Su-39 SL Multiplier

[Being_LongGone 17]

Is it just me of the Su-39 SL Multiplier doesn't seem right..

With an 1.2 multiplier, this sits worse than the Su-25T and all the previous premium aircrafts behind it.

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by Being_LongGone

[Malekitth 149]

Yes i hope it is a typing mistake, otherwise this is another stab in the back for actual paying players.

[XarachiX 389]

Yes the SL modifier is quite low even compared to other top tier jets which have ~400 - 500% SL multiplier by default. I don't know if Gaijin expected it to be a really good SL farmer but so far it's been a struggle at it's BR, especially with the R-60's, which are basically obsolete tier for tier.

[NeshekMaestro 11]

17 hours ago, XarachiX said:

Yes the SL modifier is quite low even compared to other top tier jets which have ~400 - 500% SL multiplier by default. I don't know if Gaijin expected it to be a really good SL farmer but so far it's been a struggle at it's BR, especially with the R-60's, which are basically obsolete tier for tier.

new su25 should be at 10.7 or even 10.3 its impossible to play it at 12.0. Premium A10 has 6 guided TV rockets + 2 guided TV 2000lbs bombs with that and 2*9Ls all that simultaneously at 10 br. While premium su39 has only 2 guided TV rockets OR 2 guided TV bombs at 11.3. Yes there are many laser rockets such as Kh25 and Vikhrs, however in ground rb laser weapons are not really effective on a plane, since any AA on that br will shoot down that su39 before it could even find this AA, not to mention that with these rockets you have to constantly keep target in sight, leaving yourself exposed. Only two R60Ms on top tier is clearly a joke from gaijin. A10A(late) has thermals, while su-25T/TM is without thermal. Everyone was so hyped about it having vikhrs, devs overnerfed it so you cant even hit a g.91 bot with it, not to mention players.

[TPS Hydra@live 46]

15 hours ago, NeshekMaestro said:

new su25 should be at 10.7 or even 10.3 its impossible to play it at 12.0. Premium A10 has 6 guided TV rockets + 2 guided TV 2000lbs bombs with that and 2*9Ls all that simultaneously at 10 br. While premium su39 has only 2 guided TV rockets OR 2 guided TV bombs at 11.3. Yes there are many laser rockets such as Kh25 and Vikhrs, however in ground rb laser weapons are not really effective on a plane, since any AA on that br will shoot down that su39 before it could even find this AA, not to mention that with these rockets you have to constantly keep target in sight, leaving yourself exposed. Only two R60Ms on top tier is clearly a joke from gaijin. A10A(late) has thermals, while su-25T/TM is without thermal. Everyone was so hyped about it having vikhrs, devs overnerfed it so you cant even hit a g.91 bot with it, not to mention players.

 

I have to disagree hardly with this and it's pretty simple, firstly we can't ignore the fact this carrier Vikhr missiles and we know ground and air battle rating can't be separated so it would be too strong for its BR. It would absolutely destroy competition and the IRCM can make things like the Ozelot useless if you use the IRCM in combination of flares and evasion. A easy fix would be adding other air to air armament and this could come in the form of the R-27, R-77 or the R-73.

 

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Image of a SU-39 carrying the R-27 on the 3rd pylon. 

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by TPS Hydra@live

[NeshekMaestro 11]

50 minutes ago, TPS Hydra@live said:

 

I have to disagree hardly with this and it's pretty simple, firstly we can't ignore the fact this carrier Vikhr missiles and we know ground and air battle rating can't be separated so it would be too strong for its BR. It would absolutely destroy competition and the IRCM can make things like the Ozelot useless if you use the IRCM in combination of flares and evasion. A easy fix would be adding other air to air armament and this could come in the form of the R-27, R-77 or the R-73.

 

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Image of a SU-39 carrying the R-27 on the 3rd pylon. 

 

You ignoring the fact that vikhr missiles are crap because its been overnerfed. You can only hit tanks with it or something moving straight at you. Any evasive manuever or even slight change of target's course will cause a miss. 

[ARK_BOI 810]

16 hours ago, NeshekMaestro said:

new su25 should be at 10.7 or even 10.3 its impossible

what because it can't stomp people on 11.3? or because it won't work on ground RB because you gonna get shotdown despite having vikhr? you're not only a sub sonic on that br

don't make me laugh 10.3?? really? with vikhr? oh let not forget it had IRCM on it tail too it should be 10.3 hahahaha!!

