I must be confused..

[GenGrant 31]

So just got back into this game. Never really played that much when I first downloaded years ago. I’m now actually enjoying this game however, MM aside, I feel like players really don’t care about the objective. 
 

From my experience, at least on most of my teams, they only care about air targets. The ground targets are second thought. While I don’t feel the need to win all the time it is frustrating when I’m try to help my team win by flying my bomber only to be delivered a crush defeat. All because no one really cares about hitting ground targets. 
 

I get it, your practically bait when going after ground target. But it’s part of the game and it has its purpose. I’m getting to the point of ditching my bombers and just go farm aircraft regardless of the outcome. Seems a little stat-paddy but I’m at my wits end. Why have bombers if in the end you serve no purpose? Just make the game a free-for-all dogfighting game. 
 

/rant

[Namuraptor 59]

I agree this is part of the game, but without a premium account... no. Just no. Most of the time, there is a Yak, or any other russian plane (in low BR, in high BR, there are swedish planes). I just hear "BAM BAM" and it rains pieces of my B25 everywhere on the map before I reach the targets  It's not funny and I lost a plane for nothing. Gunners are, most of the time, useless, when they are not bugged.

 

For ground targets, I use US fighters like P47, P63 and P61 in 4.0 instead of bombers. I can fight back with them.

Or I use IL-2. They are overpowered. Low BR, high rank, powerful guns, reload bombs every 45 s.

 

Good luck !

[GTVADeimos 50]

P47, P63 and the P61 have no rapid bomb reload and against the majority of air vehicles cannot compete in agility or in most cases energy retention and are therefore flying coffins v 109s, Spitfires, Yaks, Ki's or A6 series aircraft to name a few. The IL2 has bombs but they are small and few in number however its armoured and decently armed with cannons but its slowwww and has no sustained turn, climb, energy or agility. Without knowing the BR you are fighting at its difficult to be specific regarding better options however it would appear that you would be happier with either fast and agile dive bombers (i.e. AR2, D4Y3 etc), strike aircraft (i.e. Yak 2 KAAB, PE 3, Me110, Breda 88, A36 etc) or speedy fast climbing medium bombers (Do 17, B 34, PE 2, B18 (Sweden)). Tactically, it is quite possible to bomb soft ground targets from above 7000m with reasonable accuracy and high accuracy at 5000m with dive bombers. There is no need to be flying at 100m to destroy Light Pillboxes, AA, Armoured Cars, Flak or Light Tanks even with as low as 250kg bombs as long as you are not flying UK (that is a whole other discussion, their 500lbs never move from early war GP to later MC type making them slightly above useless). If bombing from altitude against Medium Tanks or Pillboxes heavier bombs are recommended depending on the country flown. Sadly for the UK, only US sourced premium aircraft at low BR get a decently effective bomb for the job in sub 500kgs so the Avenger and DB7 are the only decent options with those payloads outwith the slow if otherwise capable Hampden and awful V-156/Wellingtons which are just target practice for fighters.

 

Just learn to eyeball the bomb lead you need for 7000m+, keep aware of your surroundings and you will generally avoid interception and rack up the soft target kills. Enough to win the game single-handed? No but enough to place well, earn lions and succeed in far more games.

Edited December 2, 2021 by GTVADeimos
typo

[_grampaw_itchee_ 102]

On 01/12/2021 at 18:27, GenGrant said:

Just make the game a free-for-all dogfighting game. 

 

 

Amen brother

 

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

Join an objectives based squad...They advertise all over the place, then you will have like thinkers who go after the GT's...

[DerLachendeMann 506]

On 01/12/2021 at 23:27, GenGrant said:

Just make the game a free-for-all dogfighting game. 

That would be air domination. It's so popular that there are always people quitting before the game even starts..

 

A lot of people really seem to ignore the main objectives, which in my opinion would be ground targets on ground attack maps, and capping airfields on domination maps, with some added ground target bombing, depending on map.

 

I used to play a lot of bombers, though I shifted towards fighter-bombers, P-47, P-51, P-63, P-61... It's good enough to carry the team to victory more often than not.

