romania Romanian Land Forces Sub-tree - Viața este o bătălie (Updated 17JUN23)

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Romanian Land Forces Sub-tree - Viața este o bătălie

A Romanian TR-85M1 Bizonul during a military parade.

 

The Romanian Sub-tree Visual:

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• Notes:
  • I tried to fill out the tree with Italian vehicles that are not currently in-game however, I'm not that well knowledgeable with Italian designs.
  • The C13/TUA is equipped with TOW-2A/TOW-2B's. 
  • Added Bulgarian vehicles (since they were part of the Axis and Gaijin intends on turning the tree more Axis-affiliated) to add some spice. 
  • Used Copy and Paste to help support sections of the Italian Tree such as the 9K33 Osa-AKM. 
  • The M1A2 SEPv3 is a pretty debatable addition, I only added it because Romania intends to purchase them. 
    • Remember these vehicles are fluid and can be added or removed as necessary.

 

• Description :
  • The modern Romanian Land Forces, first founded on the 29th of November, 1859, is the primary ground forces of the Eastern European country of Romania. The modern Romanian Army has took part during several armed conflicts over its 161 years of existence, such as during the Romanian War of Independence, World War I as part of the Allied Powers, World War II as part of the Axis Powers, the Romanian Revolution, provided security during the aftermath of the Yugoslav Wars, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraqi War. During these conflicts, the Romanian Army received many different vehicles from nations all across Europe as well as developed some of their own indigenous derivates of modern vehicles. In 2004, Romania became an active member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO. Romania continues today, currently modernizing its military hardware to support national security as well as support future NATO missions.
  • This suggestion is for the implementation of Romanian Army equipment in a sub-tree for the German Ground Tree, Italian Ground Tree, or the U.S.S.R. Ground Tree due to the History and use of vehicles between the countries. 
    • Reason for Germany: Romania, since World War II, has had strong relations with Germany, supporting the country during armed conflicts as well as having tight knit economic relations. Not only this, but Romania has used several German vehicles as well as shared many vehicles during the time of the Warsaw Pact. With the addition of future East German vehicles, it only helps this cause. Not to mention Romania continues to use German vehicles to this day.
    • Reason for U.S.S.R.: As a former member of the Warsaw Pact, Romania has used several vehicles from the former Soviet Union. Not only this, but several Romanian vehicles continue to be designed with influence from the former Soviet Union.
    • Reason for Italy: Italy and Romania also fought hand-in-hand during World War II and shared a decent amount of its military hardware with Romania. Not to mention Italy lacks vehicles throughout it's Tech Tree. Supplying it Romanian vehicles as well as possible Hungarian vehicles would allow the Italian Ground Tree to "fill out" around mid-ranks up until Rank VI. 
  • Opinion:
    • The tree best suits Germany due to the fact Gaijin will be implementing East German vehicles which are primarily Soviet vehicles for the German Tree. Vehicles like the T-72M which we won't see in the U.S.S.R. tree but is expected for Germany, would be ideal to have a Romanian camouflage  added. Not only this, Romania uses vehicles like the Gepard 1A2 as well as Soviet based designs which allows players to create Romanian lineups with existing German vehicles in-game. For all the German vehicles Romania has used, they should have Romania-unique camouflages and insignias for them.
    • The only other viable option is Italy due to the fact Italy also was an axis power who shared a lot of military equipment with Romania during WWII. Another important factor is the need to fill the Italian Ground Forces Tree, especially since vehicles throughout the Ground Tree are limited. 
• The vehicles being added are primarily going to be vehicles used in active service, even in low quantity. Prototypes will try to be allocated towards event vehicles as well as premiums. As more vehicles and information is released, this sub-tree will be updated. 
• Some vehicles/future vehicles that need Romanian camouflage patterns for the German Tree:
  • Sd.Kfz.222 Armored Car
  • Panzer 35(t)/R-2 Light Tank
  • Panzer 38(t)/T-38 Light Tank
  • Panzer III ausf. N/T-3N Medium Tank
  • Panzer IV ausf. H/T-4H Medium Tank
  • Panzer IV aust. J/T-4J Medium Tank
  • Stug III ausf. G/TAs Tank Destroyer
  • Panther ausf. A/T-5A Medium Tank
  • Panther ausf. D/T-5D Medium Tank
  • Panther ausf. G/T-5G Medium Tank
  • T-34-85 Medium Tank
  • ZSU-57-2 Anti-Aircraft Vehicle
  • 2S1 Gvozdika Self-Propelled Howitzer
  • 9P122 “Malyutka” ATGM Vehicle
  • 9P148 “Konkurs” ATGM Vehicle
  • T-55A Main Battle Tank
  • T-55AM Main Battle Tank
  • T-72 Ural Main Battle Tank
  • Gepard 2BL Anti-Aircraft Vehicle
  • 9K22 Osa SAM Vehicle
• Some vehicles/future vehicles that need Romanian camouflage patterns for the U.S.S.R. Tree:
  • T-34-85 Medium Tank
  • ZSU-57-2 Anti-Aircraft Vehicle
  • 2S1 Gvozdika Self-Propelled Howitzer
  • 9P122 “Malyutka” ATGM Vehicle
  • 9P148 “Konkurs” ATGM Vehicle
  • T-55A Main Battle Tank
  • T-55AM Main Battle Tank
  • 9K22 Osa SAM Vehicle
• Some vehicles/future vehicles that need Romanian camouflage patterns for the Italian Tree:
  • AB41
• Important Notes :
  • If there are any other ideas for vehicles/modifications to be added, please comment them below in the comments with a source.
  • If any information is incorrect, please comment it with a source. I really appreciate the help from the community! 
  • Looking for community feedback to integrate the Hungarian's in the tree for a Minor-Axis Sub-tree.
  • A special thanks to @PikPikker  for creating the full Romanian Tech Tree as well as being the inspiration for this sub-tree!

