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The coastal fleet of the Marine Nationale: proposal


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Hello, this is a simple, basic overview of my ideas for the eventual addition of the coastal branch of the Marine Nationale. Filling in the branches are everything from the first French torpedo boats to the sleek, powerful 1960s era Frigate Commandant Riviere, boasting 3 100mm/55 Modele 1953 rapid fire guns, which puts the Lubeck and Koln to shame.

 

Quick summaries of each ship are below.  The coastal tree has numerous nations, including former colonies with smaller coastal navies. Ships are from France, Djibouti, Yugoslavia, Cote D'Ivoire, and Gabon.

Rank I

VTB-1 (Reserve) - the first French MTB. a standard thornycroft 55ft type, with a single 8.8mm mg and 2 400mm torpedoes off the rear.

VTB-8 (Reserve) - the first home built MTB. The same 400mm torpedoes, but with 2 7.5mm/80 MGs.

P10 Moussa Ali (Djibouti) - A patrol boat built in the mid-80s. It packs a very powerful modern 20mm cannon as well as a 12.7mm.

P778 - small boats built for overseas service, with a single browning.

Sabre - ex-PC1248, another 173ft USN patrol boat.

VP1 - Wooden gun boats with 2 Oerlikon and 2 twin 7.7mm/94 MGs.

Zena (Djibouti) - A small patrol launch with a Browning MG as well as a 7.6mm.

VTB-10 - Effectively identical to VTB-8.

 

Rank II

P-9785 - Small patrol boats with 4 pairs of 12.7mm/90s

VC1 - Small patrol boats armed with Oerlikons.

Amiral Mouchez - A very slow survey vessel armed with a pair of 100mm guns. (1945: + 4 x 1 - 20/70 Oerlikon Mk II/IV, 2 x 1 - 13.2/76, 4 DCT, 2 DCR)

VED101 - a Fairmile B transferred to France.

Aconit (1945) - Legendary French Corvette. Sank 2 U-boats and assisted with several others, + rescued survivors of HMS Harvester. 1x1 4" BL Mk. IX, 2x1 57mm/40 Hotchkiss 6pdr, 2x1 20mm Oerlikon Mk. II

Ударник [Udarnik] - A Yugoslav sub chaser armed with 2 Bofors and built in France.

MTB-96 - The ship of Charles' de Gaulle's son, and an important part of the French 23rd flotilla.

L-990 - it's a 76mm Sherman turret on a barge. *chef's kiss*

Rank III

Patience (Cote D'Ivoire) - A 110ft submarine chaser transferred to Cote D'Ivoire in 1961.

Annamite (1948) - A 900t minesweeper armed with a twin 90mm, single Bofors, and 6 Oerlikon mounts.

Marne - A WW1 era sloop with 4 100mm guns.

Le Gladiateur - A unique, large "offensive minelayer" with two twin 90mm guns plus several light machine guns backing them up.

Bier Hakeim - Formerly the German T11, France recieved this ship after the war. It has a single 105mm aft, as well as a triple torpedo tube and numerous smaller guns.

CH11 (Poland) - A French minesweeper which served under the Polish flag from the armistice until the time it was given to the FNFL.

La Surprise (1949) - A River class corvette armed with a pair of German 105mms.

 

Rank IV

L'Audacieux (Cameroon) - A slow gun boat which wields a pair of 40mm/70 Bofors

General Boulingui (Gabon) - A fast missile boat with a 40mm/70 Bofors and 4 SSMs.

Baccarat - A type 1937 torpedo boat taken over by France after the war. It boasts a second set of torpedo tubes, plus a single 105mm aft.

General Oumar (Gabon) - A fast attack craft armed with an automatic Russian 57mm and a powerful modern French 20mm. 

Bouganville - A colonial aviso armed with 3 single 139mm guns.

Bouclier - A bulky torpedo boat carrying 100mm guns.

La Combattante - A prototype patrol ship which carries Bofors guns and SSMs

Le Fier (sq) - A series of 1000t standard torpedo boats with dual purpose 100mm armament. While they were never completed, the German redesigns were sold to Spain and became the Audaz class.