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

Several things to mention here:

 

After 244 games, you should still be at a battle rating where you can actually single handedly win the game. You just need to learn how.

 

Use chat to mobilize your team. Use a common language for that. Best use chat inherent shortcuts PLUS a personal message. Direct your cowboys towards the enemy ojective players.

 

For low level ground attacks, use attackers. Overall, they are more flexible and maneuverable.

 

 

[PA32Driver 0]

I agree with you. I'm frustrated with the game. I get on a few times throughout the work day, and will play a round or two of Arcade because I don't have a lot of time to spend playing the game. It is frustrating with the defeats because I do try to play balanced and go after the ground targets and also help my bombers out once I switch over to fighters. I need to follow some of the other suggestion and find a squad that is objective based, but as I said, I'm might play 2 or 3 rounds in a day. If I have hours to blow, then I am probably going to go out and fly my real airplane and not spend it playing this game.

[PA32Driver 0]

Was thinking that there is an easy way to fix this and make Arcade a bit more fun for those of us who do like to play it. I typically only play Arcade, as I said, limited time to play the game between work calls, so 15 minutes or so at a time is perfect. I hate to lose every round because everyone wants to dog fight and not go after the objective of the round. What needs to happen is that points / RP be awarded at 1.0x for people who are playing the objective, and points / RP awarded at 0.5x for players refusing to go after the mission objective. In Air Domination, that would be easy to give everyone 1.0x points because simple domination is the mission objective. However, in the other missions, everyone would need to take out at least 1 or 2 ground targets, drop a few bombs on a base, or land on an airfield and take zone in-order to get their points / RP awarded at 1.0x.  Players that simply go out and dog fight are welcome to do that, but their Lions and RP should be diminished and they should be punished for being selfish in their game-play.  I just played a quick round and it was me and one other guy on our team trying to take out ground targets, everyone else just in the scrum. The other team had a plan. We lost in about 4 minutes. That sucks.

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

2 hours ago, PA32Driver said:

I hate to lose every round because everyone wants to dog fight and not go after the objective of the round.

Sorry, but in that case it is also your fault. You can go and win this for your team. You can do this again and again. Just bomb the reds into the stone age... Learn how to do it.

[_grampaw_itchee_ 102]

On 09/12/2021 at 09:22, PA32Driver said:

Was thinking that there is an easy way to fix this and make Arcade a bit more fun for those of us who do like to play it. I typically only play Arcade, as I said, limited time to play the game between work calls, so 15 minutes or so at a time is perfect. I hate to lose every round because everyone wants to dog fight and not go after the objective of the round. What needs to happen is that points / RP be awarded at 1.0x for people who are playing the objective, and points / RP awarded at 0.5x for players refusing to go after the mission objective. In Air Domination, that would be easy to give everyone 1.0x points because simple domination is the mission objective. However, in the other missions, everyone would need to take out at least 1 or 2 ground targets, drop a few bombs on a base, or land on an airfield and take zone in-order to get their points / RP awarded at 1.0x.  Players that simply go out and dog fight are welcome to do that, but their Lions and RP should be diminished and they should be punished for being selfish in their game-play.  I just played a quick round and it was me and one other guy on our team trying to take out ground targets, everyone else just in the scrum. The other team had a plan. We lost in about 4 minutes. That sucks.

So you're saying that someone who likes to only dogfight are not allowed to have fun? Punish players because they don't play the way you want to play? Newsflash, the other team had no plan. In fact, there are NO  teams in Warthunder. Just a loose conglomeration of 16 players aside who each shout mine,mine,mine as they shoot various red or blue targets. Every target counts, even those planes that a pure dogfighter kills. It even says so when you join a battle. Kill enemy planes. Wanna have fun? Play how ever you like, let others play however they like and we can all have fun. You don't need to win to have fun.

[DerLachendeMann 506]

On 13/12/2021 at 17:29, _itchee_ said:

You don't need to win to have fun.

 

More wins equals more dopamine equals more happiness

[Submarine_Moskva 207]

If I'm forced to be up tiered against phantoms and mig 23s in jets with aim 2's I will take the opportunity for getting a win and some eagles via bases or ground units.

