tanks/vehicles Chieftain MK.5/4 MBT - New Top tier UK tank

[Vitasalato 681]

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Chieftain MK.5/4 MBT

 

 

 

Why

 

The current Chieftain MK.3 that is in game is a great tank for UK, however the UK lacks another top tier MBT. Currently is the only nation with a single 8.0 tank, excluding the ATGM.

 

Visual aspect

 

Not much to say about the visual aspect of this variant. Infact nothing have changed externally between the Chieftain MK.3 and the Chieftain MK.5/4.

 

Performance

 

 

 

General specifications 

 

1st source:

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2nd source:

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Engine 

 

The main difference of the Chieftain MK.5/4 is the improved L60 engine providing 750 HP.

 

Spoiler

 

 

A clarification has to be done about the used engine, since some sources might give different engine power values for the Mk.5.

The MK.5 used different versions of the L60 engine, starting from the L60 Mk.7A providing 720 HP inherited by the Chieftain Mk.3/3, and then upgraded to the successive versions, starting from the L60 Mk.8A, that provided 750 HP.

I think that should be used one of the engine version Mk.8A (750 HP) or successive, since the Mk.7A (720 HP) was quickly replaced.

 

Armament & Ammo

 

Currently the UK is the only nation missing HEAT-FS shells. Despite the remarkable performances of the APDS L15A3, an HEAT-FS shell is overall superior to it. Since the UK army didn't used HEAT-FS and the T62 introduced the APFSDS shells, I think that the Chieftain MK.5/4 deserves the L23A1 APFSDS-T (1530 m/s) as a unlockable shell.

 

The L23A1 will be an amazing, and the best, APFSDS in game. However in terms of penetration, its performances will be in line with HEAT-FS & ATGMs, HEAT-FSs that UK don't have unlike all the other nations.

 

Unfortunately I wasn't able to find additional info on this shell, but if someone have information just post it down below or send me a PM and I'll add it

 

 

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Sources:

 

1st: Chieftain - Rob Griffin

2nd: Chieftain Main Battle Tank 1965-2003 - Simon Dunstan

 

Edited December 8, 2016 by Vitasalato

[blakeob 8,086]

Open for discussion. 

[Josh_Yong 328]

Yes please

[HyJetV 3,063]

Mk.5 has been suggested before I think.

And i support its implementation.

The Mk.3 is good, but its past its time now, with the advent of ATGMs, by the time its in a good firing spot, its being flanked by leos and rained upon by ATGMs.

 

The Mk5 wouldn't be 'game breaking' either, apart from stillbrew armour, better engine & a new ammo rack with the ability to carry APDS-FS, nothing else really has changed. 


However, Gaijin has teased at the Mk.5 when they brought in the T-62.
I cant find the tweet, but someone asked for a British equivalent to the APDS-FS firing T62, to which gaijin teasingly responded along the lines of "Chieftain Mk.5 or maybe some later year Centurions"

[blakeob 8,086]

8 minutes ago, HyJetV said:

Mk.5 has been suggested before I think.

Got a link? I thought so too, but the archive just said "Chieftain tank" which is really vague. 

[HyJetV 3,063]

Just now, blakeob said:

Got a link? I thought so too, but the archive just said "Chieftain tank" which is really vague. 

 

I may be wrong, but i could have swore ive seen a mk5 post before. the more the better though, shows we need this tank

[blakeob 8,086]

1 minute ago, HyJetV said:

 

I may be wrong, but i could have swore ive seen a mk5 post before. the more the better though, shows we need this tank

Well, along with the sources shown, it's a pretty detailed thread anyway, so even if there was another one, I'd probably have left it open if the other one was less detailed. Also, I couldn't find the Mk 5 thread. And indeed, if there are two suggestion threads, it shows that the community has a good interest in the tank. 

 

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

+1 

[_EQUAI_ 356]

Yaaaaaaas! +1 

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

A tip: make a poll 

[WulfPack 1,693]

I support it without APFSDS.

[Sharpe85 342]

+1

[Battered_Walrus 995]

yes this would bring some kick to existing line up at 8.0

[inaccurate 158]

+1!

(and another +1 for the Royal Standard of Scotland )

[Nope 10,634]

52 minutes ago, WulfPack said:

I support it without APFSDS.

 

I doubt it will have APFSDS in the first place considering its first APFSDS is a monobloc penetrator introduced in 1984.

[HyJetV 3,063]

2 minutes ago, Nope said:

 

I doubt it will have APFSDS in the first place considering its first APFSDS is a monobloc penetrator introduced in 1984.

Yeah, and you know the Leopards HEAT-FS was introduced in 1981.

You cant use shell introduction dates as a counter to the suggestion, look at the Russian tanks, half of them have shells in game, that were produced way after their time.

