Tanks/Vehicles German Anti-Aircraft Suggestions (Merged)

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Flakpanzer IV Mobelwagon

 

This vehicle was previously part of the Aberdeen US Army Ordnance Museum (USA). When the vehicle was given back to the WTS at 

Koblenz (Germany) in the 70s, it was complete. The chassis was handed over to Sinsheim and the 3,7 cm Flak 43 remains still in the 

WTS collection. A 40mm Bofor was put instead (Rudi Ehninger, Brigadier General (rtd) German Panzertruppe) 

 

Type Self-propelled anti-aircraft gun Place of origin Nazi Germany Specifications Weight 24 tonnes Length 5.92 m (19 ft 5 in) Width 2.95 m (9 ft 8 in) Height 2.73 m (8 ft 11 in) Crew 6 Armor 10 - 80 mm

Main
armament

1x 3.7cm FlaK 43 L/89
416 rounds

Secondary
armament

1× 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
600 rounds Engine 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM
300 PS (296 hp, 221 kW) Power/weight 12.5 PS/tonne Suspension leaf spring

Operational
range

200 km (120 mi) Speed 38 km/h (24 mph)

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Flakpanzer IV "Kugelblitz"

 

The need for a specialised self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, capable of keeping up with the armoured divisions, had become increasingly urgent for the German Armed Forces, as from 1943 on the German Air Force was less and less able to protect against enemy fighter bombers. 

Therefore a multitude of improvised and specially designed self-propelled anti-aircraft guns were built, many on the Panzer IV chassis, starting with the Flakpanzer IV Mobelwagon and progressing through the Wirblewind and Ostwind models. The Kugelblitz was the final development of the Flakpanzer IV.

The Kugelblitz had the chassis and basic superstructure of the Panzer IV tank, on which a newly designed turret was mounted. This turret was fully enclosed, with overhead protection and 360° traverse.Instead, the 30 mm Zwillingsflak ("twin flak") 103/38 twin gun, a twinned-mount version of the MK 103 cannon, was used, which had also been fitted to such planes as the Henschel Hs 129 and Dornier Do 335. The rate of fire of the twin 30 mm guns was 450 rounds a minute per gun.

 

Type Self-propelled  anti-aircraft gun Place of origin Nazi Germany Production history Produced 1945 Number built 2-6 Specifications Weight 23 tonnes Length 5.92 m (19 ft 5 in) Width 2.95 m (9 ft 8 in) Height 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in) Crew 5 (commander, two gunners, radio operator, driver) Armor 80 mm (3.1 in) maximum

Main
armament

Zwillingsflak 30mm MK 103 twin anti-aircraft gun

Secondary
armament

7.92 mm MG34 Engine 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM gasoline
300 PS (296 hp, 221 kW) Power/weight 13 PS/tonne Fuel capacity 470 l (120 US gal)

Operational
range

200 km (120 mi) Speed 38 km/h (24 mph)

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Flakpanzer IV "Wirbelwind"

 

The Flakpanzer IV "Wirbelwind" (Whirlwind in English) was a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun based on the Panzer IV tank. It was developed in 1944 as a successor to the earlier self-propelled anti-aircraft gun Mobelwagon.

In the first years of the war, the Wehrmacht had less interest in developing self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, but as the Allies began to gain air superiority, the need for more mobile and better-armed self-propelled anti-aircraft guns increased. During the early summer of 1944, SS-Hauptsturmfurhrer Karl Willhelm Krause with the 12th Panzer Division Hitlerjugend came up with the concept of the Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind. He presented the concept to SS-Obersturmbannführer Max Wunsche, commanding officer of the 12th SS Panzer Regiment and it was approved by Hitler.

The Panzer IV's turret was removed and replaced with an open-top, nine-sided turret which housed a quadruple 2cm Flakverling 38 L/112.5. A closed-top design would have been preferable, but this was not possible due to the heavy smoke generated by the four anti-aircraft guns. Production of the tank was carried out by Ostbau Werke in Sagan,Silesia. Thereafter, the 2 cm shells proved less effective against aircraft so a more powerful successor was produced which eventually replaced it. Known as the Flakpanzer IV Ostwind (East Wind), the successor was equipped with a single 3.7cm Flak 43. The combination of armor and rapid fire from the four guns of the WirbelWind did make it effective against ground targets

 

 

Type Self-propelled anti-aircraft gun Place of origin Nazi Germany Specifications Weight 22 tonnes (48,501 lbs) Length 5.89 m (19 ft 4 in) Width 2.88 m (9 ft 5 in) Height 2.76 m (9 ft 1 in) Crew 5 (commander/gunner, two loaders, driver, radio operator) Armor 10 - 80 mm (.39 - 3.14 in)

Main
armament

2 cm Flakvierling 38 quad AA

Secondary
armament

1x 7.92mm Maschinengewehr 34 Engine 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM

300 PS (296 hp, 221 kW) Power/weight 13.6 PS/tonne Payload capacity 3,200 rounds 2 cm
1,350 rounds 7,92 mm Suspension leaf spring

Operational
range

200 km (124 mi) Speed 40 km/h (25 mph)

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Flakpanzer 38(t)

 

The Flakpanzer 38(t) was designed around the chassis of the Czech-built LT-38 tank and was built from November 1943 to February 1944, entering service in 1944.