When I'm not going head to head, or whatever. Or in a spitfire...
Now ground units are impossible to kill in half the games and if you kill every single one on a map you might pay for the repairs for one aircraft...

 

So yeah, When you have a buccaneer (only fly it as an expression of my masochism) you need to kill 40 aa 10SE each, and 20 pill boxes 100SE each in ground strike currently to justify the repairs.

Try making an early Canberra pay for its repairs...

Would you buy a premium SU or Vatour II with that reward? I wouldn't!

 

When you have premium planes, and premium account, and you are getting above average results and still breaking even that's a problem.
Guess it's flying tier 2's in jets forever just to pay the repairs even thought you already paid for an account... I hate it, but it's the only way to make half these games sustainable.

 

There were as many that loathed maps without objectives. Myself included.

[Barry100 185]

1 hour ago, HUMONGOUS said:

When you have premium planes, and premium account, and you are getting above average results and still breaking even that's a problem.

+1

[Josephs_Piano 7,044]

They are making it air-air by stealth - Ground pounding is much less effective now that they have introduced the ground style damage models for AI ground targets - you don't OHK mobile AA or even vehicles any more - they soak up a lot more damage from both guns and (at least) small bombs.

 

This will make it a shed load harder for newbies without air-air skills to get any advancement

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

Yah but you can farm assists like a boss against AI ground targets now . 

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

Just now, FailBoatCaptain said:

Yah but you can farm assists like a boss against AI ground targets now . 

 

What exactly are you talking about?

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

1 minute ago, Dodo_Dud said:

 

What exactly are you talking about?

If you near miss the tanks or pillboxes and someone kills them you can actually score assists . On AI ground targets 

22 hours ago, HUMONGOUS said:

 

 

When you have premium planes, and premium account, and you are getting above average results and still breaking even that's a problem.

THIS

 

I am an above average winrate player who on the regular is top 2-3 on the team and I am NET LOSING SL right now . 

 

another excrement 'feature' of the game

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

8 hours ago, FailBoatCaptain said:

If you near miss the tanks or pillboxes and someone kills them you can actually score assists . On AI ground targets

 

You could always do that!. But the key question is, do they count for tasks, events etc.

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

14 hours ago, Dodo_Dud said:

 

You could always do that!. But the key question is, do they count for tasks, events etc.

It seems a lot easier now . I am waiting for an assists task to be given to me to test it

Edited December 18, 2021 by FailBoatCaptain

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

@Dodo_Dud I can confirm that you can both Critical Hit and earn assists but this only applies to tanks and armored cars /SPAA not to fixed MG, AAA or bunkers and the critical hits count towards warbonds . 

 

I just scored 12 criticals  the majority of them on tanks and armored cars and they did indeed progress towards the task for criticals 

 

Edit: It's not all maps.  Iron range it worked on .  Burbon Island it worked on. Top Of the World it worked on . the domination maps it didn't . Maybe just ground strike maps ? 

 If the ground units have names like M4 , T34 , M8 etc this works on if the unit is just called heavy medium light SPAA etc it dosen't 

Edited December 25, 2021 by FailBoatCaptain

[DerLachendeMann 506]

On 23/12/2021 at 23:00, FailBoatCaptain said:

@Dodo_Dud I can confirm that you can both Critical Hit and earn assists but this only applies to tanks and armored cars /SPAA not to fixed MG, AAA or bunkers and the critical hits count towards warbonds . 

 

I just scored 12 criticals  the majority of them on tanks and armored cars and they did indeed progress towards the task for criticals 

 

Edit: It's not all maps.  Iron range it worked on .  Burbon Island it worked on. Top Of the World it worked on . the domination maps it didn't . Maybe just ground strike maps ? 

 If the ground units have names like M4 , T34 , M8 etc this works on if the unit is just called heavy medium light SPAA etc it dosen't 

Fromw what I've seen domination maps still use the old ai vehicle models, it won't work on them.

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

10 hours ago, DerLachendeMann said:

Fromw what I've seen domination maps still use the old ai vehicle models, it won't work on them.

yes