Roundel

Roundel of Romania.

 

Camouflage and Emblems

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Romanian R-1 Light Tank.

 

Romanian R-2 [or Panzer 35(5)] Light Tank.

 

Romanian T-55A's in a military parade.

 

Romanian T-55AM2.

 

Romanian T-72M Main Battle Tank.

 

9P133 Malyutka ATGM vehicle which fires the 9M14P1 or Sagger C ATGM.

 

9P148 Konkurs ATGM vehicle.

 

Romanian Gepard 1A2 Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Vehicle.

 

Romanian 9K33 OSA during a firing exercise.

 

The Sub-tree Vehicle List:

 

Vânătorul de Care [VDC] R35 Tank Destroyer

A VDC Tank Destroyer near the frontlines. 

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• Description : 
  • Developed as a stopgap measure towards the end of World War II, the Vânătorul de Care R35, or VDC R35 was a tank destroyer fitted with the Soviet 45mm 20K Tank gun on a Renault R35 chassis. After the Battle of Stalingrad, the need to rearm Romanian armored vehicles was realized after being dealt heavy blows from Soviet T-34 and KV-1 tanks. Development began between 1942 and 1943, with 30 vehicles being produced. By the time the vehicle was produced however, it was already obsolete .
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 45mm 20K Tank Gun
    • Rounds:
      • BR240 APHEBC
      • BR240SP APCR
    • Depression/Elevation: -6°/+22°
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 82hp Renault 447 4cyl Petrol Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical (4-Forward, 1-Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Rubber Springs
  • Max Speed: 20km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 4.02m
  • Width: 1.87m
  • Height:  2.13m
  • Weight: 11.7t
• Crew (2x):
  • Commander/Gunner
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Turret: Up to 40mm Armor plating.
    • Hull: Up to 32mm Armor plating.
• Sources:
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_R35 - General Data
  • https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/romania/vanatorul-de-care-r35/ - General Data

 

 

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An R35 VDC to the left.

 

R35 VDC with the turret facing towards the rear.

 

Side profile of the VDC Tank Destroyer.

 

A VDC seen towards the end of the war.

 

Inside the turret of the VDC. Note the 45mm 20K Tank Gun breech.

 

The only remaining R35 VDC turret. Note the missing exterior mantlet.

 

A Romanian R35 for which the VDC 45mm gun was mated to. 

 

 

 

TACAM T-60 Tank Destroyer

A TACAM T-60 Tank Destroyer built on the Soviet T-60 chassis.

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• Description : 
  • The TACAM T-60 or Tun Anticar pe Afet Mobil T-60, was a Tank Destroyer used by the Romanian Land Forces during World War II. Designed between 1942 and 1943, the TACAM T-60 is a captured Soviet T-60 Light Tank that had its turret removed and replacing it with a pedestal mount housing the Soviet F-22 M-1936 Field Gun. The F-22, not originally designed as an Anti-Tank gun, has high velocity for being a standard field gun, and was repurposed by the Romanians. The TACAM T-60 was designed in response to new Soviet armor such as the T-34 and KV-1 tanks since prior, only utilized R-2 and a few other light tanks. In 1943, 34 were produced serving in the Jassy-Kishniev Offensive and Budapest Offensive. Another variant is the TACAM T-60A which utilized the same gun, however and thicker armor.
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 76.2mm F-22 L/51 Gun (w/ 44rds) 
    • Rounds:
      • BR-350A APHEBC
      • BR-350SP APBC
      • BR-350P APCR
      • BR-350A HEAT
      • BR-350B APHEBC
      • OF-350M HE
      • Sh-354T Shrapnel
      • D-350A Smoke
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+8°
    • Horizontal Traverse: 32°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Coaxial: 7.92mm ZB-53 Machine Gun
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 80hp GAZ 202 6-cyl Petrol Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical (4-Forward, 1-Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar
  • Max Speed: 40km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 4.24m
  • Width: 2.35m
  • Height:  1.75m
  • Weight: 9t
• Crew (x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Turret:15-25mm Armor Plating.
    • Hull. 25-35mm Armor Plating
• Sources:
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACAM_T-60 - General Data
  • https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/08/18/romanian-tanks-in-detail-tacam-t-60-t-60a/ - General Data/Image Dump
  • https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/romania/Tacam_T60.php - General Data
  • https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=241 - General Data
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_divisional_gun_M1936_(F-22)#Ammunition - 76.2mm F-22 Gun

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Rear view of the TACAM T-60.

 

A pair of T-60 Tank Destroyers during a military parade.

 

TACAM T-60 with crew and tank riders.

