Can you keep WMA301 and PTL02 at 8.3

[MTF_10086 95]

At 8.3, WMA301 and PTL02 are quite powerful, but they also have fatal defects that are hard to ignore.
For example:
1. - 4, which makes it difficult for you to aim at the enemy and kowtow when you stop in a hurry.
2. - 7km reversing makes you unable to retreat when you encounter the enemy.
3. Very fragile and tall car bodies, whether 7.62 or. 50, can be easily killed, and you can hardly hide yourself.
4. The steering plane is relatively slow compared with other wheeled combat vehicles.

As a Chinese player, I really hope that WMA301 and PTL02 can stay at the 8.3 weight. 8.7 weight will lead to a huge number of T72AV, T72B, BMP2M and PUMA, which may only be matched to 9.7 weight in this lifetime. This will be a huge blow to the 8.3 queue in China.

[FangCun 21]

The reasons why PTL02&WMA301 is not suitable for 8.7:

1. They do not have enough excellent mobility in 8.7, and their reverse speed makes it difficult for them to retreat from the battle.

2. Their protection is too weak, and even PTL02 cannot resist. 50 caliber machine guns in front, which greatly reduces their survivability.

3. PTL02&WMA301 is very large, It makes them difficult to avoid, and the ammunition stored at the rear of the car body makes them very vulnerable to martyrdom explosion.

4. The depression angle of PTL02&EMA301 is only - 4 °, which greatly weakens the adaptability of PTL02&WMA301 to the terrain

[zjylq 1]

i don't agree that wma301 and ptl02 raise to 8.7. the gun depression and reverse speedmake it hard to play, and it can easily destroyed by 12.7gun 

[Jεcka 4,618]

Most sane chinese mains.

[_Zekken 714]

No. 

 

I've read a fair few comments from players arguing that the WMA301 and the PTL02 are not worth 8.7 and should stay at 8.3. some people have compared them to other tanks at 8.3, but many have compared them to completely different classes of vehicles. So I have complied a list comparing all similarly BR'd Wheeled AT gun equipped AFVs. 

 

 

So, here is the list with the mostly relevant stats.

 

The WMA and PTL02 get the worst reverse speed and a bit worse general gun depression compared to the rest of the list that is true. 

 

In return the WMA and PTL02 get good optics and Gen 2 thermals when most of the competition at 8.7 only gets gen 1 thermals. the PTL02 gets an equivalent round, and while the WMA has a worse round it *also* gets a 750mm pen Tandem ATGM, which is also actually better than pretty much all other IFV carried ATGMs in the BR range. 

 

The rest of the stats are all pretty much equivalent across the board with all other 8.7 or even 9.0 vehicles. These vehicles are generally also all similarly large to the WMA/PTL. 

 

In a realistic sense, most of these vehicles perform similarly and can be countered similarly. the PTL02 and WMA301 are equivalent to or slightly better than all of the 8.7 AFVs except *maybe* the Gen 3 thermal equipped Type 16(P). 

 

When comparing to their peers, there is not one single reason either of those vehicles deserves to be a lower BR than 8.7. Heck, I will gladly admit that I am a Japan main and having recently been grinding both the Type 16s which are completely disgusting at 8.7. Any thermals better than Gen 1 honestly do not belong below 9.0. (Weisel 1A4 not included) 

 

TLDR: BR increase is justified and they've been far too low for far too long. 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by _Zekken

[WNxDavid990 166]

If the Rooikat 105 was fine at 8.7 then i'm sure the PTL and WMA will both be fine at 8.7

[haos9 1,491]

People defending the WMA301 and PTL02 are absolutely delusional. They need to be moved at 9.0 IMMEDIATELY. 
 

People keep complaining about their lack of armor, so, should we move all vehicles that can get penned by .50 cals and MG's at 1.0  just because their armor is weak?

 

So what if they have poor gun depression, all russian tanks have  the same issue, should we move all of them down just because they have bad gun depression?

 

They're big. Yeah, so what? Do we need to talk about how many downtiers they see? What can other tanks do against a mobile, wheeled vehicle capable of flanking the entire map, positioning itself and just scouting with GEN2 THERMALS and a laser freaking rangefinder, if you play them right, you have no excuse, nukes would fly all over the map.

 

STOP defending these blatantly overpowered vehicles that you like to play. They NEED to be  moved up to AT LEAST 9.0 where they belong.

 

Baffles the mind that people are defending these with so much passion.

Edited February 18, 2023 by haos9
Added on more line.

[不是很能抗压 1,265]

15 hours ago, haos9 said:

People defending the WMA301 and PTL02 are absolutely delusional. They need to be moved at 9.0 IMMEDIATELY. 
 

People keep complaining about their lack of armor, so, should we move all vehicles that can get penned by .50 cals and MG's at 1.0  just because their armor is weak?

 

So what if they have poor gun depression, all russian tanks have  the same issue, should we move all of them down just because they have bad gun depression?

 

They're big. Yeah, so what? Do we need to talk about how many downtiers they see? What can other tanks do against a mobile, wheeled vehicle capable of flanking the entire map, positioning itself and just scouting with GEN2 THERMALS and a laser freaking rangefinder, if you play them right, you have no excuse, nukes would fly all over the map.

 

STOP defending these blatantly overpowered vehicles that you like to play. They NEED to be  moved up to AT LEAST 9.0 where they belong.

 

Baffles the mind that people are defending these with so much passion.

