tanks/vehicles PANHARD AML 60 / 60-20

[*CaptDaisy97 520]

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PANHARD AML 60

( Auto Mitrailleuse Légère )

 

 

 

 

 

 

DESCRIPTION

 

Designed to meet the needs of the Algerian war, the light Panhard machine is an original material of which several thousand copies have been sold around the world. From 1962 to 1963, it was supported by airborne, mountain and naval infantry units.

 

For this it has been studied and realized Légère (- of 5 t). The term 60 corresponds to its armament: a mortar barrel of 60 mm. It is available in two versions 60-7 with two machine guns of 7.5 and 60-12 with a 12.7. It was replaced by the ELC Sagaie light combat equipment, also manufactured by Panhard.

 

Designed to meet the needs of the Algerian war, the light Panhard machine is an original material of which several thousand copies have been sold around the world. From 1962 to 1963, it was supported by airborne, mountain and naval infantry units. For this it has been studied and realized Légère (- of 5 t).

The term 60 corresponds to its armament: a mortar barrel of 60 mm model Brandt. It is available in two versions 60-7 with two machine guns of 7.5 and 60-12 with a 12.7. It was replaced by the ELC Sagaie light combat equipment, also manufactured by Panhard.

 

HISTORY BACKGROUND

 

 

During the 1950s, the French army used Daimler Ferret in large numbers. She decides to adopt a machine gun of national design and Panhard presents a prototype in 1957, armed with a very rudimentary mortar. The company won the AMX light crawler engine project and the Berliet project.

 

The production of the AML series (called AML 245 by this company) began in 1960. Panhard had already delivered to the army the AMD 165/175 in 1938/1940 and the AMD 178 in 1945/49. Since its adoption, more than 4,000 vehicles have been delivered and the manufacture has been exported for a long time. In the French production, of which more than 900 copies are intended for the French army and the armored mobile gendarmerie group, are added 1,600 AML 60/90 manufactured under license by South Africa under the name Eland Mk7 / Eland 60 / 90.

 

As of January 1, 1989, in addition to the vehicles of the overseas units, 439 AML 60 and 188 AML 90, or 735 vehicles, are on the French metropolitan territory. All AML 60 and 188 AML 90 for Reservist units of the operational defense of the territory, 72 AML 90 for the Rapid Action Force and 36 others in the 1st Army.

 

They will be withdrawn from service in the 90s. The M3 Panhard transport vehicle is a variant of the AML-60 and uses most of its components. Designed in 1969, it was manufactured in 1200 copies from 1971 to 1986 and sold exclusively for export.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In 1950, the heavy and complex Panhard EBR entered service. However, the staff needed a lighter and faster reconnaissance vehicle to patrol the colonial areas and many other tasks open to cheaper vehicles.

 

As an alternative, the government bought the British Daimler ferrets, widely used in the counterinsurgency of the Algerian war, while the heavier EBRs and the wartime M8 Greyhounds were no less mobile. . The state of this theater of operations, consisting of rapid skirmishes in mountainous terrain, imposed a vehicle capable of firing indirectly with a mortar and a vehicle easier to use and maintain (the "contingent" raised that was sent was made of raw recruits).

 

Thus, in 1956, the French Government published a specification for a vehicle of dimensions and layout similar to that of Ferret, on which was mounted a mortar loading by the breech. Panhard responded quickly to the call with the Model 245 Auto Mitrailleuse Légère Gun or A.M.L. in 1959, which was tested at the same time as the Saviem and DEFA-AMX models, but accepted for service.

 

TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS

 

 

Dimensions and weight
Mass	4.8 tonnes
Length	4.15 m
Width	1.97 m
Height	2.07 m
Ground clearance	( ? )
Armament
Main gun	60 mm CM60A1 Brandt
Ammunition load	HEAT ( ? )
Machine gun	1 x 7.62 AAN-F1
Ammunition load	( ? )
Elevation	( ? )
Traverse	360o
Mobility
Engine	Panhard modèle 4 HD 4 cylinders
Engine power	90 hp ( 66.2 kW ) 4700 rpm
Maximum speed on road	100 km/h
Mass / Power	16 4 hp / tonne

Protection
Overall structure	12 mm ( steel )

 

 

 

Sources

Spoiler

 

 

Chars-francais.net

 

 

tanks-encyclopedia.com

 

 

fnaca-estrablin.fr

 

 

militaryfactory.com

 

 

books.google.fr

 

 

books.google.fr

 

 

 

 

 

Elise.

Edited March 19, 2019 by *Elise_DoumDoum
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[SAUBER_KH7 3,325]

Open for Discussion.

[ВернемУкраину 284]

Bad ballistic , high BR , no armour , low speed(as every armored car in WT)

[IxiRip 182]

+1 It does have a heat shell and it's one of the most used french armored car.

(Btw maybe we could get other variants with a 60mm gun later?)

 

If we get it as a premium tech tree AC then gaijin will disappoint me a lot.

 

[Querulous1 3,276]

Hopefully not as a premium

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

how good is the pen on the 60mm HEAT shell?

[TheLastYouSee__@psn 281]

id rather have the AML 60-20 personally with the improved serval turret. but it be great to have both of those if any at all.
 

[Delta_48 471]

I don't see this being all that useful... especially since it'll most likely be in tier V or IV because of the fact it was made in the '60s

[*CaptDaisy97 520]

On 08/05/2018 at 05:05, Admiral_Aruon said:

how good is the pen on the 60mm HEAT shell?

 

~ 200 mm

 

[Milocat 4,848]

Could be a fun armored car with good HEAT.  +1.