 

 

TACAM R-2 Tank Destroyer

A  TACAM R-2 on display in Bucharest, Romania.

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• Description:
  • Developed in 1943 in response to the Soviet KV-1 and T-34 tanks, the TACAM R-2 is a Tank Destroyer designed by Romania during World War II. The TACAM R-2, developed from the Panzer 35(t) or Romanian R-2 chassis, was a tank destroyer that removed the turret from the original Czech design and replaced it with an open turret housing a captured Soviet 76.2mm ZiS-3 Anti-Tank Gun. Later in the war with the introduction of the IS-2 Heavy Tanks, Romanian authorities prepared plans to up-gun the TACAM R-2 further using the 75mm Reşiţa Model 1943 anti-tank gun or the German 88mm gun. In the end, only 20 produced by 1944 however, these partook in the Budapest Offensive and the Prague Offensive. 
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 76.2mm ZiS-3 Anti-Tank Gun  
    • Rounds:
      • BR-350A APHEBC
      • BR-350SP APBC
      • BR-350P APCR
      • BR-350A HEAT
      • BR-350B APHEBC
      • OF-350M HE
      • Sh-354T Shrapnel
      • D-350A Smoke
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+15°
    • Horizontal Traverse: 30°
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 120hp Škoda T11 4-cyl Gasoline Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical (6-Forward, 6-Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Leaf Spring
  • Max Speed: 30km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 5.0m
  • Width: 2.06m
  • Height:  2.32m
  • Weight: 12t
• Crew (3x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Hull: 25/16/16mm
    • Cabin: 10-17mm
• Sources:
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACAM_R-2 - General Data
  • https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/03/18/romanian-tanks-in-detail-tacam-r-2/ - General Data
  • https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.php?armor_id=924 - General Data
  • https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/romania/Tacam_R2.php - General Data

 

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A  rear view of the TACAM R-2.

TACAM R-2 Tank Destroyer on display.

 

TACAM R-2 Drawings.

 

 

Video of the last remaining TACAM R-2 Tank Destroyer on display in Bucharest, Romania.

 

 

Ford G917T Hotchkiss Anti-Aircraft Truck

Ford G917T Truck equipped with 2x 25mm Hotchkiss Model 1931 Anti-Aircraft Guns.

 

Ford G917T Truck.

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• Description : 
  • Developed for Romania during World War II, the Ford G917T Hotchkiss Anti-Aircraft Truck is a Romanian Anti-Aircraft platform created by combining the Ford G917T Cargo Truck with the Hotchkiss 25mm Anti-Aircraft Gun in the bed. The Hotchkiss 25mm Anti-Aircraft gun can dismounted from the bed of the truck to set up a position to fire. This truck was used during World War II by the Kingdom of Romania by the Royal Land Forces with an unknown number produced.
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 2x 25mm mitrailleuse de 25 mm contre-aéroplanes modèle 1938 or Hotchkiss model 1938 Anti-Aircraft Guns (w/ 15rd Magazines)
    • Rounds:
      • AP
      • HE 
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+110°
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: Ford 3.6L V-8 Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical
  • Max Speed: ~80km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 6.39m
  • Width: 2.08m
  • Height:  2.175m
  • Weight: 5.8t
• Crew (4x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Loader
  • Driver
• Sources:
  • https://www.fomcc.de/g917.htm - Ford G917T
  • https://www.panzer-bau.de/fahrzeugmodelle-1-35/radfahrzeuge-edw/ford-g917t-modell-1939/ - Ford G917T
  • https://www.o5m6.de/wehrmacht/ford_g917t.php - Ford G917T Photo Dump
  • http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_25mm-60_Hotchkiss.php - Hotchkiss 25mm Anti-aircraft Gun
  • https://ww2db.com/weapon.php?q=243 - Hotchkiss 25mm Anti-aircraft Gun
  • https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=330 - Hotchkiss 25mm Anti-aircraft Gun
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_mm_Hotchkiss_anti-aircraft_gun - Hotchkiss 25mm Anti-aircraft Gun
• Inspiration:

 

 

Mareșal M-05 Tank Destroyer

Visual design of the M-05 Mareșal Tank Destroyer.

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• Description : 
  • The M-05 Mareșal, or Marshal is a Tank Destroyer that was developed by the Roglier Works in the Kingdom of Romania during World War II. Designed between 1942 and 1944, the Mareșal Tank Destroyer featured 9 prototypes which are based on the hull of a captured Soviet T-60 Light Tank. The main prototype that was due for serial production is the M-05 model. This model was tested against the German StuG III ausf. G which it proved superior in gun, utilizing the 75mm Reșița M1943 Gun which proved to have higher velocity, angled armor for deflecting rounds, and increasing survivability, as well in size, being more than half a meter shorter in length. These capabilities drew interest from the German high command for its steering, profile, and armament capabilities however, also rebuke, due its small size for the crew which they deemed could affect performance. The tank was slated for serial production with a few units produced however, due to the Invasion of Romania, the vehicles were seized and not used in combat.
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 75mm Reșița M1943 Gun (w/ 50rds)
    • Rounds:
      • APBC/TBD
      • APCR/TBD
      • HE/TBD
    • Horizontal Traverse: 15°
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+10°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Secondary: 2x Gun Ports - 9mm Submachine Gun
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 120hp Hotchkiss Engine
  • Transmission: Manual (4-Forward, 1-Rerverse Gear)
  • Chassis: Leaf Spring
  • Max Speed: 50km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 4.43m (5.8m w/ Gun)
  • Width: 2.44m
  • Height:  1.53m
  • Weight: 8.5t
• Crew (2x):
  • Commander/Gunner
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Up to 20mm Armor plating. 
• Sources:
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mareșal_(tank_destroyer) - General Data
  • https://historyofyesterday.com/the-marshal-tank-destroyer-b3ee352ec9bb - General Data

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The M-05 Tank Destroyer Prototype which would become the serial production model.