Edited June 16, 2023 by ARK_BOI

[NeshekMaestro 11]

1 hour ago, ARK_BOI said:

what because it can't stomp people on 11.3? or because it won't work on ground RB because you gonna get shotdown despite having vikhr? you're not only a sub sonic on that br

don't make me laugh 10.3?? really? with vikhr? oh let not forget it had IRCM on it tail too it should be 10.3 hahahaha!!

Tell me why not? 11.3 means it has to face F16, Mig-29 etc. or any other jet with radar missiles. IRCM is a joke, it rarely work against AA or even helis. I once got killed by a german mi24, so dont tell me its a thing. Now, as I said, premium A10 has 6 TV rockets and 2 TV GBU-8 2000lb bombs. It can safely play at 15km range without worrying about any AA. A-6E has thermals and up to 9 guided bombs Everything with having 10.0 br.
While SU-39 and SU-25T has only 2 TV rockets and vikhrs that in current patch are crap, especially when its just a laser weapon. You have to leave yourself exposed, find target(without thermals), and keep tracking target until its hit. AA at 11.3 which is often uptiered to 12.0 can shoot you down within 2 seconds at 5km range. That's for ground rb.

In air rb these planes absolutely suffer, due to slow speeds, low maneuverability, only two R60M at top tier and again, overnerfed vikhrs. 

It should not be at 11.3.

10.7 is adequate request or perhaps give it R73s. I only mentioned 10.3 because of A-10 Late and its weaponry.

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by NeshekMaestro

[Sanovia8829@live 25]

vikhr is no longer the same missile as before the update su25t without r73  can be 10.7 with r73 11.0 max

[ARK_BOI 810]

1 hour ago, NeshekMaestro said:

F16, Mig-29 etc. or any other jet with radar missiles

It not only sub sonic that face them Harrier GR7 also facing them (sit at higher BR too)

1 hour ago, NeshekMaestro said:

Now, as I said, premium A10 has 6 TV rockets and 2 TV GBU-8 2000lb

You know that those TV also come with bad quality of camera and can’t use at night right?

1 hour ago, NeshekMaestro said:

A-6E has thermals

It should go higher BR sure

overnerf vikhr? Really? What do you expect it to do? Expect it to shoot F-16 down flying at super sonic speed? (Let be real they made vikhr more realistic not overnerf it)

Edited June 16, 2023 by ARK_BOI

[NeshekMaestro 11]

22 minutes ago, ARK_BOI said:

It not only sub sonic that face them Harrier GR7 also facing them (sit at higher BR too)

You know that those TV also come with bad quality of camera and can’t use at night right?

It should go higher BR sure

overnerf vikhr? Really? What do you expect it to do? Expect it to shoot F-16 down flying at super sonic speed? (Let be real they made vikhr more realistic not overnerf it)

Harrier has 4 9L missiles which are not equal to 2 R60M at all. Harrier also has thermals and up to 6 guided bombs. Yet, no one also denies that British tree is broken.

There are no night battles yet, and me personally never take a jet out to a night battle anyway. Doubt anyone smart will be doing that at 12.0 br.

As for vikhrs, its going 600m/s thats up to mach 1.8. It should at least be able to reach a jet flying away from you. It also should be able to shoot down medium-speed air targets (helicopters, attack aircraft, and UAVs). Currently, you can only kill helicopters and maybe UAVs. Sometimes it wont even be able to shoot down bots in test flight. It clearly lacks maneuverability. Surely there must be compromise with what was and whats now.

Edited June 16, 2023 by NeshekMaestro

[ARK_BOI 810]

1 hour ago, NeshekMaestro said:

Harrier has 4 9L missiles which are not equal to 2 R60M

It already sit at lower BR than Harrier plus it doesn’t matter it 9L or R60M one flare it’s all it take for both of them now

1 hour ago, NeshekMaestro said:

Harrier also has thermals and up to 6 guided

Also Su-25T got up to 16 vikhr which alone twice more than Harrier Thermal are advantages over the SU-25T but SU-25 make it up by more ground attack loadout

1 hour ago, NeshekMaestro said:

able to shoot down bots in test flight. It clearly lacks maneuverability.

Well it ATGM if it can hit tanks it work fine by me it not supposed to hit jet easily  

[TPS Hydra@live 46]

23 hours ago, NeshekMaestro said:

You ignoring the fact that vikhr missiles are crap because its been overnerfed. You can only hit tanks with it or something moving straight at you. Any evasive manuever or even slight change of target's course will cause a miss. 

 

I'm talking about for ground attack and the Vikhr's weren't really made for destroying planes that's why the SU-39 could be equipped with R-27's, R-73's and R-77's.

