Type 98 Ke-Ni Production Model

[onemax9000 1,243]

 

 

This is the production model of the Type 98 Ke-Ni, as distinguished by the larger turret and more angular hull. The turret of the prototypes was found to be too small and uncomfortable for tank crews, which led to the larger cylindrical turret being developed. This turret was also used for the Type 2 Ke-To and Type 2 Ka-Mi tanks. The one in game is the model "A" prototype.

 

Hull:

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Engine Deck:

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Lifted superstructure:

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Specifications Type 98 Ke-Ni Production Model:

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Specifications (Type 98 Ke-Ni Production Model)
Weight	7.2 metric tons (7.1 long tons; 7.9 short tons)
Length	4.11 m (13 ft 6 in)
Width	2.12 m (6 ft 11 in)
Height	1.82 m (6 ft 0 in)
Crew	3
Armor	10–16 mm (0.39–0.63 in)
Main armament	Type 100 37 mm (1.46 in) gun
Secondary armament	1 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Type 97 machine gun
Engine	Mitsubishi Type 100 air-cooled I-6 diesel 130 hp (97 kW)
Suspension	Bell crank
Operational range	300 km (190 mi)
Speed	50 km/h (31 mph)

 

Source:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_98_Ke-Ni_light_tank

http://www.ww2technik.de/Bilderchen/jappanzer/leicht/Typ 98/

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php/15610-IJA-Armoured-Vighting-Vehicles/page2

 

 

Edited November 29, 2018 by onemax9000

[leroyonly 4,310]

Open for discussion. 

[Tasty95215 2,099]

Hello, I would like to clarify some things - the Ke-Ni that is shown here is actually the production model Ke-Ni. The tank that we have in game is actually the prototype. We can tell from a few features between the tanks:

• The in-game Ke-Ni has the following:
  • 12mm of armor at the most
  • Conical turret
  • Rounded hull

It is based primarily off of this picture of the prototype: 

 

The production model Ke-Ni differed in the following ways:

• 16mm of armor at most
• Larger cylindrical turret
• More angled hull

This is further supported by the Ke-Ni's operator manual, found on this website: http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/newpage51.html

 

 

The specifications are also given for the production model Ke-Ni there:

 

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自重 Self Weight			６．２トン 6.2 tons
全備重量 Total W			７．２トン 7.2 tons
乗員 Crew			３名 3 people
寸 　　　法 (Dimen-sions)	全長  Full length		４．１１０メートル 4.110 meters
	全　幅 Full width		２．１２０メートル 2.120 meters
	全　高 Full height		１．８２０メートル 1.820 meters
	履帯中心距離 Track center distance		１．８４６メートル 1.846 meters
	最低地上高 minimum ground clearance		０．３５メート 0.35 meters
変　速　機 Transmission			１～４速   1~4 gears 後退   reverse
燃料搭載料 Fuel load			正　４８リットル Primary 48 liters 副　４０リットル Secondary 40 liters 副　４０リットル Secondary 40 liters
潤滑油搭載料 Lubrication oil load			３６リットル 36 liters
最　高　速　度 Top speed			時速５０キロ 50 kph
登　坂　能　力 Slope climbing ability			２／３（短斜面１／１） 2/3 (Short Slope 1/1)
超　壕　能　力 Trench crossing ability			２．１メートル 2.1 meters
徒　渉　能　力 Wading ability			１．０メートル 1.0 meter
運　行　時　間 Operational time			１０時間 10 hours
装甲 Armor	砲塔 turret	前面 Front 側面 Side 後面 Rear 上面 Roof	１６ミリ 16 mm １６ミリ 16 mm １６ミリ 16 mm ６ミリ 6 mm
	車体 chassis	前面 Front 側面 Side 後面 Rear 上面 Roof 底面 Floor	１６ミリ 16 mm １２ミリ 12 mm １０ミリ 10 mm ６ミリ 6 mm ６ミリ 6 mm
武　装  Armament			一〇〇式三七粍戦車砲 Type 100 37mm tank gun 九七式車載重機関銃 Type 97 heavy tank machine gun
弾　薬 Ammunition			機関銃弾　３１６０発 3160 rounds of MG ammo 砲　弾　　１０６発 106 tank shells
覘望 覘視 装置 observation equipment	砲　　塔 Turret		覘視孔（覘視溝）－３   拳銃孔（覘視孔）－３   丸型覘視孔（展望窓）－２
	車　　体 Chassis		覘視孔（覘視溝）－３
無　線　機 Radio			車載無線機乙及丙各１ 1 each of Tank Radio Hei and Otsu 　又は車載無線機丙１ Or 1 of Tank Radio Hei

 

 

Those specifications took way too long to translate, but hopefully that's helpful.