 

Size comparison vs the StuG III ausf. G. 

 

Blueprints of the Mareșal Tank Destroyer.

 

Cutout of the M-04 Mareșal Tank Destroyer for reference.

 

Visual Representation of the Mareșal M-05 Tank Destroyer.

 

A German report stating the effectiveness of the M-Tank versus Soviet tanks.

 

 

MLI-84 Infantry Fighting Vehicle

An MLI-84 on display.

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• Description : 
  • The MLI-84 is an Infantry Fighting Vehicle that is in-service with the Romanian Land Forces. The MLI-74 is a derivative of the renown Soviet BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicle. Development started in 1982, the MLI-84 features several upgrades over its predecessor. Some of these are a new 355hp 8V-1240-DT-S Diesel Engine, a lengthened hull, a rear DShK 12.7mm Machine Gun, while still retaining its amphibious capability. Production went on from 1985-1991 with 178 units being produced. Currently, the MLI-84's are being upgraded to the "M" standard with several other upgrades such as another new engine, new turret, and more.
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 73mm 2A28 Grom Smoothbore Cannon
    • Rounds:
      • PG-9 HEAT
      • OG-9 HE
    • Depression/Elevation: -4°/+30°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Coaxial: 7.62mm PKT Machine Gun (w/ 4,995rds)
    • Tertiary: 12.7mm DShK Anti-aircraft Machine Gun (w/ 500rds)
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 355hp 1240-DT-S 8-cyl Diesel Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical Synchronized Transmission (5-Forward, 1 Reverse Gears) 
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar
  • Max Speed: 70km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 7.33m
  • Width: 3.3m
  • Height:  2.1m
  • Weight: 16.6t
• Crew (3+8x):
  • Commander
  • Driver
  • Gunner
  • 8x Passengers
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Frontal arc provides protection up to 14.5mm machine gun fire.
    • Side and rear armor protects up to 7.62mm small arms fire.
  • Optics:
    • Night Vision Device:
      • Commander: Day/Night Sight
      • Gunner: Day/Night Periscope
      • Driver: Day/Night Periscope
  • 6x 81mm DLG-81 Smoke Grenade Launchers
  • Amphibious
  • ESS
• Sources:
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLI-84 - General Data
  • https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.php?armor_id=835 - General Data
  • https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Romania/MLI-84_Jderul.php - General Data
• Inspiration:

 

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Artists representation of the MLI-84.

 

Rear ivew of the MLI-84.  Note the Anti-Aircraft gun mount on the rear left troop compartment.

 

Side view of the MLI-84 IFV.

 

 

Obuzierul Autopropulsat Românesc [OAPR], Model 1989 Self-Propelled Howitzer

OAPR, Model 1891 Self-Propelled Howitzer. 

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• Description : 
  • The Obuzierul Autopropulsat Românesc Model 1989, or Model 1989 is a Self-Propelled Howitzer that was in-use by the Romanian Army. Designed around 1978 during the time of the Republica Populară Română, or Romanian People's Republic, the OAPR features a turret from the 2S1 Gvozdika mated to a modified MLI-84 Infantry Fighting Vehicle chassis. This was to increase overall reliability as well as reduce dependency on the Soviet Union. The OAPR still utilizes the Malakhit Fire-control System utilized by the 2S1. Produced from 1987 until 1992, a total of 42 were built. As of 2005, the Model 1989's were put into storage.
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 122mm A565 Howitzer (w/ 40rds)
    • Rounds: 
      • OF-462 HE-FRAG
      • BK-13M HEAT-FS
    • Depression/Elevation: -3°/+70°
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 355hp 1240-DT-S 8-cyl Diesel Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical Synchronized Transmission (5-Forward, 1 Reverse Gears) 
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar
  • Max Speed: 64km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 7.505m
  • Width: 3.15m 
  • Height:  2.72m
  • Weight: 18.3t
• Crew (4x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Loader
  • Driver
• Features:
  • NVD
    • Commander: Night/Day Passive Sight
    • Driver: Night/Day Passive Sight
  • Infrared Searchlight
• Sources:
  • https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-romania-model-89/ - General Data
  • http://www.worldwar2.ro/documents/004-artileria-romana-in-date-si-imagini.pdf - General Data, Page 164
  • https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.php?armor_id=835 - General Data

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Front quarter view of the Model 1989 Self-Propelled Howitzer.

 

Rear view of the Model 1989.

 

A newly built Model 1989 out of the factory. 

 

Stored away Model 1989's. 

 

OAPR, Model 1891 Self-Propelled Howitzer. 

A group of Model 1989's.

