A-10C Thunderbolt II for Italy

[CapitanSchettino 34]

First of all, we would like to be clear on the reasons for adding the A-10C Thunderbolt II for Italy, whilst there are massive suggestions from players to add the AMX fighter-bomber to the Italian tech tree.

However, at the moment, adding the AMX to the game is not possible due to Gaijins lazy superiority in the quality of coding equipment and far more advanced major Nations whales. At the same time, to date, Italy remained the only gaming nation lacking a good CAS. I hope you support my decision!

https://www.moody.af.mil/News/Features/Display/Article/212495/italian-exchange-pilot-first-to-fly-a-10c-thunderbolt-ii

[IngegnerMacchi 623]

well, if the F(ake)-16AJ is allowed why not! +1

[EruKondoruPasa 16]

With how long they're taking to add a decent CAS sure +1, even tho having the both at some point will be weird

[arpitmkn 2,743]

The F-16AJ was just a proposal, because the Japanese pilots flew the American F-16A with the American colors and roundels, the F-16AJ was just a proposal from the industry that was never produced.

 

in light of this, here a list of a few aircrafts and tank that Italy could get because these were proposed to the Italian armed forces:

A-10A (proposed)

A-10C (proposed and Italian pilots trained on it)

F-4C (Proposed)

F-5C (Proposed)

F-15C (Proposed)

Harrier Gr.3 (proposed and tested landing on Italian ships) 

Mirage 3C (proposed)

F-100A (proposed)

M1A2 (Proposed)

Merkava Mk.4 (proposed)

Chiftain Mk.5 (Proposed)

AMX-30 (Proposed)

Leopard 2A4 (Proposed)

Panther A (Proposed and tested by Italian soldiers)

Me163 (Proposed and tested by Italian pilots) 

[maestrale 7]

since the ITT still lacks proper cas (there's plenty to add but as always.... SoonTM) and since some nations have a "special treatment" unlike italy, i mean why not? It could be a good addition.

Edited February 28, 2023 by maestrale

[zman901 311]

Ever since Gaijin decided to start considering sales pitches and whatever crosses Sweden's border as fair additions, I don't see an issue in adding this into the Italian tech tree.

+1

[Hwkeersv 22]

"First of all, we would like to be clear on the reasons for adding the F-16AJ to the game, whilst there are massive suggestions from players to add the Mitsubishi F-2 fighter-bomber to the Japanese tech tree."

[idiot400 664]

i hope this is satire

[arpitmkn 2,743]

1 minute ago, idiot400 said:

i hope this is satire

I think it is, but to be honest, it isn’t any different than the Swedish Mi-28 and the F-16AJ

[Lord_Prism 1,824]

11 minutes ago, arpitmkn said:

I think it is, but to be honest, it isn’t any different than the Swedish Mi-28 and the F-16AJ

Precisely 

[Danzig A1@live 495]

You know what....... why the heck not, Italy needs some love and gaijin is unwilling to give it its domestic planes anyways so this is the next best thing we can ask for...

[Kingtiez@live 606]

I propose adding vehicles Italy breathed on too.

[S__bastienZ88 635]

43 minutes ago, arpitmkn said:

The F-16AJ was just a proposal, because the Japanese pilots flew the American F-16A with the American colors and roundels, the F-16AJ was just a proposal from the industry that was never produced.

 

in light of this, here a list of a few aircrafts and tank that Italy could get because these were proposed to the Italian armed forces:

A-10A (proposed)

A-10C (proposed and Italian pilots trained on it)

F-4C (Proposed)

F-5C (Proposed)

F-15C (Proposed)

Harrier Gr.3 (proposed and tested landing on Italian ships) 

Mirage 3C (proposed)

F-100A (proposed)

M1A2 (Proposed)

Merkava Mk.4 (proposed)

Chiftain Mk.5 (Proposed)

AMX-30 (Proposed)

Leopard 2A4 (Proposed)

Panther A (Proposed and tested by Italian soldiers)

Me163 (Proposed and tested by Italian pilots) 

 

What about the F-16A Block 10?

 

Italy had 4 of them as spare parts.

 

Coccarde tricolori speciale 7

https://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article10.html

Edited February 28, 2023 by S__bastienZ88

[TheS1up 1,452]

1 hour ago, arpitmkn said:

The F-16AJ was just a proposal, because the Japanese pilots flew the American F-16A with the American colors and roundels, the F-16AJ was just a proposal from the industry that was never produced.