 

Anyways, since this is the production model and not the prototype, the description and title should probably be changed a little bit. Probably something along the lines of:

 

"This is the production model of the Type 98 Ke-Ni, as distinguished by the larger turret and more angular hull. The turret of the prototypes was found to be too small and uncomfortable for tank crews, which led to the larger cylindrical turret being developed. This turret was also used for the Type 2 Ke-To and Type 2 Ka-Mi tanks."

Edited September 28, 2018 by Tasty95215

[onemax9000 1,243]

Just now, Tasty95215 said:

Hello, I would like to clarify some things - the Ke-Ni that is shown here is actually the production model Ke-Ni. The tank that we have in game is actually the prototype. We can tell from a few features between the tanks:

• The in-game Ke-Ni has the following:
  • 12mm of armor at the most
  • Conical turret
  • Rounded hull

It is based primarily off of this picture of the prototype: 

 

The production model Ke-Ni differed in the following ways:

• 16mm of armor at most
• Larger cylindrical turret
• More angled hull

This is further supported by the Ke-Ni's operator manual, found on this website: http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/newpage51.html

 

 

The specifications are also given for the production model Ke-Ni there:

 

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自重 Self Weight			６．２トン 6.2 tons
全備重量 Total W			７．２トン 7.2 tons
乗員 Crew			３名 3 people
寸 　　　法 (Dimen-sions)	全長  Full length		４．１１０メートル 4.110 meters
	全　幅 Full width		２．１２０メートル 2.120 meters
	全　高 Full height		１．８２０メートル 1.820 meters
	履帯中心距離 Track center distance		１．８４６メートル 1.846 meters
	最低地上高 minimum ground clearance		０．３５メートル 0.35 meters
変　速　機 Transmission			１～４速   1~4 gears 後退   reverse
燃料搭載料 Fuel load			正　４８リットル Primary 48 liters 副　４０リットル Secondary 40 liters 副　４０リットル Secondary 40 liters
潤滑油搭載料 Lubrication oil load			３６リットル 36 liters
最　高　速　度 Top speed			時速５０キロ 50 k
登　坂　能　力 Slope climbing ability			２／３（短斜面１／１） 2/3 (Short Slope 1/1)
超　壕　能　力 Trench crossing ability			２．１メートル 2.1 meters
徒　渉　能　力 Wading ability			１．０メートル 1.0 meter
運　行　時　間 Operational time			１０時間 10 hours
装甲 Armor	砲塔 turret	前面 Front 側面 Side 後面 Rear 上面 Roof	１６ミリ 16 mm １６ミリ 16 mm １６ミリ 16 mm ６ミリ 6 mm
	車体 chassis	前面 Front 側面 Side 後面 Rear 上面 Roof 底面 Floor	１６ミリ 16 mm １２ミリ 12 mm １０ミリ 10 mm ６ミリ 6 mm ６ミリ 6 mm
武　装  Armament			一〇〇式三七粍戦車砲 Type 100 37mm tank gun 九七式車載重機関銃 Type 97 heavy tank machine gun
弾　薬 Ammunition			機関銃弾　３１６０発3160 rounds of MG ammo 砲　　弾　　１０６発 106 tank shells
覘望 覘視 装置 observation equipment	砲　　塔 Turret		覘視孔（覘視溝）－３   拳銃孔（覘視孔）－３   丸型覘視孔（展望窓）－２
	車　　体 Chassis		覘視孔（覘視溝）－３
無　線　機 Radio			車載無線機乙及丙各１ 1 each of Tank Radio Hei and Otsu 　又は車載無線機丙１ Or 1 of Tank Radio Hei

 

 

Those specifications took way too long to translate, but hopefully that's helpful.

 

Anyways, since this is the production model and not the, the description and title should probably be changed a little bit. Probably something along the lines of:

 

"This is the model of the Type 98 Ke-Ni, as distinguished by the larger turret and more angular hull. The turret of the prototypes was found to be too small and uncomfortable for tank crews, which led to the larger cylindrical turret being developed. This turret was also used for the Type 2 Ke-To and Type 2 Ka-Mi tanks."

so this is the prototype

and this is the production ? i relly want to know which is which since there was 3-4 ke-ni's

[Tasty95215 2,099]

1 minute ago, onemax9000 said:

so this is the prototype

and this is the production ? i relly want to know which is which since there was 3-4 ke-ni's

 

Yes, that's right. So technically there are a total of 3 Ke-Ni light tanks - the Prototype A (what we have in War Thunder already), the Prototype B (which had Christie suspension, there's a suggestion for it here) and the Production model Ke-Ni, which is the one I described in my post and you have pictures of in the OP. Hope this clears things up for you!

[onemax9000 1,243]

ok im renaming it to the ke-ni production model

Edited September 28, 2018 by onemax9000

[Milocat 4,854]

Love the Ke-Ni we have, so I have to support this one too!  +1.