 

 

TR-580 Main Battle Tank

A TR-580 Main Battle Tank.

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• Description : 
  • The TR-580, also known as Tanc Romanesc Model 580, or TR-77-580, is a main battle tank that was designed by Institute 111 of Romania in the 1970's. The TR-580, an offshoot of the Soviet T-55 Main Battle Tank, that was developed to allow Romanian manufacturers the knowledge to develop tanks indigenously. In the late-1960's, Romania decided to pursue it's own industrial capabilities of producing a main battle tank, however lacked the industrial capacity to develop a brand new main battle tank, thus it was decided to use the T-55 tank as a platform for development. The Romanian Defense Counsel decided that the vehicle must have a 100mm gun, and an engine with a minimum of 500hp. The indigenous A-308 smoothbore gun and 580hp Model V-55 12-cyl Turbo-diesel Engine were used. Due to the increase in weight and the new engine, the vehicle's hull was extended, adding an extra roadwheel for a total of 6. Instead of using the original T-55 Volna Fire-control Computer, a new fire control computer was used, created under license from Sweden, which eventually lead to the indigenous fire-control system, the Ciclop's Fire-control Computer being developed. There are multiple variants of the tank such as the TR-580M, a modernized version that includes a laser rangefinder, and the TR-580M1 which features a new turret and the Leopard 1's MTU engine. The vehicle went into production in 1979 until 1985 with around 400 tanks being produced. This vehicle was used by the Romanian Land Forces and the Iraqi Army with possible use in the Iran-Iraq War.
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 100mm A-308 Smoothbore Gun (w/ 41rds) 
    • Rounds:
      • 3BM25 APFSDS-T
      • 3BK17M HEAT-FS
      • 3BM-8 APDS
      • BR-421D APCBC-T
      • OF-412 HE
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+18°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Coaxial: 7.62mm PKT Machine Gun (w/ 4,995rds)
    • Tertiary: 12.7mm DShK Anti-aircraft Machine Gun (w/ 500rds)
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 580hp Model V-55 12-cyl Turbo-diesel Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical, Synchromesh (5-Forward, 1-Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar
  • Max Speed: 50km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 9.25m (w/ Gun Forward)
  • Width: 3.3m
  • Height:  2.4m
  • Weight: 46t
• Crew (4x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Loader
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Turret:
      • Up to 320mm Turret Cheeks
    • Hull:
      • Up to 100mm on the Hull.
    • Side Skirts:
      • Protects against some shaped charges and artillery shrapnel.
  • Optics:
    • Night Vision Device
      • Commander
      • Gunner
      • Driver:
  • Infrared Searchlight
  • ESS
• Sources:
  • https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-580 - General Data
  • https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.php?armor_id=834 - General Data
  • https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tr-77-580.htm - General Data
  • http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product.php?prodID=3520&printmode=1 - General Data
  • https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Romania/tr-77-580.php - General Data
• Inspiration:

 

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ATR-580 on display in Bucharest, Romania. 

 

Rear view of the TR-580.

 

Side view of the TR-580's turret.

 

Side view of a TR-580.

 

 

 

A T-55A (Top) and a TR-580 (Bottom) side-by-side comparison. Note the longer TR-580 hull and extra roadwheel. Courtesy of Tank Encyclopedia. 

 

TR-580's occupying Revolution Square, December 1989, Bucharest, Romania. 

 

 

TR-85-800 Main Battle Tank

A TR-85-800 Main Battle Tank during training exercises.

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• Description : 
  • The TR-85-800 or Tanc Românesc model 1985 cu motor de 800cp, is a Main Battle Tank in use with the country of Romania. Tracing its design from the TR-580, which itself is a development of the Soviet T-55, the TR-85-800 was designed with the focus on a new engine. Development began on 13 May 1974 when the Romanian Self-defense Counsel issued a directive to design a new medium tank that houses a 100mm gun, weighs 40 tons, and has around 500hp for the engine. At the same time however, Romanian engineers were examining a German MTU MB 838 CaM 500, 10-cylinder Diesel Engine, succeeding in reverse engineering it. Between 1974 to 1986, Romanian engineers developed the engine and transmission that would be housed in the new medium tank. The new tank was designated TR-85-800 for the new 800hp engine. This new vehicle was produced from 1986 until 1990 with over 600 vehicles being manufactured. The TR-85 is still in service with the Romanian Land Forces with some vehicles being upgraded to the TR-85M "Bizonul" or Bison. 
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 100mm A-308 Smoothbore Gun (w/ 41rds) 
    • Rounds:
      • BM-421 Sg APFSDS-T
        • Penetration: 444mm of RHAe at 90° at 500m
      • BK-412R HEAT-FS
      • BR-412D APCBC-T
      • OF-412 HE
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+18°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Coaxial: 7.62mm PKT Machine Gun (w/ 4,595rds)
    • Tertiary: 12.7mm DShK Anti-aircraft Machine Gun (w/ 750rds)
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 860hp Model 8VS-A2T2M, 8-cyl Turbo Diesel Engine
  • Transmission: THM-5800 (4 Forward, 2 Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar System with Eight Telescopic Hydro-gas Shock Absorbers 
  • Max Speed: 60km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 6.74m (9.96m w/ gun forward)
  • Width: 3.435m
  • Height:  3.10m
  • Weight: 45t
• Crew (x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Loader
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Turret:
      • 200-300mm Turret Cheeks
    • Hull:
      • 200mm Composite Armor
    • Side Skirts:
      • Protects against some shaped charges and artillery shrapnel.
  • Optics:
    • 1st Generation Thermal Imagers:
      • Gunner
    • Night Vision Device
      • Commander
      • Driver:
  • Infrared Searchlight
  • Laser Rangefinder
  • ESS
• Sources:
  • http://www.military-today.com/tanks/tm_800.htm - General Data
  • https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-85 - General Data
  • https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tr-85m.htm - General Data
• Inspiration:

Imagery

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A TR-85-800 Main Battle Tank with Infrared Illuminators. 

