US are unplayable for the moment ?

[Namuraptor 59]

Hello,

 

Since the beginning of the event, I have the feeling that my main nation, US, is just unplayable.

When I play US (in arcade, BR4,0 - P47, P51, P63, ...) :

- Hydraulic system is very often destroyed

- In 1 cause out of 3, I just die, without any explanation except "You have been killed by XXX"

- 1 take 1-2 bullets, I die.

 

I have the feeling to fly with paper planes.

I also have the same feeling for my opponent which play US : I hit them 1 time and I kill them direct.

 

I don't have this feeling with my other nations such as Germay and Sweden.

 

Is it normal or does Gaijin perform a ninja-nerf on the US (or other nation such I don't play) since the event ?

 

I also have the feeling that, at least one nation, receive a bonus (and this is not the swedish airplanes) ?

 

thank you

 

 

[anyuser 5,136]

US is is by far the nation with the most undertired planes because it is the nation with the most pilots that are incapable of using the planes.

 

There is no "nerf"...

Because of the event you are just meeting 2 types of pilots more. The very good and the very bad.

[Namuraptor 59]

8 hours ago, anyuser said:

Because of the event you are just meeting 2 types of pilots more. The very good and the very bad.

 

Ok, yes, that's a possible explanation.

 

8 hours ago, anyuser said:

US is is by far the nation with the most undertired planes because it is the nation with the most pilots that are incapable of using the planes.

 

There is no answer in this forum which not imply (or directly say) that I am bad and my opponents are good  I agree with the last statement, not the first. I am not a very good player but I play this nation long enough to note that it's strange to move from a "More or less good" level to the "free frag" level !

 

But seriously, can you "teach" me how to play US planes better ? All tips are good to know, thanks

[CoolJ 1,082]

3 hours ago, Dragonceraptor said:

 

Ok, yes, that's a possible explanation.

 

 

There is no answer in this forum which not imply (or directly say) that I am bad and my opponents are good  I agree with the last statement, not the first. I am not a very good player but I play this nation long enough to note that it's strange to move from a "More or less good" level to the "free frag" level !

 

But seriously, can you "teach" me how to play US planes better ? All tips are good to know, thanks

 

American planes are all about speed and altitude. Certainly the P47. The P-51 is better below 3500m, but you still have to stay really fast and make slashing attacks at the enemy. If they do not die, just keep going. Attack targets and groups of targets that are going slower than you and try to attack down hill. Pay attention to your exit so you are not flying right at the enemy spawn. Look behind you to make sure no one is chasing before you turn or climb. If you are not attacking some one or in an engagement, pick a safe direction and climb. ABC. Always be climbing. Don't just turn around and go right back at the enemy without an advantage. Other than that, It's all about your aim. The Corsair is very good. It is really fast and can even turn in certain situations. Kind of an all rounder. You just have to fly the planes correctly. When you do, they are nearly untouchable. In the case of the P47, completely untouchable. So many people fly them poorly that they are pretty under tiered.

 

If you have discord, PM me your nickname so I can try to give you some training. I don't mind helping out. It's all about understanding what your strengths are and pitting them against the enemies weakness.

[Namuraptor 59]

Hum, it looks like the boom and zoom strategy I use with my p38 or the swedish planes in general.

Honestly, this is not my preferred strategy (I don't fly with p38 or swedish planes a lot) but I will consider that. 

I can try this during the event and see what happens later. Let's try to stop feeding aces and "magic" players

Thanks

[anyuser 5,136]

Well, you "can" strap bombs and rockets on your US planes and use them as (mostly) one shoot guided missiles against groundtargets and after dropping your load you can turn and burn at tree top alt against better turning enemys and die trying with no to 2 kills.

This might help your team win, if you are willing to throw away many planes this way (the amount of groundtargets every player would have to kill is very low) and you will see a positive lions income (if you manage to kill the GTs).

Some US-players do find the GTs to small though and throw their bombs and rockets on bases, something that won't help at all. 

This behavior is one of the reasons so many US-planes are undertired.

The other is just diving to the furball, starting to turn and burn. The fun starts, when there is an F4U with .50 on BR 3 and the one with 20mm on BR 5. Truth is somewhere between, but for sure not 3.0...

 

While it "would" already help, if those maned Missiles won't start to turnfight after using their air to ground weapons but would already plan their escape route in advance, using their high speed, to gain enough separation for gaining enough advantage for aerial attacks.

 

The real option of domination is what CoolJ has explained.

For many planes you can see your US-planes as the Jets of their BR. They are the fastest. And if you stay fast you can pick your targets and kill em with ease. It helps that many US planes are very good at high speed maneuvering, where other planes start to struggle. They can dominate the sky and only a few planes (usually on a higher BR) will be able to challenge them.

F4F and F6F might not the planes suited for doing so and neither the F2F (some of those are very good jack of all trades or turnfighters though). But the pursuit fighters are mostly build for high speed. And that starts already with the P-40.

[Namuraptor 59]

@anyuser Thanks, however, what you describe is how i fly during ground attack and front line missions. I try to play the objectives, and win the battle instead of having the most kills (except the bases).

So it looks that I can do better, in domination for instance, thanks, but well...

Yesterday was not a bad day for me on warthunder, I shot down 2 BR3 US planes (P47 and P63) in a row with (almost) 50 bullets (they exploded in the air), and a bf109 with half the ammo of my p47 (total of 3600 ammo or something like that) never see that before...

[anyuser 5,136]

Well, killing planes will make more XP and Lions.

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

On 20/08/2021 at 09:04, Dragonceraptor said:

Hum, it looks like the boom and zoom strategy I use with my p38 or the swedish planes in general.

