-inch/70 which had less to work with and the final version was introduced in 1956 where it ablates were more limited than when it was conceived

To note... Since Mitscher got added in game, then its fair to say that USS Norfolk (DL-1) should also be added... 

 

I had suggested that either USS Norfolk (DL-1) in its 1954 would make it Cruiser-sized Mitscher while its 1960 refit would trade off 3inch/50 for its 3inch/70, homing torpedo and ASROC launcher which IF its function got introduced into WT, could bolster its offensive firepower to certain level since its 3inch/70caliber guns are crazily powerful against planes but weak against heavily-armored destroyer and moderate-armored cruiser as it has no AP shell of any kind...

 

In short, 3inch/50 caliber have APHE which are decent against armored ships while 3inch/70caliber are deadly against planes... Downside for 3inch/50 armament is quick jamming (after 20-22 rounds or so) & its DPM while 3inch/70 ammo pool can be quickly exhausted after massive barrage if not carefully used upon...

 

ALSO... either 1954 armament or 1960 refit are fine with me as i want it as squadron vehicle IF USS Hull with its MCLWG 8inch caliber didn't got chosen as Squadron Vehicle...

FYI... Both of it, USS Hull in its 1970 refit and USS Norfolk is what i wanted to see got added in game BUT only 1 can be chosen as Squadron Vehicle, Even as Event Vehicle i've would have it in game instead of selling into market... I don't see it being useful as premium or market-based worth of vehicle as its design and history are quite delicate to me... Honest speaking...

[CokeSpray 7,272]

Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.