Why is mig 21F-13 8.7?

[HEP_Aragorn 32]

Don't say "statics", if people are bad playing it, don't means everyone is bad with it, just cause it has 60 rounds only.

 

The mig 21 card (without even upgrading anything is)

Speed 2212km/h

Climb  98m/s

 

It has 2 missiles or 2 bombs (total 400kg tnt damage).

 

No plane(not premium) at this rating can beat his climb/speed, don't matter the turning, as he don't need to dogfight no one, just boom n zoon, or missile on those climbing... even if someone could be higher than him, no one at his BR could go up to 2200km/h and there is players that quit every round that he is not match with 7.3 to 8.3 (reducing his BR by playing with only 1 plane)

 

Others nations  best 8.7 (or closest): 

America: F82F2 9.0, 1095 speed, 38 climb, NO MISSILES

 

Germany: F84F 8.7, 1090 speed, 37 climb, NO MISSILES

Russia: Mig 15 BIS, 8.7, 1060 speed, 41 climb, NO MISSILES

England: Swift 8,7, 980 speed, 15 climb (what a joke), missiles

Japan: Ki-200 9.0, 1000 speed, 58 climb, NO MISSILES (fully upgraded)

China: J-2 (Mig 15), 8.7, 1060 speed, 41 climb, NO MISSILES

Italy: Saggitario 2 8.7, 1085 speed, 54 climb, NO MISSILES (fully upgrades)

France: MD 452 8.7, 1040 speed, 39 climb, NO MISSILES (half upgraded)

Sweden: SAAD 105G 8.7, 936 speed, 35 climb, NO MISSILES

Isreal: Mistery, 9.0, 1073 speed, 27 climb, NO MISSILES

 

It's easy to see, all the other nations average are 1000 speed, 35 climb, NO MISSILES. That MIG is a beast at this level, no 8.7 in any country could counter its speed/climb, no one country could go to fast and climb to well before 10.7 and that beast is just 8.7? There is no way, even as bomber, it will be a impossible to catch bomber.

 

Even with few bullets, to play it bombing or launching missiles while climbing is easy for all players, it's like Ki-200 and Me-163, they are "low battle ranking" just cause they have few ammo/guns, but they are too letal on the hands of a pro.

 

[VT_88 342]

When it comes to Jets, Gaijin needs to base BR on Speed not armaments'.

 

Try playing 6.7 to 7.7 where you are always up tiered by fast moving jets that you can not engage.

 

 

[anyuser 5,136]

On 07/07/2022 at 01:13, HEP_Aragorn said:

Don't say "statics", if people are bad playing it, don't means everyone is bad with it, just cause it has 60 rounds only.

 

The mig 21 card (without even upgrading anything is)

Speed 2212km/h

Climb  98m/s

 

It has 2 missiles or 2 bombs (total 400kg tnt damage).

 

No plane(not premium) at this rating can beat his climb/speed, don't matter the turning, as he don't need to dogfight no one, just boom n zoon, or missile on those climbing... even if someone could be higher than him, no one at his BR could go up to 2200km/h and there is players that quit every round that he is not match with 7.3 to 8.3 (reducing his BR by playing with only 1 plane)

 

Others nations  best 8.7 (or closest): 

America: F82F2 9.0, 1095 speed, 38 climb, NO MISSILES

 

Germany: F84F 8.7, 1090 speed, 37 climb, NO MISSILES

Russia: Mig 15 BIS, 8.7, 1060 speed, 41 climb, NO MISSILES

England: Swift 8,7, 980 speed, 15 climb (what a joke), missiles

Japan: Ki-200 9.0, 1000 speed, 58 climb, NO MISSILES (fully upgraded)

China: J-2 (Mig 15), 8.7, 1060 speed, 41 climb, NO MISSILES

Italy: Saggitario 2 8.7, 1085 speed, 54 climb, NO MISSILES (fully upgrades)

France: MD 452 8.7, 1040 speed, 39 climb, NO MISSILES (half upgraded)

Sweden: SAAD 105G 8.7, 936 speed, 35 climb, NO MISSILES

Isreal: Mistery, 9.0, 1073 speed, 27 climb, NO MISSILES

 

It's easy to see, all the other nations average are 1000 speed, 35 climb, NO MISSILES. That MIG is a beast at this level, no 8.7 in any country could counter its speed/climb, no one country could go to fast and climb to well before 10.7 and that beast is just 8.7? There is no way, even as bomber, it will be a impossible to catch bomber.

 

Even with few bullets, to play it bombing or launching missiles while climbing is easy for all players, it's like Ki-200 and Me-163, they are "low battle ranking" just cause they have few ammo/guns, but they are too letal on the hands of a pro.

 

Well, it is statistics, but statistics you can explain.

First, forget about the early missiles in AB. You might hit a bomber with it, but i might have seen 1 or 2 fighter kills with them. That's it. And I saw a lot people trying to use them. Easy to get out of their seeker.