[_N4MELESS_ 2,972]

Ofc i want this darn thing! The ke-ni with hexagonal  hull was the one i expected to see in war thunder not the one with rounded hull.

The So-Ki in the game has Ke-Ni production chassis.

The one in this image is ke-to btw but they all  shared the same chassis.

 

Edited October 5, 2018 by I_NAMELESS_I

[BrentD15@psn 1,117]

Japan needs more love.

+1

[_N4MELESS_ 2,972]

Almost all of other Type 98 Ke-Ni Light Tanks.

Edited October 19, 2018 by I_NAMELESS_I

[BrentD15@psn 1,117]

On 19/10/2018 at 13:54, I_NAMELESS_I said:

Almost all of other Type 98 Ke-Ni Light Tanks.

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Nameless, your renders are sublime. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by *BrentD15

[kamikazi21358 998]

Why don’t we replace the in tree version with the production model, and make the prototype a potential premium?

[_N4MELESS_ 2,972]

1 hour ago, kamikazi21358 said:

Why don’t we replace the in tree version with the production model, and make the prototype a potential premium?

No need, We should have ke-ni proto and production in tech tree while protype B with christie suspension is premium, sounds better this way to me.

[Portugueseotaku 43]

Ah so the Ke-Ni we have is a prototype. But what are the differences Ke-Ni and Ke-To then?

 

Also +1.

[Tasty95215 2,099]

2 hours ago, Portugueseotaku said:

Ah so the Ke-Ni we have is a prototype. But what are the differences Ke-Ni and Ke-To then?

 

Also +1.

 

The only difference between the production model Ke-Ni and the Ke-To is that the Ke-Ni uses the Type 100 37mm and that the Ke-To uses the Type 1 37mm. I have heard that the Ke-To might have gotten wider tracks, though I'm not 100% sure on that one. In any case, it's a pretty small difference either way.

[Miki_Hoshii 2,449]

Honestly, i'd rather they straight up change the model of the Ke-Ni to the production vehicle.

[onemax9000 1,243]

23 hours ago, Miki_Hoshii said:

Honestly, i'd rather they straight up change the model of the Ke-Ni to the production vehicle.

Why not have all of the possible Japanese tanks to fill up the tree that helps if you need a line up.

[kamikazi21358 998]

8 minutes ago, onemax9000 said:

Why not have all of the possible Japanese tanks to fill up the tree that helps if you need a line up.

If so, I think the prototype should be in an expandable folder after the used one or something.  Players should not have to be forced to grind though proto tanks if real tanks are available in it’s place.

[Tasty95215 2,099]

I agree with putting the current Ke-Ni in with its production model instead of just replacing it. While the current version is just a prototype, it's distinct enough from the production model that I'd rather not get rid of it. Not to mention, I doubt Gaijin would want to discard the work they put into making the model. Or, now that I think about it, the work that some other company put into it that Gaijin paid for.

[BrentD15@psn 1,117]

Let's get this added to the tree!

[eleks12 1,079]

+1 But images are broken.

[onemax9000 1,243]

On 01/04/2021 at 15:59, eleks12 said:

 

+1 But images are broken.

 

Might be from a ad blocker ? I can see all of the photos both on my phone and pc.

Edited April 4, 2021 by onemax9000

[Cpt_Jack_Irons 464]

+1 We need more Early Japanese Tanks in game

[Tasty95215 2,099]

I reposted the tank images onto Imgur in case they weren't appearing for anyone else. @onemax9000, do you think you could replace the image links with these?:

 

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These two pictures are supposedly of the Type 2 Ke-To, not the Type 98 Ke-Ni, but it's unclear what the difference actually is between the two tanks anyways besides maybe the gun (Ke-Ni uses the 37mm Type 100 while Ke-To uses the 37mm Type 1):

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Also here's a technical drawing that gives a better idea of how the tank's hull is shaped. I'm not sure it's completely accurate though, given how the hull edges seem to jut out more compared to the photos:

 

For reference, all images (besides the Ke-To ones) come from this website: http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/newpage51.html.

The website also mentions that the elevation angle was +15 and depression was -25, very different from the Ka-Mi despite both tanks using similar turrets. This might be due to the different gun breech affecting the angles, since the Ke-Ni uses the Type 100 while the Ka-Mi uses the larger Type 1.

Edited April 21, 2021 by Tasty95215

[Miki_Hoshii 2,449]

On 21/04/2021 at 02:19, Tasty95215 said:

Also here's a technical drawing that gives a better idea of how the tank's hull is shaped. I'm not sure it's completely accurate though, given how the hull edges seem to jut out more compared to the photos:

 

 

It looks like it juts out because neither the tracks/suspension or the mudguards are included in the technical drawing.