[marcinel 10]

The addition of air-to-air missiles like the R-77, R-73, and R-27 to the Su-39 would provide historical accuracy by simulating upgrades made to the real-life Su-39. It would also balance gameplay by giving the aircraft the ability to engage enemy planes, adding versatility and strategic options for players. The inclusion of air-to-air missiles would enhance gameplay dynamics, creating more exciting and unpredictable encounters. However, it's ultimately up to the game developers to decide on loadouts and balance.

 

Unilaterally decreasing the lions multiplier of new premiums without informing customers is not just harmful, it's a betrayal of trust. It leaves players feeling deceived and undervalued, tarnishing the relationship between the developers and the player base. It diminishes the value of hard-earned purchases, crushing the excitement and satisfaction players once had. It obstructs progression, forcing players to toil longer and spend more to achieve the same goals. The disruption of game balance injects an unfair advantage, sowing frustration and resentment among those left in the dark. This callous act breeds discontent, driving a wedge within the passionate War Thunder community. It's time for developers to recognize the profound impact of their actions and restore honesty and respect to the heart of the game.

[marcinel 10]

 

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Edited June 17, 2023 by marcinel
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[marcinel 10]

On 16/06/2023 at 18:51, ARK_BOI said:

On 16/06/2023 at 17:22, NeshekMaestro said:

Harrier has 4 9L missiles which are not equal to 2 R60M

It already sit at lower BR than Harrier plus it doesn’t matter it 9L or R60M one flare it’s all it take for both of them now

By utilizing the Aim9L missile, you gain the ability to engage targets at much greater distances, allowing for engagements at ranges of 5km or even 6km. This provides several significant advantages:

1. Expanded Coverage: With the extended range, you can cover a much larger area, increasing your overall operational effectiveness.

2. Enhanced Stealth: Engaging targets from such long distances reduces the chances of being detected by the enemy. This allows for a more covert approach, as they may not hear or see your aircraft until it's too late.

3. Improved Responsiveness: The Aim9L's ability to achieve higher speeds enables quicker response times during engagements. This can be crucial in maintaining the upper hand and reacting swiftly to enemy maneuvers.

On 16/06/2023 at 18:51, ARK_BOI said:

On 16/06/2023 at 17:22, NeshekMaestro said:

Harrier also has thermals and up to 6 guided

Also Su-25T got up to 16 vikhr which alone twice more than Harrier Thermal are advantages over the SU-25T but SU-25 make it up by more ground attack loadout

In addition, the inclusion of thermal imaging technology further enhances situational awareness, which is of utmost importance as armaments. After all, even if you possess a formidable weapon like a nuke, its effectiveness is nullified if you lack accurate information on where to deploy it.

On 16/06/2023 at 18:51, ARK_BOI said:

On 16/06/2023 at 17:22, NeshekMaestro said:

able to shoot down bots in test flight. It clearly lacks maneuverability.

Well it ATGM if it can hit tanks it work fine by me it not supposed to hit jet easily  

Currently, the Vikhir missile stands out as one of the few weapons capable of instilling fear in adversaries due to its reputation (at least for now).

Edited June 17, 2023 by marcinel

[SaintGordon 67]

the issue is, that there is no split between air and ground BRs.

[ARK_BOI 810]

31 minutes ago, marcinel said:

By utilizing the Aim9L missile, you gain the ability to engage targets at much greater distances, allowing for engagements at ranges of 5km or even 6km. This provides several significant advantages:

1. Expanded Coverage: With the extended range, you can cover a much larger area, increasing your overall operational effectiveness.

2. Enhanced Stealth: Engaging targets from such long distances reduces the chances of being detected by the enemy. This allows for a more covert approach, as they may not hear or see your aircraft until it's too late.

3. Improved Responsiveness: The Aim9L's ability to achieve higher speeds enables quicker response times during engagements. This can be crucial in maintaining the upper hand and reacting swiftly to enemy maneuvers.

In addition, the inclusion of thermal imaging technology further enhances situational awareness, which is of utmost importance as armaments. After all, even if you possess a formidable weapon like a nuke, its effectiveness is nullified if you lack accurate information on where to deploy it.

Currently, the Vikhir missile stands out as one of the few weapons capable of instilling fear in adversaries due to its reputation (at least for now).

And? doesn't make SU 39 or SU 25T are suffer on where it sits at any way you want it to have R-73? fine but Realistic loadout for Harrier it didn't use 9L it uses 9M you want that too? (AIM-9M are 80s missile and GR7 are Attacker from 90s)

and Vikhir are still doing well as air to ground, and you can carry more than Harrier can carry total of 6 air to ground and new SU39 and 25T had IRCM even harrier GR7 had MAWS system on them they still don't have it in the game but God they SU39 can have IRCM.

