tanks/vehicles GER Leopard 1A5 for 9.0/3 (with apfsds)

[RefrigerRaider 563]

NOTE: The German leos currently in game lack the firepower to face off against Tier VI threats like the T-64. This addition of this leo with more modern ammunition can help it maintain competitiveness at Tier VI.

 

(Before you read) This suggestion is meant to complement my previous suggestions for these other tanks for 9.0/3

 

Table of Contents: 

I. Introduction

II. Photos and Videos

III. Suggested Stats and Features

IV. Additional Information

V. References

 

I. Introduction

(excerpt)

The Leopard 1A5 is the most up to date production version of the Leopard 1 family developed in the 1980s to combat increasingly more modern tanks. It was based on existing chassis of the 1A1A1. The primary modifications were new fire control and thermal vision systems. 1,225 Leopard 1A1A1 from the 1st to 4th batches were planned for this conversion. 1 was destroyed in a fire, reducing eventual total to 1,224. The Krupp-Atlas Electronik (KAE) EMES 18 fire control system was selected as the upgrade for this variant. The EMES 18 was developed from the EMES 15 installed on the Leopard 2 and shares many common components. At the heart of the system lies the Haupzielfernrohr (HZF) or primary sight, the optical block on the top of the turret to the right hand side. This housing contains thermal imaging system (made by Carl Zeiss) for target observation and acquisition at night and bad weather. 2 flaps provide protection when not in use. The TEMS 2A stereoscopic sight was removed, the resulting bulges on the turret sides were removed and sealed with circular armor plates. The ballistic computer is installed below the commander's seat at the bottom base of the turret. ...

 

II. Photos and Videos

 

 

 

 

III. Suggested Stats and Features

The Leopard 1A5 is an 1A1A1 refitted with a more modern fire control system and thermal system and fires more modern DM23 APFSDS-T and DM12 HEAT-T. Performance would be considered identical to the 1A1A1. The only addition game wise is the availability of the more modern DM23 and DM12 rounds. The fire control system upgrade will not affect gameplay and not be implemented.

 

IV. Additional Information

V. References

"Leopard 1 1965-95" by Michael Jerchel p. 15-19

 

Edited December 15, 2017 by RefrigerRaider

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Open for discussion.  

[Nope 10,634]

What would be the difference other than APFSDS it shouldn't have and FCS that is not implemented? Seriously, DM33 is superior to M111 Hetz, which is a T-72A killer. To have a 1A5 with APFSDS would require the implementation of the T-72A and FCS.

[RefrigerRaider 563]

Would you suggest the DM23?

Edited February 20, 2017 by RefrigerRaider

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

+1 only when worthy opponents are implemented

[RefrigerRaider 563]

1 hour ago, dotEXCEL said:

+1 only when worthy opponents are implemented

I am currently suggesting counterpart vehicles. be sure to check 

[Nope 10,634]

1 hour ago, RefrigerRaider said:

Would you suggest the DM23?

 

Not unless you make that thing have FCS and be on the same BR as a T-72A.

[RefrigerRaider 563]

1 minute ago, Nope said:

 

Not unless you make that thing have FCS and be on the same BR as a T-72A.

and what should the BR for the T-72A be?

[pieve 3,578]

In my opinion Leopard 1A5 does not need to have this layer so high so

BR 8.3 would be better

[Nope 10,634]

28 minutes ago, RefrigerRaider said:

and what should the BR for the T-72A be?

 

Preferably it shouldn't even be in the game.

[pieve 3,578]

 

Leopard 1A5

Spoiler

 

Edited February 20, 2017 by pieve

[RefrigerRaider 563]

1 hour ago, Nope said:

 

Preferably it shouldn't even be in the game.

agreed as tanks i am proposing are existing hulls from the 50s/60s that are upgraded in the 80s. by this stage, new tanks like the abrams, challenger, t72, t80. and leopard 2 have already taken over.

Edited February 20, 2017 by RefrigerRaider

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

tbh befor we see a keiler/mbt70/Leo2AV i want to see 1A5 and its opponents

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

1 hour ago, dotEXCEL said:

tbh befor we see a keiler/mbt70/Leo2AV i want to see 1A5 and its opponents

The 1 A5 would be boring, 1A4 is more appropriate I think

[Universae 677]

-1 We have enough Leopard 1s at the moment imo, It will be just like the panthers where they are all pretty equel, only these cost 380,000 rp each. 

