FV4201 'Chieftain' Mark 11 modification for Chieftain Mark 10 (Chieftain Mark 10 with Thermal Sights)

[idiot400 664]

+1, would make this thing more relevant.

[Jamwich 352]

Excellent, +1 from meesa.

[Templar_ 733]

+1, I was planning on suggesting this myself but never actually got round to it.

[James159014@psn 35]

+1, looks good, I may ever reach it, but would like to see it in game

[OLMSSON 170]

+1

[The-Bunkers-7@psn 220]

+1

[The_Centurion_ 6]

i don't get it why mk 5 got 8.7 br while the performance is exactly like mk 3 but a little bit faster , also i think mk 10 should be removed? cause like its doesn't have thermals while all other factions (except for russians ) have thermals in br 9.0 and it can't go to br 8,7 cause of the turret armour / penetration and the laser range finder so replacing it with mk11 would be a better idea.

[Zev_Winters 313]

A 5/4 mod for the mk5 to give it APFSDS would justify the BR placement.

 

As for the mk10, I'd be okay with either thermal sight being added; or L23 stock and L23A1 as a tier 4 upgrade.

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

3 hours ago, Zev_Winters said:

or L23 stock and L23A1 as a tier 4 upgrade.

L23 shouldn't exist at all, it's a fake round.

 

All tanks with L23 in game should just have L23A1 instead in the same spot.

[Zev_Winters 313]

That works, but I was assuming Gaijin aren't changing it, since it's been on the thing since 2017.

[TwitchyNGL 595]

I think normal L23 is Gaijins way of nerfing British ammo to have more linear progression in the same way other countries get pushed with stock HEAT around this BR. Definitively the British were well aware of how APFSDS worked and L64 and L23 were iirc specifically mentioned to be second generation while describing M735 as 1st generation APFSDS. As it stands right now for NATO stuff it's only L23 and M735 that have the shoddier penetration slope modifiers.  

And Chieftain Mk 10 apart from being in a weird place where it gets older slower reloads (same issue with most 9.3 and lower tanks like XM-1 loading slower than M1) it also gets this hypothetical APFSDS made to have performance more in line with other APFSDS at the BR. Unlike most other tanks at the BR though it's slow as hell and has no thermals. 

[CubicSquare 156]

+1 Nice.

[Zev_Winters 313]

On 02/09/2021 at 04:04, TwitchyTrooper said:

I think normal L23 is Gaijins way of nerfing British ammo to have more linear progression in the same way other countries get pushed with stock HEAT around this BR

 

Actually, scratch what I said before. Challenger mk3 and Vickers Mk7's default ammo is L23A1 now. Nothing stopping the Chieftain mk10 getting L23A1 as a mod instead of L23.

[AxeForge 4]

if you look at the model it is a Mark 11 and they did do it for other tanks

[Yontzee 1,673]

+1

[blockhaj 3,559]

Considering that we already have 3 chieftains i think the mk11 should be a mod for the existing mk10.

[Mr_Pokemon26295 358]

1 year 6 months later* I still agree it should come as a modification or some sort

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

+1 from me but as a separate vehicle not a modification. Simple reason being more tanks for Brits at 9.0. It would give you at least two Stillbrew Chieftains at similar BR with APFSDS-T, NVG and Laser rangefinder. Also APDS nonsense should go away as well, if I recall corectly from Mk5/1 onwards chieftains couldn't even carry APDS due to modified ammo racks or something like that and should only be fitted with APFSDS-T, but don't quote me on that. Plus gameplaywise the only thing this tank has going for it is it's gun, stock ammo grind just makes it too miserable.

 

O the side note i still can't get over the fact that whenever German or Russian tank is slightly underperforming it's BR is getting immediately adjusted even if it's purely the players fault, like german M48 at 6.7. But Chieftains has been getting short end of the stick for years now and mostly due to mixed matchmaking, map design and other factors unrelated to player performance. By all accounts even Mk10/11 shouldn't be higher than 8.0 in current meta. I do belive this is a solid 9.0 tank and could do quite well in defensive role against T-72As and T-64As but the moment you take it away from that scenario and put it against faster, more agile, lighter western MBTs with comparable firepower and optics like Leo1A5s or Type-74Gs it gets dominated into oblivion. I bet it would do well against AMX-30B2 and M60A3TTS well too as it has some advantages against them too.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Wilhuff_Tarkin_

[Flame2512 3,384]

This would be a great addition

[WNxDavid990 166]

+1. Though rather than a vehicle modification, make it a a Premium vehicle to replace the Shoot Kill Delete we lost with the addition of Israel. That way, we get a top tier prem tank that's on par with the XM-1s, Leo A1A1 L/44s and TURMS currently in the game.

[OddPhenomena 1,015]

This should definitely be added, but I personally feel it should be a separate vehicle, foldered with the Chieftain Mk.10 perhaps. To add on to the post, some extra pictures will be below.

 

Spoiler

 

TOGS system, noted by the almost rectangle shape, as opposed to the circle.

 

Side view of TOGS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by OddPhenomena

[TwitchyNGL 595]

Mk 10 is comically bad at 9.0 when apart from poor speed, slow reload, it's best ammo Shot L23 is worse than 8.3 darts. 

[CokeSpray 7,272]

Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.