f5c The F5-A/C didn't have flares

[Nova_the_foxgirl 4]

The early variants of the f5 both the A and Skoshi Tiger or C variant were never equipped with flares in a real combat or training situation the closest it gets was the use of chaff by f105s and wild weasels to distract sam systems ercm was also used but in no picture does the F5 show the external flare pod that it shows in the game on the documents attached is proof of f5s using flares or any form of countermeasuers

area51_50.PDF AFD-110323-034.pdf ADA186626.pdf AFD-101013-038.pdf

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

Norwegian had them on theirs

 

Dutch had them on theirs too

Edited June 9, 2023 by TyphoonCro

[Nova_the_foxgirl 4]

Those are the later variants F/E the one being discussed is the Skoshi Tiger used in vietnam by american and south vietnamese forces 

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

6 minutes ago, Nova_the_foxgirl said:

Those are the later variants F/E the one being discussed is the Skoshi Tiger used in vietnam by american and south vietnamese forces 

 

No, they are not

Both of these are license built Canadian CF-5s (or NF-5s) which are based on F-5A

Edited June 9, 2023 by TyphoonCro

[Nova_the_foxgirl 4]

Here is a picture of f5 a bought by mexico with combat loadouts and there and even if they are F5-A it shouldnt have them in the game unless it is that export or a certain export variant and not the original US one for example the CF-5

[tripod2008 593]

This impacts other vehicles like the MiG-23M and a few others, and was a balancing change made deliberately by Gaijin to prevent certain aircraft with good kinematics from eating missiles and subsequently being down tiered to the point where it the performance will handily beat out everything else in a dogfight, or otherwise have an edge that can be used to great effect e.g. US F-104's.

 

it would basically create the inverse problem of the A-10 / Su-25 and so efforts were made to avoid it, its not even the worst thing wrong with the various F-5's in the game, as they have a number of trialed ordnance  configurations and a mix of features that was never actually purchased or produced for any nation, but a mix of what was possible.

 

Much of which you can see documented and explained in the linked topic.

 

[Nova_the_foxgirl 4]

I understand that historical accuracy is less important than gmaeplay balance but at the same time it seems ridiculus to give it such a high amount of flares when the vehicle itself can dodge missiles if used correctly lets put another plane as an example the j35 Draken, it didnt use flares in real life but in game it is given 2 flare pods with 6 flares or chaff each which makes it important to know when to use flares. it seems that the developers could make the balancing of such planes more accurate but then you realize why they dont the second you enter a 10.0 to 11.0 match and there is a team with 9 F5s and a couple of a-10s

 

[XItsBalanceX@live 131]

4 hours ago, Nova_the_foxgirl said:

I understand that historical accuracy is less important than gmaeplay balance but at the same time it seems ridiculus to give it such a high amount of flares when the vehicle itself can dodge missiles if used correctly lets put another plane as an example the j35 Draken, it didnt use flares in real life but in game it is given 2 flare pods with 6 flares or chaff each which makes it important to know when to use flares. it seems that the developers could make the balancing of such planes more accurate but then you realize why they dont the second you enter a 10.0 to 11.0 match and there is a team with 9 F5s and a couple of a-10s

 

Lets see u dodge r60m's no flares eazy peezy right?

 

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

13 hours ago, Nova_the_foxgirl said:

Here is a picture of f5 a bought by mexico with combat loadouts and there and even if they are F5-A it shouldnt have them in the game unless it is that export or a certain export variant and not the original US one for example the CF-5

 

Incorrect

Mexico only ever used F-5E

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[WinstonWolfe 326]

If GR.1 can't have flares F5C/A should not have it too.

 

@Gunjob how about that?

[Bruce_R1 2,118]

15 hours ago, TyphoonCro said:

 

No, they are not

Both of these are license built Canadian CF-5s (or NF-5s) which are based on F-5A

Not Norway, it used regular F-5As from the US. Canada only exported the CF-5 to the Dutch (and Botswana, Turkey, Venezuela and Greece). And it had significant differences from the F-5A.

 

That said, the Norway F-5A in the photo pretty clearly does have flare pods, so...

Edited June 10, 2023 by Bruce_R1

[Thodin 6,783]

When the US ingame version has CM's, they need to be removed. Or Gajin needs to change it into a export version which might have it.

[Nova_the_foxgirl 4]

13 minutes ago, Thodin said:

When the US ingame version has CM's, they need to be removed. Or Gajin needs to change it into a export version which might have it.

Or at the very least make the flares on older planes not as effective or make more advanced missiles include the improved eos to detect between flares and an actual plane