 

[marcinel 10]

20 hours ago, ARK_BOI said:

20 hours ago, marcinel said:

By utilizing the Aim9L missile, you gain the ability to engage targets at much greater distances, allowing for engagements at ranges of 5km or even 6km. This provides several significant advantages:

1. Expanded Coverage: With the extended range, you can cover a much larger area, increasing your overall operational effectiveness.

2. Enhanced Stealth: Engaging targets from such long distances reduces the chances of being detected by the enemy. This allows for a more covert approach, as they may not hear or see your aircraft until it's too late.

3. Improved Responsiveness: The Aim9L's ability to achieve higher speeds enables quicker response times during engagements. This can be crucial in maintaining the upper hand and reacting swiftly to enemy maneuvers.

In addition, the inclusion of thermal imaging technology further enhances situational awareness, which is of utmost importance as armaments. After all, even if you possess a formidable weapon like a nuke, its effectiveness is nullified if you lack accurate information on where to deploy it.

Currently, the Vikhir missile stands out as one of the few weapons capable of instilling fear in adversaries due to its reputation (at least for now).

And? doesn't make SU 39 or SU 25T are suffer on where it sits at any way you want it to have R-73? fine but Realistic loadout for Harrier it didn't use 9L it uses 9M you want that too? (AIM-9M are 80s missile and GR7 are Attacker from 90s)

and Vikhir are still doing well as air to ground, and you can carry more than Harrier can carry total of 6 air to ground and new SU39 and 25T had IRCM even harrier GR7 had MAWS system on them they still don't have it in the game but God they SU39 can have IRCM.

 

 

 

While the Su-39 does possess some air-to-air missile capabilities, its primary focus lies in engaging ground targets (IRL). Equipped with advanced weapon systems and avionics tailored for effective ground attacks, the Su-39's inclusion of air-to-air missiles grants it a limited self-defense capability against enemy aircraft. However, it is not optimized for dogfighting or air superiority missions.

 

On the other hand, the GR7 is a true Fighter/Attacker aircraft, designed to excel in both air-to-air combat and ground attack missions. With advanced maneuverability, superior speed, and a wide range of weapons systems, the GR7 effectively engages both airborne and ground targets. Specifically optimized for dogfighting, the GR7 proves to be a formidable opponent in aerial combat scenarios.

A plane boasting superior acceleration and maneuverability would greatly benefit from the utilization of more advanced missiles.

20 hours ago, SaintGordon said:

the issue is, that there is no split between air and ground BRs.

Yes, it is incredibly frustrating to witness the Su-39, a formidable force on the ground, become utterly defenseless in the air.

Edited June 18, 2023 by marcinel

[SaintGordon 67]

Su-39 Air frame isnt 11.3 at all.

The anti ground weaponsa are

[marcinel 10]

8 minutes ago, SaintGordon said:

Su-39 Air frame isnt 11.3 at all.

The anti ground weaponsa are

This combination of an older airframe with modern weapon systems and technology is what makes the Su-39 unique.

[SaintGordon 67]

not so unique, Su-25T is nealy a clone

[marcinel 10]

2 minutes ago, SaintGordon said:

not so unique, Su-25T is nealy a clone

The Su-39 stands out as a unique aircraft due to its exceptional capability to mount various fighters that the Su-25T cannot accommodate. Notably, the Su-39 can be equipped with advanced missiles like the R77, R73, and R27. This distinct feature sets the Su-39 apart, providing it with a significant advantage over the Su-25T in terms of air-to-air combat capabilities.

[SaintGordon 67]

4 minutes ago, marcinel said:

The Su-39 stands out as a unique aircraft due to its exceptional capability to mount various fighters that the Su-25T cannot accommodate. Notably, the Su-39 can be equipped with advanced missiles like the R77, R73, and R27. This distinct feature sets the Su-39 apart, providing it with a significant advantage over the Su-25T in terms of air-to-air combat capabilities.

Dude, dont try to sell this thing.

Keep your fanboy atitude to yourselfe.

 

were talking about a game, nothing else

[marcinel 10]

1 minute ago, SaintGordon said:

Dude, dont try to sell this thing.

Keep your fanboy atitude to yourselfe.

 

were talking about a game, nothing else

The appalling performance of the Su-39 in the game is truly a tragedy. Therefore, I will continue to delve into the details of its real-life counterpart.