 

I'd rather see a leopard 2A1 if we go past the leopard we have now.

 

Unless it were to be implemented in a drop down list under the Leopard 1A1, much like some of the BF109s are in the tech tree. Then I cant see an issue in adding it.

[swanseasean96@psn 382]

1987 is a bit of a power creep considering top tier for other countries is 1968 (UK) and 1972 (US) 

 

If other countries get vehicles to match then yes but until that time Germany already leads the game in service dates. 

 

Mk.10 Chieftain is 1985 and the the USA would get left behind as the Abrams was introduced in 1980 which leaves them trailing as composite is a no go from Gaijin.

 

Edit: and by this time the Chieftains got stillbrew increasing their armour to 419mm on the turret.

Edited February 20, 2017 by *swanseasean96

[Nope 10,634]

1 minute ago, *swanseasean96 said:

1987 is a bit of a power creep considering top tier for other countries is 1968 (UK) and 1972 (US) 

 

If other countries get vehicles to match then yes but until that time Germany already leads the game in service dates. 

 

Mk.10 Chieftain is 1985 and the the USA would get left behind as the Abrams was introduced in 1980 which leaves them trailing as composite is a no go from Gaijin.

 

Are you seriously saying that the Abrams is worse than the Chieftain mk 10? How so other than introduction date? Mobility is won by the Abrams, same goes for armor.

[swanseasean96@psn 382]

31 minutes ago, Nope said:

 

Are you seriously saying that the Abrams is worse than the Chieftain mk 10? How so other than introduction date? Mobility is won by the Abrams, same goes for armor.

 

maybe you should re-read what i said...   Mk.10 Chieftain is 1985 and the the USA would get left behind as the Abrams was introduced in 1980 which leaves them trailing as composite is a no go from Gaijin.

 

If you had read what i said you would have seen i clearly said theyd get left behind in game as they cannot have the Abrams due to it having composite armour before trying to start something on the forum at least make sure you read what was said initially.

Edited February 20, 2017 by *swanseasean96

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

There you go. Finely something more appropriate ! Can give this a thumb up. Although isn't A3 better for game purpose ? New welded turret etc. A3 is in fact last production variant and A5 is last modification variant where they mostly focused on changing fire control systems, modified NBC protection, firepower, speed, armour is almost the same.

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

28 minutes ago, Wilhuff_Tarkin_ said:

There you go. Finely something more appropriate ! Can give this a thumb up. Although isn't A3 better for game purpose ? New welded turret etc. A3 is in fact last production variant and A5 is last modification variant where they mostly focused on changing fire control systems, modified NBC protection, firepower, speed, armour is almost the same.

 

Would you be so kind as to make a suggestion for the Leopard 1A3?

[SAUBER_KH7 3,326]

9 minutes ago, Rohrkrepiererer said:

 

Would you be so kind as to make a suggestion for the Leopard 1A3?

I would personally like the Leopard 1A6 with the 120mm gun.

 

 

Edited February 21, 2017 by SAUBER_KH7

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

37 minutes ago, SAUBER_KH7 said:

I would personally like the Leopard 1A6 with the 120mm gun.

 

 

The Keiler would be better balanced

[Dark_Lord__94@psn 1,900]

Gonna have to say no. Along with don't you think you're jumping the gun a tad bit. I mean you're good to suggest whatever you want but just because it does doesn't mean it'll go anywhere. 

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

8 hours ago, Rohrkrepiererer said:

Would you be so kind as to make a suggestion for the Leopard 1A3?

You missed my point. I'm not against new german tanks but this particular versions modifications are based on upgrading Fire control system, rangefinders etc. A3, A4 had new turret, it would give them visual difference. New Leopards will be needed in release Tech Tree but why you jump into future so rapidly ? 1976, 1986...

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

1 hour ago, Wilhuff_Tarkin_ said:

You missed my point. I'm not against new german tanks but this particular versions modifications are based on upgrading Fire control system, rangefinders etc. A3, A4 had new turret, it would give them visual difference. New Leopards will be needed in release Tech Tree but why you jump into future so rapidly ? 1976, 1986...

Because I don't want another Leopard that looks exactly like the first ones.