 

Side view of the TR-85-800 Main Battle Tank. 

 

TR-85-800 on display.

 

Rear view of the TR-85-800 with the main gun facing the engine compartment.

 

Rear view of the TR-85-800 with the gun facing forward.

 

TR-85-800 during live-fire gunnery drills.

 

 

 

CA-95M Surface-to-Air Missile Vehicle

A CA-95M Surface-to-Air Missile vehicle during a military parade.

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• Description : 
  • The CA-95M is upgraded model of the CA-95, which itself is the domestically produced version of the Soviet 9K32 Strela-1 Surface-to-Air (SAM) vehicle. ROMARM, a Romanian Arms manufacturer produces the CA-95M under license. The CA-95M uses a modified launcher developed for the original 9K32 Strela-1 SAM vehicle. The ML-A95M TEL houses 4x Romanian A-95M-RC missiles capable of being fired by the individual vehicle, or in coordination with an anti-aircraft unit. The ML-A95M uses an electro-optical tracking system to track air targets or can utilize a multi-vehicle link. The launcher is installed on a Romanian TABC-79 Armored Vehicle which itself is a heavily modified Soviet BDRM-2 Armored Vehicle. The Romanian Land Forces currently has 40 units in its inventory.
•  Armament:
  • Main Weapon: ML-A95M TEL (4x Missiles Ready-to-Fire, 2x Stowed) 
    • Missile:
      • A95M-RC Infrared-Guided Missiles
        • Capabilities:
          • Caliber: 120mm
          • Guidance: Infrared Self-Homing 2-Channel
          • Weight: 30kg
          • Min range: 800m
          • Max Range: 4.2km
          • Warhead Range: 2.5m
          • Max Speed: 310m/s
    • Horizontal Guidance: 36°/s
    • Vertical Guidance: 18°/s
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+80°
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 154hp Saviem 798-05 N2 Turbodiesel Engine
  • Transmission: Manual Synchronized Transmission (5-Forward, 1 Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar, 4 x 4
  • Max Speed: 90km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 5.75m
  • Width: 2.35m
  • Height:  2.5m
  • Weight: 7t
• Crew (3x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Optics:
    • Night Vision Device:
      • Gunner: Optical Electronic Infrared Imager
      • Driver: Day/Night Sight
  • Amphibious
• Sources:
  • https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/CA-95 - General Data
  • https://www.defenseromania.ro/ca-95m-complexul-antiracheta-al-romaniei-caracteristici-tehnico-tactice_592979.html - General Data
  • https://www.rumaniamilitary.ro/tag/a-95-a-95m-complexul-antiaerian-ca-95m - General Data
  • https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/sa-9_gaskin_9k31_strela-1_ground_to_air_missile_system_technical_data_sheet_specifications.html - General Data
  • https://www.scribd.com/document/475250566/RomArm-1 - General Data

Imagery

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A CA-95M during a military parade.

 

View of the launching system. Note this is the same launcher used on the Soviet Strela and can fold down.

 

A CA-95M during a live-fire drill. 

 

Romanian CA-95M on display.

 

 

TR-125 Main Battle Tank

A TR-125 Prototype on display.