Rank V

Francis Garnier - A former Italian colonial sloop, transferred to France postwar.

L'Alsacien (1960) - Armed with a pair of powerful 57mm Bofors twin guns, these postwar escorts also carried 4 triple torpedo tubes for anti-surface and anti submarine torpedoes as well as a 305mm ASW rocket launcher.

Le Corse - Part of the E50 program, these ships were purpose built convoy escorts featuring 3 twin 57mm funs as well as numerous torpedoes and anti-submarine weapons.

Le Normand - A successor to the E50 program, the E52 series improved the arcs of fire for its weaponry and relocated the torpedo armament.

Commandant Rivierre - A combination aviso and convoy escort, this series carried 3 automatic 100mm guns as well as brand new 30mm mount plus torpedo tubes and a 305mm ASW rocket launcher.

 

 

 

 

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it's not a bad start but if you give me the permission, here is some points to have a better result closer to historical reallity and gameplay requirement :


 

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  On 15/03/2022 at 10:22, Abaddon75 said:

it's not a bad start but if you give me the permission, here is some points to have a better result closer to historical reallity and gameplay requirement :


 

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My personal issue with including Combattante as a Saetta equivalent is that as far as I know, Combattante carried the L/60 Bofors mounts instead of the L/70 on the Saetta. and yeah, looking back at this now I definitely would make some small edits, including moving the 20mm/90 armed boats up a fair bit due to the power of that gun.

 

At the end of the day, this is more of a basic outline of what i'd like to see, as well as something to hopefully start a discussion on the eventual addition of the Marine Nationale.

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  On 15/03/2022 at 15:04, Kingpin61 said:

My personal issue with including Combattante as a Saetta equivalent is that as far as I know, Combattante carried the L/60 Bofors mounts instead of the L/70 on the Saetta. and yeah, looking back at this now I definitely would make some small edits, including moving the 20mm/90 armed boats up a fair bit due to the power of that gun.

 

At the end of the day, this is more of a basic outline of what i'd like to see, as well as something to hopefully start a discussion on the eventual addition of the Marine Nationale.

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Ah yeah I always forgot they used L/70, that's why I also talk of braket, imo they are still better than straight PT boat using 2xL/60 and a **** tone of .50cal found at 3.0/3.3, so they could be between 3.7/4.3

The 20mm/90 would be good, but probably not as good as gatling 20mm, but I don't see any ships that only have that gun in your tree

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  On 14/03/2022 at 23:30, Kingpin61 said:

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Hello, this is a simple, basic overview of my ideas for the eventual addition of the coastal branch of the Marine Nationale. Filling in the branches are everything from the first French torpedo boats to the sleek, powerful 1960s era Frigate Commandant Riviere, boasting 3 100mm/55 Modele 1953 rapid fire guns, which puts the Lubeck and Koln to shame.

 

Quick summaries of each ship are below.  The coastal tree has numerous nations, including former colonies with smaller coastal navies. Ships are from France, Djibouti, Yugoslavia, Cote D'Ivoire, and Gabon.

Rank I

VTB-1 (Reserve) - the first French MTB. a standard thornycroft 55ft type, with a single 8.8mm mg and 2 400mm torpedoes off the rear.

VTB-8 (Reserve) - the first home built MTB. The same 400mm torpedoes, but with 2 7.5mm/80 MGs.

P10 Moussa Ali (Djibouti) - A patrol boat built in the mid-80s. It packs a very powerful modern 20mm cannon as well as a 12.7mm.

P778 - small boats built for overseas service, with a single browning.

Sabre - ex-PC1248, another 173ft USN patrol boat.

VP1 - Wooden gun boats with 2 Oerlikon and 2 twin 7.7mm/94 MGs.

Zena (Djibouti) - A small patrol launch with a Browning MG as well as a 7.6mm.

VTB-10 - Effectively identical to VTB-8.

 

Rank II

P-9785 - Small patrol boats with 4 pairs of 12.7mm/90s

VC1 - Small patrol boats armed with Oerlikons.