Honestly, this is not my preferred strategy (I don't fly with p38 or swedish planes a lot) but I will consider that. 

I can try this during the event and see what happens later. Let's try to stop feeding aces and "magic" players

Thanks

You should take Cool up on his offer, I can certify that he can teach even Klowns how to get better

Edited August 22, 2021 by HochgeborenKlown

[bearteeth 139]

I can totally see, if you played 4.0, having the start of the event coincide with everything going to heck. The level of play at the 4.0 range tends to elevate a bit during an event, and it might be for the best to just bear with it and learn from the new people you're queueing into.

 

Alternatively, the US has the unusual option of running 3.0 T3s with the F4U-1D, F6F-5, and SB2C-1C. Add a few of the strong T2s near that BR like F4U-1A USMC or F4F-4 or A-36 Apache and you've got yourself a seriously brutal lineup.

[Namuraptor 59]

9 hours ago, HochgeborenKlown said:

You should take Cool up on his offer, I can certify that he can teach even Klowns how to get better

 

No, thanks. I appreciate, but I will not lose my time and his time for this, for ingame reason as well as, the most important, real life reason.

I am pretty sure they change something. Maybe not on the US tree... Your plane does not explode suddently 3 times more than yesterday without game reason (And i didn't change the way I play when it happened). This is not the first time they performed modifications in our back. I remember one of them that just force me to stop the game for some days (1-2 weeks) because they increase the probability to be set in fire. The game was just a nightmare, more than 50% of my deaths was because my plane burned to dead, and this change suddently disappear.

 

I take into account your comments to try to play better with that. I think it will be helpfull. So, thank you again.

 

And, yes, this is the summer event... so my worst ennemies are "magic" players, real good players, and Gaijin itself.

 

I just have to keep calm

[f_ritz 24]

How to fly US fighters:

 

stay fast

stay high

don't turn

boom and zoom

don't let anyone get on your 6

if they are on your 6 lead them to teammates, you will not out-dogfight them no matter how hard you try

don't touch the rudder, you will swing uncontrollably

either leave your bombs in the hangar or kill ground targets with them

fires will kill you 95.9% of the time (just deal with it, if you get shot enough to get set on fire you're going to die anyway)

 

Obviously there are exceptions but this ^ is a good starting point

Edited August 22, 2021 by TheVozhd

[DerLachendeMann 506]

US at 4.0 got it all, nowadays I'm mostly playing to do tasks, US is my nation of choice. Only playing other nations because there are no planes left to research in the US tree...

 

If you need air kills, go high, bnz? If you need wins, get those fighter bombers going, US has the best among all nations, these days I barely use bombers or attackers. Get lowish with 1000lb, even lower with 500 and 250lb... you can kill tanks with 100lb bombs, get so low you're almost the same altitude as the tank....

 

It works for me, on my 10 most played US planes, which incidentally are mostly part of my BR 4.0 lineup, I manage a winrate between 74-80%.

 

Important : If you see a spawncamper in a Bf 109 F4 or the likes, do not climb & try to engage, strap on bombs, dive hard, usually they won't follow, they get the air kills, you get the win.

[bigredsnake 29]

On 19/08/2021 at 14:36, anyuser said:

US is is by far the nation with the most undertired planes because it is the nation with the most pilots that are incapable of using the planes.

 

There is no "nerf"...

Because of the event you are just meeting 2 types of pilots more. The very good and the very bad.

 

Play against the Germans on ground....that's the clueless bunch. Russian and the Allies all have a much harder road than they do.  

 

As for US no...the game, even back in the BoS days doesn't set our planes at their actual envelopes.  Our fighters and bombers are meant for high altitudes and honestly unless the Russians liked it they hold firm to our manuals as reference. Needless to say, we'll use the P-51 for example, the plane didn't cruise around low and slow like a Spitfire.  It flew in high and would dive in for what it was doing.  That's pretty much the US way of doing things for everything.  Unless you're in the P-39 BnZ and don't play their games.  

[anyuser 5,136]

On 28/09/2021 at 18:06, bigredsnake said:

Our fighters and bombers are meant for high altitudes

Yeah, except the P-39, P-40, P-63, B-25, B-26, A-20, A-26, everything carrierbased and the P-51A/B models (leaving out stuff that did not fly in WW2 like P-36).

So B-17, B-24, B-29, P-38, P-47, P-51C and higher are left.

While the P-51 was more med to high.

 

On 28/09/2021 at 18:06, bigredsnake said:

Needless to say, we'll use the P-51 for example, the plane didn't cruise around low and slow like a Spitfire.  It flew in high and would dive in for what it was doing.

The P for fighters just means pursuit. The planes where made to protect the USA and with a comparable small air force the planes where intended to be fast with a long flight range.

There is no need to fly very high, but to fly fast... Well, some P-planes are good at turning too. Most often not for a long time though and very often more at higher speeds.

Funny you name the P-51, because most models where not dedicated high altitude fighters but more medium altitude...

 

Not to speak about, that most P-planes where used extensively as fighter bombers at low alt too.

In game you can do this with great success too, if you don't burn all your speed advantage before or after the ground attack but use it to speed away.

 

Edited October 3, 2021 by anyuser

[Namuraptor 59]

Changing the way I play them slightly positively change my results, especially in air domination battles, but, clearly, at the end of the summer event, my planes stopped to be instantly shot down.

Now, I can take some hits, fight back or flee. It was not possible during the event.

Except P61, which is very often instantly-killed by everything (not only my P61... it's so easy to kill it: 2-3 bullets and it is down). But ok, I just remove it from my deck.