[STEEL_GUNNER 231]

It could have :

• Obus M 61 explosif à une portée maximale de 2 240 mètres,
• Obus M 63 éclairant d'une puissance de 180 000 candelas pendant 30 secondes à 2 200 m,
• Obus M 72 explosif à 2 650 m,
• Obus antiblindé à charge creuse (tir direct) à 500 m,
• Canister d'autodéfense à 50 m

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard_AML

 

-M 61 HE :range 2 240m

-M 72 HE :range 2 650m

-HEAT (direct fire) :range 500m

-M 63 flare :range 2 200m 180 000 candelas for 30 s

- defence canister :range 50m

[Kasukaru 2,164]

+1 but not the mortar version, please.

[FORMATOSE 901]

French 60 mm F601 APFSDS for the Brandt 60 mm gun-mortar :

 

Edited December 19, 2019 by Auto_tracking

[Matt_82 1,096]

Been playing the AML-90 today.  It's fun.  I'm guessing that a version with 60mm HEAT and a 20mm would be entertaining as well.

[Wolf_89 2,524]

Gib pls

There are a few more Panhard AML that they could add.

And should be easy. Since we have the AML-90.

Like:

French AML-60-20 with CNMP turret. Was for Export. So could work as GE vehicle.

Irish AML-20 could be a nice GE prem for UK/Commonwealth tree.

 

Prob 1 or 2 more that could be added

 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Wolf_89

[MS Phantasm@live 7]

At least one of the AML-60's should be added. France definitely needs it's more LAV's and armored cars.

[Valcour 1,141]

+1   I love the AML-90.

 

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

This should be a premium while the 60-20 Serval should go in the main TT.

pictured : AML Serval (60mm in turret, 20mm on top, 7.62 commander,  has APFSDS)

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On 19/12/2019 at 13:22, FORMATOSE said:

French 60 mm F601 APFSDS for the Brandt 60 mm gun-mortar :

 

That's for the 60mm Long Range, the one on the AML 60-20 Serval turret. the pictured AML 60 has the 60A1, HEAT only. (1year, it's almost necro at this point)

Edited December 21, 2020 by nxdefiant001

[Kasukaru 2,164]

On 21/12/2020 at 22:55, nxdefiant001 said:

This should be a premium while the 60-20 Serval should go in the main TT.

Don't worry, if it makes sense, Gaijin will do exactly the opposite. And they will do it in 5 years.

[CaID 8,992]

25mm At 45 mean how much in flat surface?

 

i checked the 20mm coaxial. it seem to be a M621 who was an autocannon based on the MG 151. but fear not because they had made his penetration much better than the MG151/20. it have a velocity of 1030 m/sec with AP rounds who weight 0.101 kg. according to Gaijin penetrator it shall get to around 40mm at 100m wich is not bad for a Coax. its enough to be a treat to any light tank and even some medium tank. if the APFSDS or the HEAT of the 60mm can penetrate more than 70mm (on flat hit), i would certainly think it have his place. if it have better penetration then it would have even better reason to be ingame.

 

according to some calculation. 25mm of penetration at 45 degree should give around 42mm at 90degree. it sound a bit low to me.

 

anyone can calculate the penetration from this angled result?

 

from Warthunder calculation. a round of 1.550 kg flying at 800 m/sec should give about 61mm of penetration at 1000m. but this is a APFSDS round wich mean the penetration is likely to be much higher as its a sub calibraded round, likely around 150mm. unless the round is not that heavy.

Edited December 23, 2020 by CaID

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

On 23/12/2020 at 06:43, CaID said:

from Warthunder calculation. a round of 1.550 kg flying at 800 m/sec should give about 61mm of penetration at 1000m. but this is a APFSDS round wich mean the penetration is likely to be much higher as its a sub calibraded round, likely around 150mm. unless the round is not that heavy.

It is not that heavy 

It is a 0.45kg, 220mm long, im not sure if it is a steel core or a tungsten core

And we get stats for the HEAT 60mm OCCHB round (compatible with both HB 60 from the suggestion and 60LP of the Serval)

Spoiler

 

 

I remember reading the autocanon being a M693/20F2 but i need to find the source again

 

Edit : Jane's is not the best source but it will suffice

"Hispano-Suiza Serval 60/20"

M621 is usually for when there is more than one 20mm and you need less recoil (e.g : Kriss twin 20mm,) but not always (e.g 53T4), and very very light turrets or for air vehicles ( M621 pod) due to being half the weight of M693.

Spoiler

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by nxdefiant001
edit : added informartion

[Atomeur 529]

I found this, it looks close to this vehicle.

https://histoire-militaire.pagesperso-orange.fr/infanterie/autopanhard.htm

[Cedjoe 5,482]

19 hours ago, Atomeur said:

I found this, it looks close to this vehicle.

https://histoire-militaire.pagesperso-orange.fr/infanterie/autopanhard.htm

That’s the early AML-60 prototype aka AML 242.

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

List of the  AML 60s with 20mm variant :

 

 

AML 60-20 121

an AML with a 60CS (60mm HEAT only) and a 20mm type 121

Spoiler

 

 

 

AML 60-20 M621

60CS (60CC HEAT round only) in the same turret but the 121 is replaced with a M621/ 20F1

Spoiler

 

 

AML 60/20 Serval

The main gun is now a 60LP with APFSDS and HEAT, coaxial 20mm is now a 20F2 and roof mounted

Spoiler

 

 

Ammunition data for mortars

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[hienapunk 1,064]

On 03/10/2021 at 06:46, Atomeur said:

I found this, it looks close to this vehicle.

https://histoire-militaire.pagesperso-orange.fr/infanterie/autopanhard.htm

 

It looks like something from the star wars prequels