As the vehicle used the 38(t) Ausf M chassis, the engine was located near the middle of the vehicle, and the armament was placed at the rear in a specially designed armoured section. The superstructure could fold down to allow 360-degree traverse at low elevation.

A total of 141 Flakpanzer 38(t)s were built, including the single prototype vehicle.

 

The Flakpanzer 38(t) was intended to be issued to the anti-aircraft platoon of each tank battalion (Panzer Abteilung) in a Panzer division.

Most of the Flakpanzer 38(t)s were issued to Panzer Divisions on the Western Front, the remainder served on the Eastern Front. An example user being the 12th SS Panzer Division.

At this late stage in the war, the single 2 cm FlaK main armament was no longer sufficient to ward off enemy aircraft, and the Flakpanzer 38(t) became easy prey for Allied fighter-bombers.

As its folding superstructure allowed a very low (-5°) elevation the Flakpanzer 38(t) was often used against enemy infantry and unarmoured or lightly armoured vehicles.

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Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind"

 

The Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind" was a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun based on the Panzer IV tank. It was developed in 1944 as a successor to the earlier Flakpanzer IV/2cm VierlingWirbelwind.

The Panzer IV's turret was removed and replaced with an open-top, hexagonal turret which housed a 3.7 cm FlaK 43. In addition to its intended role as an anti-aircraft weapon, the fast-firing gun was highly effective against light vehicles and minor fortifications. A closed-top design would have been preferable, but this was not possible due to the heavy smoke generated by the gun.

The Ostwind's main improvement over the Wirbelwind was the FlaK 43's increased range and stopping power over the 2 cm Flakvierling 38 and slightly better armoring on its turret.

Although an order for 100 vehicles was placed in August, 1944, only 44 vehicles were completed (37 converted from existing Panzer IV's and 7 new production vehicles) from December 1944 to March 1945.

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Open for discussion 

[Activ3Blu3 25]

It's a Cardboard box  :Os

I do hope it gets in though  :salute:

[Heike 1,774]

Sexy.

+1

[Heike 1,774]

Wait this is from wikipedia?
D:<

[Carla_J_Luksic 1,260]

Could throw it into Era III battles and have Wirbelwind after that..

Kugelblitz ought to be in either Era IV or V..

[Activ3Blu3 25]

I do hope it gets put in  :salute:

I really love this tank just looks so cool!  :facepalm:

[Activ3Blu3 25]

 I did other research as well  8/s the information was roughly the same

Edited June 1, 2014 by xXActiv3Blu3Xx

[MalagVonBaul 661]

How it looks in real life:

 

 

 

 

 

[HexaDecimator 728]

Yes, we need this before the Hetzer 2^nd 38 t!

Edited June 1, 2014 by Candybuzzbomb

[eliw00d 494]

Yes, please! I love the 38(t) series. I hope we also see the Marder III Ausf. H and M, and maybe even the Grille Ausf. H and M.

[Th3hadyn 5,881]

T3 AA, if T4 i will kill u  :Ps

[EPSNtheGATOR 4,944]

great late era IV AA vehicle

 

yes

[mumurees2 19]

In my personal opinion, i think that ground forces desperately needs ground-air tanks in a place above tier 2, so i'm in favor of any AA tanks to be added.

[mumurees2 19]

sounds great, would love to see more AA tanks added

[mumurees2 19]

looks great

+1

[_Katyusha_ 1,828]

I like the whirlwind. +1 from me.

Side note, wasn't only one ever built? I don't recall exactly, but I seem to remember that they never went into serial production. If not just one, there weren't many of them.

[_Katyusha_ 1,828]

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/140214-kugelblitz-aaascout-tank/

 

Already suggested. Actually, it was suggested back in CBT.

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+_Katyshu: Between 87 and 105 Wirbelwinds were produced during the war, so there weren't very many of them made

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Thank you all for voting  :salute:

Edited June 2, 2014 by xXActiv3Blu3Xx

[_Katyusha_ 1,828]

+_Katyshu: Between 87 and 105 Wirbelwinds were produced during the war, so there weren't very many of them made

 

Yeah. I couldn't exactly remember. I knew that they weren't that common, I just forgot the details on numbers.