Mk.5 with APDSFS isnt going to break the game.

[WulfPack 1,693]

3 minutes ago, HyJetV said:

 look at the Russian tanks, half of them have shells in game, that were produced way after their time.

Source. 

[Querulous1 3,276]

I would support the same number of top tanks for each nation. Seems sensible.

[Ghost_Rider12 4,501]

Yes please +1 I would love to see the Mk.5/4 in game but to be fair it would need to be balanced.

 

1 hour ago, Nope said:

 

I doubt it will have APFSDS in the first place considering its first APFSDS is a monobloc penetrator introduced in 1984.

 

It's a Mk.5/4 it was modified to stow APFSDS ammo and lets be honest It wont be game breaking.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Ghost_Rider12

[Vitasalato 681]

4 hours ago, HyJetV said:

Mk.5 has been suggested before I think.

4 hours ago, blakeob said:

Got a link? I thought so too, but the archive just said "Chieftain tank" which is really vague. 

 

The only suggestion about the Chieftain that I found is this.

However is in the "Implemented suggestion" and in any case was covering all the variants of the Chieftain.

 

[Vitasalato 681]

1 hour ago, Nope said:

I doubt it will have APFSDS in the first place considering its first APFSDS is a monobloc penetrator introduced in 1984.

 

The HOT ATGM have a penetration value of 800m @ 0° at any range. I doubt that an APFSDS shell would be game so powerful to break the game. And how I pointed out in the OP, UK is the only nation without HEAT-FS shell that are superior to the current APDS used by the Chieftain MK.3

[Nope 10,634]

1 hour ago, HyJetV said:

Yeah, and you know the Leopards HEAT-FS was introduced in 1981.

You cant use shell introduction dates as a counter to the suggestion, look at the Russian tanks, half of them have shells in game, that were produced way after their time.

Mk.5 with APDSFS isnt going to break the game.

 

I am not arguing from a date perspective, but from a technology perspective. Gaijin never had monobloc APFSDS implemented: only steel APFSDS and steel APFSDS with a tungsten core. The last time I looked at the penetration numbers, I've calculated around 400-420mm penetration PB. This is pretty close to 3BM32 APFSDS honestly, and the ballistic coefficients and muzzle velocity are way better than HEAT. On top of that, being a monobloc penetrator, it actually negates angle. 60 degrees sloping only offers a 1.7x multiplier instead of 2x from LoS. Asking for this is asking for the T-80B to be implemented. The Leopard 1's HEAT is actually M456A1 HEAT, which is well inside the technological deadline. I'm also pretty sure that Choogle debunked claims about Russian time traveling as well, while showing that it's the Germans that infringe this the most even in terms of technological gap.

 

1 minute ago, Vitasalato said:

 

The HOT ATGM have a penetration value of 800m @ 0° at any range. I doubt that an APFSDS shell would be game so powerful to break the game. And how I pointed out in the OP, UK is the only nation without HEAT-FS shell that are superior to the current APDS used by the Chieftain MK.3

 

You are serious underestimating the incredible ballistic coefficient and complete disregard for angles that monobloc APFSDS has. The L11 already has HEAT available IRL, and I'm pretty sure that's not completely game breaking. The problem is that it was never intended to be in British service: only for export.

[Ghost_Rider12 4,501]

7 minutes ago, Nope said:

 

I am not arguing from a date perspective, but from a technology perspective. Gaijin never had monobloc APFSDS implemented: only steel APFSDS and steel APFSDS with a tungsten core. The last time I looked at the penetration numbers, I've calculated around 400-420mm penetration PB. This is pretty close to 3BM32 APFSDS honestly, and the ballistic coefficients and muzzle velocity are way better than HEAT. On top of that, being a monobloc penetrator, it actually negates angle. 60 degrees sloping only offers a 1.7x multiplier instead of 2x from LoS. Asking for this is asking for the T-80B to be implemented. The Leopard 1's HEAT is actually M456A1 HEAT, which is well inside the technological deadline. I'm also pretty sure that Choogle debunked claims about Russian time traveling as well, while showing that it's the Germans that infringe this the most even in terms of technological gap.

 

 

You are serious underestimating the incredible ballistic coefficient and complete disregard for angles that monobloc APFSDS has. The L11 already has HEAT available IRL, and I'm pretty sure that's not completely game breaking. The problem is that it was never intended to be in British service: only for export.

 

Worth noting AFAIK the Mk,5/4 could not stow a HEAT-FS round that and as has already been said the British Army did not use it anyway so I would not expect it to turn up on a British tank.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Ghost_Rider12

[Fallenkezef 5,183]

What we NEED is a third 8.0 tank, this L23 or not, is the best option for the British line.

[CptNeckbeard 385]

+1 but not necessary with the L 23 the L15A3 to A5 should be plenty