 

in light of this, here a list of a few aircrafts and tank that Italy could get because these were proposed to the Italian armed forces:

A-10A (proposed)

A-10C (proposed and Italian pilots trained on it)

F-4C (Proposed)

F-5C (Proposed)

F-15C (Proposed)

Harrier Gr.3 (proposed and tested landing on Italian ships) 

Mirage 3C (proposed)

F-100A (proposed)

M1A2 (Proposed)

Merkava Mk.4 (proposed)

Chiftain Mk.5 (Proposed)

AMX-30 (Proposed)

Leopard 2A4 (Proposed)

Panther A (Proposed and tested by Italian soldiers)

Me163 (Proposed and tested by Italian pilots) 

I need to know more about this just for personal curiosity (especially the me163)

[汉城战车道 장태완 18]

1 hour ago, Kingtiez@live said:

I propose adding vehicles Italy breathed on too.

Sadly, that is what the Swedes been treated with. Whatever they tested goes.

/s

[PickleJarOfDeath 1,498]

2 hours ago, idiot400 said:

i hope this is satire

Satire or not, it highlights a problem. If it's satire, we can just say, "Ok, but for real, what are some good options to fill the gaps?" If it isn't satire, we can just say, "No, this isn't a good idea because there are these options with more meaningful connections and associations with Italy: [...]."

 

As for unique, currently unimplemented, or indigenous/Italian-involved designs, I've found a select few that would be interesting:

• Panavia Tornado ECR
  • cool SEAD variant
• AMX International A-11 Ghibli
  • codeveloped by Alenia, Aermacchi, and Embraer
    • joint venture under the name of AMX International

• Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

  • originally codeveloped with Yakovlev

    • split development resulted in M-346 and Yak-130

• Aermacchi MB-339

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

• SIAI-Marchetti S.211

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

• McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II

  • not the most unique

  • different armaments from other Harriers

• Lockheed-Martin F-35A/B

  • uhhh... exde

  • a bit too far out

  • let's not encourage the leaking of restricted or classified documents lmao

Please note that some of these aircraft are likely very niche in role (Tornado ECR), very limited in performance/combat capability (M-346, MB-339, S.211), or a bit far ahead in technology compared to the current game (AV-8B, F-35). The A-11 Ghibli feels like a fairly balanced and highly functional option that could fit in the game as it is now while the AV-8B could probably work in a patch or two. The trainer/light attack aircraft would be nice even for filler aircraft with their charming aesthetic, decent performance, and likely placement in early to mid jet battle ratings.

[arpitmkn 2,743]

3 hours ago, TheS1up said:

I need to know more about this just for personal curiosity (especially the me163)

Italian pilots were training on the simulacrum without engine of the ME163 before the capitulation 

[spacesoldier117 876]

On 28/02/2023 at 21:20, PickleJarOfDeath said:

Satire or not, it highlights a problem. If it's satire, we can just say, "Ok, but for real, what are some good options to fill the gaps?" If it isn't satire, we can just say, "No, this isn't a good idea because there are these options with more meaningful connections and associations with Italy: [...]."

 

As for unique, currently unimplemented, or indigenous/Italian-involved designs, I've found a select few that would be interesting:

• Panavia Tornado ECR
  • cool SEAD variant
• AMX International A-11 Ghibli
  • codeveloped by Alenia, Aermacchi, and Embraer
    • joint venture under the name of AMX International

• Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

  • originally codeveloped with Yakovlev

    • split development resulted in M-346 and Yak-130

• Aermacchi MB-339

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

• SIAI-Marchetti S.211

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

• McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II

  • not the most unique

  • different armaments from other Harriers

• Lockheed-Martin F-35A/B

  • uhhh... exde

  • a bit too far out

  • let's not encourage the leaking of restricted or classified documents lmao

Please note that some of these aircraft are likely very niche in role (Tornado ECR), very limited in performance/combat capability (M-346, MB-339, S.211), or a bit far ahead in technology compared to the current game (AV-8B, F-35). The A-11 Ghibli feels like a fairly balanced and highly functional option that could fit in the game as it is now while the AV-8B could probably work in a patch or two. The trainer/light attack aircraft would be nice even for filler aircraft with their charming aesthetic, decent performance, and likely placement in early to mid jet battle ratings.

The Ghibli was fair game since the addition of the Su-25 and the A-10.

[PickleJarOfDeath 1,498]

6 hours ago, spacesoldier117 said:

The Ghibli was fair game since the addition of the Su-25 and the A-10.

Which is why it's so unfortunate that we haven't received it yet.

[GenOfGames07 16]

Why not.