Second, forget about the top speed in AB. You do need the afterburner for that and for the climb too. Afterburner in AB is WEP. WEP is limited and got a cooldown. Because of that the Topspeed in AB is more of a theoretical thing for stuff with an afterburner. So, the true speed of the Mig is much closer to the planes you named.

Add the gun-tax (or the social care for planes with bad guns) and the turn-tax to the equitation and players who love to turnfight and well, there you are.

Not to speak planes, that are not able to get their gun on target...

And some planes you named got an attacker tax too.

 

Not saying that the BR of the Mig is ok, or the BR of some of the other planes.

But when it is one of the BR ranges, that would need a much broader BR range the most I would say.

[HEP_Aragorn 32]

On 16/07/2022 at 16:12, anyuser said:

Well, it is statistics, but statistics you can explain.

First, forget about the early missiles in AB. You might hit a bomber with it, but i might have seen 1 or 2 fighter kills with them. That's it. And I saw a lot people trying to use them. Easy to get out of their seeker.

Second, forget about the top speed in AB. You do need the afterburner for that and for the climb too. Afterburner in AB is WEP. WEP is limited and got a cooldown. Because of that the Topspeed in AB is more of a theoretical thing for stuff with an afterburner. So, the true speed of the Mig is much closer to the planes you named.

Add the gun-tax (or the social care for planes with bad guns) and the turn-tax to the equitation and players who love to turnfight and well, there you are.

Not to speak planes, that are not able to get their gun on target...

And some planes you named got an attacker tax too.

 

Not saying that the BR of the Mig is ok, or the BR of some of the other planes.

But when it is one of the BR ranges, that would need a much broader BR range the most I would say.

Yes, you won't be at 2200 in a straight line 99% of the time, but you can reach it on a dive, you can maintain part of it after the dive. The same about speed applies to jets, they can have 1100 speed, but most of the time they are at 400-700.

 

The migs still climb 3-10 times more than many of his enemies.

 

You said that missiles are bad on that BR... well, most of then are, but the mig missile may be the best of this BR(there's only a english missile that comes close), they can lock and fire missiles from any angle, including targets in your front, their enemies can lock enemies only from behind. The F-86 can only track a old bomber like Tu-2 at 1km range, it needs to be behind a jet and it needs to be in a straight line to lock and hit.

 

A Mig 21 at 8.7 facing 7.7 enemies it the same as a F86-F40 at 5.0, no one will climb like it, no one will be fast as it(you could say, hey but the Sabre usually are at 700km/h fighters at this BR could reach that speed) and , they will have the missile advantage(but its a bad missile, right) and a "bad gun" too, and like the mig, it will die only if try to turn fight people...

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

the funmy one is the Ki-84 Hei  is 7.7  

 

So you fly your late WW2 japanese bomber interceptor and you meet a mach 2 missile armed cold war fighter 

 

Balanced gameplay at it's finest

[AmigaForever 97]

On 07/07/2022 at 02:13, HEP_Aragorn said:

 

 

nvm post, was about BR

Edited September 14, 2022 by AmigaForever

[HEP_Aragorn 32]

On 13/09/2022 at 17:29, FailBoatCaptain said:

the funmy one is the Ki-84 Hei  is 7.7  

 

So you fly your late WW2 japanese bomber interceptor and you meet a mach 2 missile armed cold war fighter 

 

Balanced gameplay at it's finest

Sometimes I do posts about overpowered planes that broke their BR, everyone plays it and kind breaks the game and make it unfair, it makes the game too boring at some BR's (BF 109 own the air for almost a decade and a small BR change only decreased the problem, never solved. KI 200 going from 8.0 to 9.0 was fair, but me 163 at 8.0 is still overpowered).

 

I already did a post with planes that perform poorly. By far, the japoneses planes are the most overstimed and prejudicated by BR.

 

My personal opinion about this matter is, there are just a few people that play a lot japan, most of players change countries and it makes japan having some of the best players and as they planes are bad for their BR, they usually play the best japonese planes and as they still make a great K/D (would do the same on every country, as they are great pilots), gaijin algorithm put then everytime on higher BR. Ki-87 should be at 6.7 max, but at 7.7 the few that have courage playing it, still do great scores (maybe even better than on 6.7, as they became kings in turning, just need patience to climb) and I don't doubt gaijin putin then on 9.0 one day... sadly. The planes that suffer even more than Ki-87 are the bombers, all nations (even the might Tu-4, they increased its BR as they killed a lot on lower BR but they do the same at higher BR's, now they are hunted by missiles, zero chances of bombing), the japoneses bombers are the sadiest situation. They have like 80% less bombing power, it's too sad, they need to be played weeks more to level up than the others, they are less usefull in battles, they burn like paper (99% of japoneses planes too), they have almost no turrets, they don't have armor, few bombs... just a little speed and climb... gaijin put the fighters almost on the same altitude than bombers, gaijin don't like bombers... I feel bad for then (they should put then at 6km altitude, just decrease bomb price, bombing awards and xp, they would at least be able to drop some bombs before dying. Or decrease their BR, maybe their turrets could kill some body, they shouldn't be free kills)

Edited September 19, 2022 by HEP_Aragorn