Skill issue

[haos9 1,491]

On 19/02/2023 at 07:37, Zero_Seeker said:

Skill issue

Seriously? sKiLl iSsUe again ? is that all you people know? how blind are you to the fact that these two vehicles are blatantly undertiered?

[Azinfriit 663]

Since the lauch of the Chinese helis, people have been pairing the WMA301 with the Z-11WA(8.7), so what's the matter? Basically nothing changes.

[Kallu609 8]

17 hours ago, Azinfriit said:

Since the lauch of the Chinese helis, people have been pairing the WMA301 with the Z-11WA(8.7), so what's the matter? Basically nothing changes.

Z-11 is simply not worth using, the HJ8A is an awful missile (actually worse than TOW, straight up embarrassing) and you get only 4 of them at best so you end up constantly landing to reload. China players will quite often use P47 up to 9.0 since it can destroy anything and unlocking rank 5 aircraft takes ages. The only reason to be at 8.7 with china is AFT09 (and WMA301 if you do like paying to win), everything else in 8.7 is either trash or mediocre

[Azinfriit 663]

57 minutes ago, Kallu609 said:

Z-11 is simply not worth using, the HJ8A is an awful missile (actually worse than TOW, straight up embarrassing) and you get only 4 of them at best so you end up constantly landing to reload. China players will quite often use P47 up to 9.0 since it can destroy anything and unlocking rank 5 aircraft takes ages. The only reason to be at 8.7 with china is AFT09 (and WMA301 if you do like paying to win), everything else in 8.7 is either trash or mediocre

 

For me it's the opposite, the Z-11 is a very effective heli for it's tier.

Doesn't matter if the ATGMs are worse in comparison, they are enough to kill. Also, do I have to remind you that this heli have sights comparable to top tier helicopters?

And if you excuse me, I took a look at your stats and I can't help but notice that when you mention "China players" you're talking about your own personal experience.

[warner7 81]

On 28/03/2023 at 20:46, Kallu609 said:

 everything else in 8.7 is either trash or mediocre

Seems like you forgot the Type 88A

[Kallu609 8]

On 28/03/2023 at 14:20, Azinfriit said:

 

For me it's the opposite, the Z-11 is a very effective heli for it's tier.

Doesn't matter if the ATGMs are worse in comparison, they are enough to kill. Also, do I have to remind you that this heli have sights comparable to top tier helicopters?

And if you excuse me, I took a look at your stats and I can't help but notice that when you mention "China players" you're talking about your own personal experience.

Compared to other helicopters available at it's tier, there really isn't much else to say that the sight is decent and the copter moves decently fast, though that only comes to play if you happen to use the "safe" heli spawn. The sight is definitely not comparable to higher tier helicopters, not even close but it does do it's job and would actually be great if your range was somewhere around 5-7km... but currently it is possible to use the missile without even zooming since at 3km range your targets are quite visible.

And yes, I am speaking from personal experience. I will always have the other china players in my team, I can see their choice of vehicle and performance at all times and quite often how they use them as well. The most common chinese aircraft at 7.0~9.0 range are P47, Z11 and F84.

5 hours ago, warner7 said:

Seems like you forgot the Type 88A

Well 88A is functional, but I'd say it is average at best. Compared to other 8.7 tanks it is not bad, but does it do anything better than them while having the common chinese weaknesses and no secondary weapons or thermals

[Nuckerball 275]

On 01/04/2023 at 13:36, Kallu609 said:

Compared to other helicopters available at it's tier, there really isn't much else to say that the sight is decent and the copter moves decently fast, though that only comes to play if you happen to use the "safe" heli spawn. The sight is definitely not comparable to higher tier helicopters, not even close but it does do it's job and would actually be great if your range was somewhere around 5-7km... but currently it is possible to use the missile without even zooming since at 3km range your targets are quite visible.

And yes, I am speaking from personal experience. I will always have the other china players in my team, I can see their choice of vehicle and performance at all times and quite often how they use them as well. The most common chinese aircraft at 7.0~9.0 range are P47, Z11 and F84.

Well 88A is functional, but I'd say it is average at best. Compared to other 8.7 tanks it is not bad, but does it do anything better than them while having the common chinese weaknesses and no secondary weapons or thermals

Yup regarding the z11, its an 8.3 heli sitting at 8.7 exclusively because of the thermals which leaves you with woefully underwhelming atgms for 8.7. The low pen and damage I can deal with, its the dreadful 3km range that really puts this heli in a hard position. Even the ss11 at 8.3 has much better pen and range. I still find it to be a good enough vehicle, just expect to die to revenge cas every time, because you have zero defense against any fixed wings, and spaa is useless at 8.7

[BrokenRifle 71]

they are fine at 8.7 honestly.. the only thing they have going for them it is literally the thermal and the dart.. everything else about them is pretty subpar. theres better 8.7 vehicles imo and worse ones. 8.3 was too low and 9.0 will to high as theres better 9.0 wheelie boys such as the Roikat 105, even the japanese 8.7 wheelie boys are better simply because they can actually Reverse and overall is a better gunplatform, only thing worse on the Type 16 FPS and P is the Dart. it also has gen 2 gunner therms(P gets commanders as well). but imo not everything should be about the Dart but the whole package, and package wise the WMA and PTL is rather meh when you look at its gunhandling, and reverse. even how it handles when you drive it. tho i dont think it should go back to 8.3 as i said its fine at 8.7