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

If Japan and Sweden can get aircrafts and helicopters that were proposal, I don't see why Italy can't get an A10. Fully Agree! +1

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

On 28/02/2023 at 21:20, PickleJarOfDeath said:

Satire or not, it highlights a problem. If it's satire, we can just say, "Ok, but for real, what are some good options to fill the gaps?" If it isn't satire, we can just say, "No, this isn't a good idea because there are these options with more meaningful connections and associations with Italy: [...]."

 

As for unique, currently unimplemented, or indigenous/Italian-involved designs, I've found a select few that would be interesting:

• Panavia Tornado ECR
  • cool SEAD variant
• AMX International A-11 Ghibli
  • codeveloped by Alenia, Aermacchi, and Embraer
    • joint venture under the name of AMX International

• Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

  • originally codeveloped with Yakovlev

    • split development resulted in M-346 and Yak-130

• Aermacchi MB-339

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

• SIAI-Marchetti S.211

  • trainer/light attack aircraft

• McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II

  • not the most unique

  • different armaments from other Harriers

• Lockheed-Martin F-35A/B

  • uhhh... exde

  • a bit too far out

  • let's not encourage the leaking of restricted or classified documents lmao

Please note that some of these aircraft are likely very niche in role (Tornado ECR), very limited in performance/combat capability (M-346, MB-339, S.211), or a bit far ahead in technology compared to the current game (AV-8B, F-35). The A-11 Ghibli feels like a fairly balanced and highly functional option that could fit in the game as it is now while the AV-8B could probably work in a patch or two. The trainer/light attack aircraft would be nice even for filler aircraft with their charming aesthetic, decent performance, and likely placement in early to mid jet battle ratings.

The problem is that gaijin don't want to implement those aircraft because they don't want to invest anything for make new indegenous CAS for Italy.So if they don't want to give to Us anything, I prefer an A10C istead of nothing

Edited March 16, 2023 by Il_Signor_Regio

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Il_Signor_Regio

[PickleJarOfDeath 1,498]

4 hours ago, Il_Signor_Regio said:

The problem is that gaijin don't want to implement those aircraft because they don't want to invest anything for make new indegenous CAS for Italy.So if they don't want to give to Us anything, I prefer an A10C istead of nothing

The issue is that they won't give you the A-10 either. I gave more plausible solutions that I can understand might not make it into the game for the foreseeable future because Gaijin is like that, but that doesn't change the fact that the A-10 is so distinctly unlikely and less likely than things Italy actually made or operated as integrated units in their armed forces. Don't settle for the "worst" option just because it is more than nothing. More than nothing isn't always much better than nothing. I call the A-10 the worst option here because it would be a symbolic addition making a false statement that Italy cannot produce something worth adding to the game. That is clearly false as per the passion of the community.

 

If you want to get swindled, your asking price should be what you want for it, not higher, or your offer should be as close to someone else's asking price as possible. Are you telling me that you are willing to spend your energy to push for a bad deal rather than use that same energy and push for something better? I don't understand how someone carrying a defeatist attitude like this is willing to waste their energy on something whatsoever. Needless to mention, but that wastes an opportunity for other options that others might want and you would also enjoy.

[Il_Signor_Regio 153]

10 hours ago, PickleJarOfDeath said:

The issue is that they won't give you the A-10 either. I gave more plausible solutions that I can understand might not make it into the game for the foreseeable future because Gaijin is like that, but that doesn't change the fact that the A-10 is so distinctly unlikely and less likely than things Italy actually made or operated as integrated units in their armed forces. Don't settle for the "worst" option just because it is more than nothing. More than nothing isn't always much better than nothing. I call the A-10 the worst option here because it would be a symbolic addition making a false statement that Italy cannot produce something worth adding to the game. That is clearly false as per the passion of the community.

 

If you want to get swindled, your asking price should be what you want for it, not higher, or your offer should be as close to someone else's asking price as possible. Are you telling me that you are willing to spend your energy to push for a bad deal rather than use that same energy and push for something better? I don't understand how someone carrying a defeatist attitude like this is willing to waste their energy on something whatsoever. Needless to mention, but that wastes an opportunity for other options that others might want and you would also enjoy.

Considering the F16AJ,Swedish helicopters and T80, this is the same situation.Talking about my point of view,I would prefer a tons Our indegenous aircrafts istead of an A10, but I'm realistic.Gaijin don't want to add anything unique to Us so this is the only choice.Trust me,I would prefer a lot more Italian CAS but if we can't get those aircrafts, as I said previously, A10C is better than nothing.

Edited March 17, 2023 by Il_Signor_Regio