Spoiler

• Description : 
  • The TR-125 is a main battle tank developed by Romania in the 1990's. The TR-125 was developed due to the U.S.S.R. refusing to allow licensed production of the T-72M in Romania. With this setback, the National Defense Counsel authorized the study and reverse-engineering of active T-72M's to produce their own indigenous vehicle. The result of this was the TR-125 Main Battle Tank. The TR-125 features multiple similarities and upgrades over the Soviet Export T-72M. Some of these include a more reliable A555 Smoothbore Gun, an enhanced Fire Control System allowing for firing-in-motion capability, a Laser Warning Receiver System, Laser Rangefinder, and an upgraded Engine and Transmission. With the new added weight from the engine and transmission, the vehicle was elongated and an extra roadwheel was added. These upgrades were seen as a major step forward for vehicles, especially during the 1990's. However, the vehicle wasn't accepted and the Romanian Government slated some funding to be directed to the TR-85M modernization project and the TR-2000 Main Battle Tank program. Only up to 5 prototypes are believed to have been produced. The remaining prototypes, other than two vehicles on display, are held in reserve. 
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 125mm A555 Smoothbore Gun, 8-Second Autoloader Equipped (w/ 39rds)
    • Rounds:
      • 3BM22 APFSDS-T
      • 3BK12M HEAT-FS
      • 3OF26 HE
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+13°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Coaxial: 7.62mm PKMT Machine Gun (w/ 2,000rds)
    • Tertiary: 12.7mm DShK Machine Gun (w/ 300rds)
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 900hp 8 VS A3 Supercharged Diesel Engine
  • Transmission: Hydromechanical, Automatic (7-Forward, 1-Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar, 7-roadwheels
  • Max Speed: 60km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 
  • Width: 
  • Height:
  • Weight: 
• Crew (x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Turret:
      • Up to 600mm Composite Armor vs. RHAe.
    • Hull:
      • Up to 380mm Laminate Armor vs. RHAe
    • Side Skirts:
      • Protects against some shaped charges and artillery shrapnel.
  • Optics:
    • Night Vision Device, or Day/Night Passive Sights
      • Commander
      • Gunner
      • Driver
  • Infrared Searchlight
  • Laser Rangefinder
  • I-2 Type Laser Warning System
  • 8x 81mm Smoke Grenade Launchers 
  • ESS
• Sources:
  • https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-125 - General Data
  • https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tr-125.htm - General Data
  • https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.php?armor_id=1025 - General Data
  • https://www.rumaniamilitary.ro/realizarea-tancului-tr-125 - General Data
  • https://www.armyrecognition.com/romania_romanian_army_heavy_armoured_tank_fr/tr-125_main_battle_tank_romania_romanian_army_technical_data_sheet_description_information_images_ph.html - General Data
  • https://tanknutdave.com/romanian-tanks/ - General Data
• Inspiration:

 

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A Romanian TR-125 on display. Note the 2 yellow cylinders on the turret, these are Laser Warning Receivers. There are 4 total. 

 

Grainy image of a TR-125 during a military parade. For roundel and color scheme reference.

 

Frontal view of the TR-125 that's on display in Bucharest, Romania. 

 

Another frontal view of the TR-125. Of note is the Laser Receiver immediately to the left of the Gunner's Infrared Searchlight.

 

TR-125 rear-quarter view. Note the 7-roadwheels and the cylinder on the turret. This is one of 4 laser warning receivers. 

 

Video that summarizes the TR-125 project.

 

 

MLI-84M "Jderul" Infantry Fighting Vehicle

An MLI-84M during a military parade.

Spoiler

• Description:
  • The MLI-84M "Jderul" (Marten) is Roman Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) which is the modernized variant of the MLI-84. In 1995, a decision was made within the Romanian Land Forces to upgrade the MLI-84 IFV to NATO standards. This included a new turret by the Israeli company Rafael, the OWS-25R unmanned turret which houses an Oerlikon KBA autocannon, a PKT machine gun, and equipped with 2x Yugoslavian Maljutka-2T ATGM's in the 9S415 launcher. However, newer upgrades removed the Maljutka-2T's and replaced them with 4x Spike-LR ATGM's significantly increasing its firepower. To house all the new weight from the turret, the vehicle received a new 396hp Caterpillar C9 Turbocharged Engine. The vehicle also received a SAILR-M Laser & RADAR Warning System to alert the crew of incoming ATGM's/guidance and launch the 81mm Smoke Grenades to defeat the incoming threat. With all this new equipment, the vehicle lost its amphibious capabilities. The MLI-84M has a crew of 2, a Driver and Gunner, and while equipped with a squad, the squad leader will act in the role of vehicle Commander. The MLI-84M, entering service in 2005, is the primary infantry fighting vehicle of the Romanian Land Forces with an estimated 180 MLI-84's being upgraded to this standard.
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 25mm Oerlikon KBA Autocannon 
    • Rounds:
      • APFSDS-T
      • FAPDS-T
      • APDS-T
      • HEI-T
    • Depression/Elevation: -20°/+60°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Coaxial: 7.62mm PKT Machine Gun
    • Tertiary: 9S415 ATGM Launcher
      • Spike-LR ATGM (4x ATGM's)
    • Optional: 12.7mm DShK Anti-aircraft Machine Gun (Left-side Above Rear Troop Compartment)

• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 396hp Caterpillar C9 Turbocharged Diesel Engine
  • Transmission: Mechanical Synchronized Transmission (5-Forward, 1 Reverse Gears) 
  • Chassis: Individual Torsion Bar w/ Hydraulic Shock Absorbers on 1st and 6th Road Wheels
  • Max Speed: 65km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 7.320m
  • Width: 3.3m
  • Height:  2.921m
  • Weight: 17.6t
• Crew (2+9x):
  • Gunner
  • Driver
  • Commander (Squad Commander)
  • 8x Passengers
• Features:
  • Unmanned OWS-25R Turret
  • Armor Protection:
    • Frontal arc provides protection up to 14.5mm machine gun fire.
    • Side and rear armor protects up to 7.62mm small arms fire.
  • Optics:
    • Thermal Imager:
      • Gunner: 2nd-Generation Rafael OWS-25R Gunner Sight
    • Night Vision Device:
      • Driver: Day/Night Periscope
  • SAILR-M Laser & RADAR Warning System
  • 8x 81mm DLG-81 Smoke Grenade Launchers
  • ESS
• Sources:
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLI-84 - General
  • https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/mli-84.htm  - General
  • https://www.armyrecognition.com/romania_romanian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/mli-84m_armoured_infantry_fighting_combat_vehicle_romania_romanian_army_pictures_technical_data_shee.html - General
  • https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Romania/MLI-84_Jderul.php - General
  • http://www.military-today.com/apc/mli_84m.htm - General
  • https://weaponsystems.net/system/354-25mm+Oerlikon+KBA - 25mm Oerlikon KBA
  • http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3193.html#:~:text=The RAFAEL OWS 25R is,7.62mm coax machine gun.&text=Being part of the OWS,armor or head-out operation. - Rafael OWS-25R Turret
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Overhead_Weapon_Station - Rafael OWS-25R Turret
  • http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product.php?prodID=2872&printmode=1 - Rafael OWS-25R Turret
• Inspiration:

 

Imagery

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MLI-84M'a during a parade.