Amiral Mouchez - A very slow survey vessel armed with a pair of 100mm guns. (1945: + 4 x 1 - 20/70 Oerlikon Mk II/IV, 2 x 1 - 13.2/76, 4 DCT, 2 DCR)

VED101 - a Fairmile B transferred to France.

Aconit (1945) - Legendary French Corvette. Sank 2 U-boats and assisted with several others, + rescued survivors of HMS Harvester. 1x1 4" BL Mk. IX, 2x1 57mm/40 Hotchkiss 6pdr, 2x1 20mm Oerlikon Mk. II

Ударник [Udarnik] - A Yugoslav sub chaser armed with 2 Bofors and built in France.

MTB-96 - The ship of Charles' de Gaulle's son, and an important part of the French 23rd flotilla.

L-990 - it's a 76mm Sherman turret on a barge. *chef's kiss*

Rank III

Patience (Cote D'Ivoire) - A 110ft submarine chaser transferred to Cote D'Ivoire in 1961.

Annamite (1948) - A 900t minesweeper armed with a twin 90mm, single Bofors, and 6 Oerlikon mounts.

Marne - A WW1 era sloop with 4 100mm guns.

Le Gladiateur - A unique, large "offensive minelayer" with two twin 90mm guns plus several light machine guns backing them up.

Bier Hakeim - Formerly the German T11, France recieved this ship after the war. It has a single 105mm aft, as well as a triple torpedo tube and numerous smaller guns.

CH11 (Poland) - A French minesweeper which served under the Polish flag from the armistice until the time it was given to the FNFL.

La Surprise (1949) - A River class corvette armed with a pair of German 105mms.

 

Rank IV

L'Audacieux (Cameroon) - A slow gun boat which wields a pair of 40mm/70 Bofors

General Boulingui (Gabon) - A fast missile boat with a 40mm/70 Bofors and 4 SSMs.

Baccarat - A type 1937 torpedo boat taken over by France after the war. It boasts a second set of torpedo tubes, plus a single 105mm aft.

General Oumar (Gabon) - A fast attack craft armed with an automatic Russian 57mm and a powerful modern French 20mm. 

Bouganville - A colonial aviso armed with 3 single 139mm guns.

Bouclier - A bulky torpedo boat carrying 100mm guns.

La Combattante - A prototype patrol ship which carries Bofors guns and SSMs

Le Fier (sq) - A series of 1000t standard torpedo boats with dual purpose 100mm armament. While they were never completed, the German redesigns were sold to Spain and became the Audaz class.

Rank V

Francis Garnier - A former Italian colonial sloop, transferred to France postwar.

L'Alsacien (1960) - Armed with a pair of powerful 57mm Bofors twin guns, these postwar escorts also carried 4 triple torpedo tubes for anti-surface and anti submarine torpedoes as well as a 305mm ASW rocket launcher.

Le Corse - Part of the E50 program, these ships were purpose built convoy escorts featuring 3 twin 57mm funs as well as numerous torpedoes and anti-submarine weapons.

Le Normand - A successor to the E50 program, the E52 series improved the arcs of fire for its weaponry and relocated the torpedo armament.

Commandant Rivierre - A combination aviso and convoy escort, this series carried 3 automatic 100mm guns as well as brand new 30mm mount plus torpedo tubes and a 305mm ASW rocket launcher.

 

 

 

 

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Hello  i am french.  I have seen some errors in the names of the ships which do not correspond to French or are incorrect names or even English versions of the original name.

here are my French corrections.

Bier Hakim => Bir Hakeim 

Bir Hakeim — Wikipédia (wikipedia.org)

Poland => Pologne  ( Poland its in english not french ) , polish => polonais

Bouganville  => Bougainville ( french amiral )

Bougainville (aviso) — Wikipédia (wikipedia.org)

commandant Rivierre =>  Commandant Rivière 

Commandant Rivière-class frigate - Wikipedia

just little french correction , but good work.  i hope one day i see  my country  navy  in game. thank   ( merci )

 

 

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