 

Side view of the MLI-84M during a parade. Note the SAILR-M L&RWS above the "11L55" vehicle designation. 

 

View of the Israeli OWS-25R turret. Note the coaxial machine gun.

 

Israeli OWS-25R unmanned turret mounted on the MLI-84 hull. Note the dual-ATGM launcher and Laser Warning System. 

 

MLI-84M "Jderul" during a military parade. Note the Spike-LR ATGM launchers.

 

An older MLI-84M during live-fire gunnery exercises.

 

 

TR-85M1 "Bizonul" Main Battle Tank

Romanian TR-85M1 "Bizonul" on display.

Spoiler

• Description : 
  • The TR-85M1, also known as the Bizonul (Bison), is the newest TR-85 variant fielded by the Romanian Land Forces. In 1994, the Romanian General Staff initiated a program known as Order No. 1429 to modernize TR-85's to NATO standards. Some of these upgrades included a new elongated turret with add-on armor, updated Fire-control System, Laser/RADAR Warning System, and several other upgrades significantly increasing the tanks capabilities. The TR-85M1 is equipped with the 3rd-generation Ciclop-M Ballistics Fire-control Computer which, according to the manual, can ensure a hit percentage greater than 95% for a target under 2,000m and 75% for a target within 3,000-4,000m. This is integrated with the SAGEM MATIS Thermal Imaging System for night operations. It is also equipped with the SAILR (Sistem de Avertizare la Iluminarea Laser și Radar, laser and radar illumination warning system) which is a hybrid Laser/RADAR Warning System that can discharge the GFM-76 launchers, providing smoke coverage as well as flares to defeat incoming ATGM's. This vehicle is currently the Romanian Land Force's Primary Main Battle Tank, and as of 2017, utilizes 54 of the TR-85M1's. The modernization project is still in progress, with more to be upgraded over the next 5 years. A possibly new variant armed with a NATO compatible 120mm Smoothbore gun, with updated composite armor, electronics, power-pack, etc. is currently being studied. 
• Armament:
  • Main Weapon: 100mm A-308 Smoothbore Gun (w/ 41rds) 
    • Rounds:
      • BM-421 Sg APFSDS-T
        • Penetration: 444mm of RHAe at 90° at 500m
      • BK-412R HEAT-FS
      • BR-412D APCBC-T
      • OF-412 HE
    • Depression/Elevation: -5°/+18°
  • Additional Weapons:
    • Coaxial: 7.62mm PKT Machine Gun (w/ 4,595rds)
    • Tertiary: 12.7mm DShK Anti-aircraft Machine Gun (w/ 750rds)
• Maneuverability:
  • Engine: 860hp Model 8VS-A2T2M, 8-cyl Turbo Diesel Engine
  • Transmission: THM-5800 (4 Forward, 2 Reverse Gears)
  • Chassis: Torsion Bar System with Eight Telescopic Hydro-gas Shock Absorbers 
  • Max Speed: 60km/h
• Dimensions:
  • Length: 9.96m
  • Width: 3.435m
  • Height:  3.10m
  • Weight: 50t
• Crew (4x):
  • Commander
  • Gunner
  • Loader
  • Driver
• Features:
  • Armor Protection:
    • Turret (580mm of RHAe):
      • 320mm Turret Cheeks
      • 20mm add-on Composite Armor
    • Hull:
      • 200mm Composite Armor
    • Side Skirts:
      • Protects against some shaped charges and artillery shrapnel.
  • Optics:
    • 2nd Generation Thermal Imagers:
      • Gunner: SAGEM MATIS Thermal Imager
      • Commander: SFIM EC2-55R Panoramic Sight w/ Integrated SAGEM Thermal Intensification System
    • Night Vision Device
      • Driver: AONP-I Passive Night Sight
  • Laser Rangefinder
  • 12x 76mm GFM-76 Smoke Grenade Launchers (Forward part of Turret, 6x on each side)
  • 8x 76mm GFM-76 Flare Countermeasures Launchers (Rear part of Turret, 4x on each side)
  • SAILR Laser & RADAR Warning System (LWS)
  • ESS
• Sources:
  • http://www.military-today.com/tanks/tr85m1.htm - General
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-85 - General
  • https://rg.ru/2019/06/17/hudshij-tank-nato-pochemu-tr-85m1-bizonul-beznadezhno-ustarel.html - General
  • https://www.army-technology.com/projects/tr-85-mbt/ - General
  • http://www.strategic-bureau.com/en/mli-84m-aifv-romania/ - General
  • https://live.warthunder.com/post/776887/en/ - Blog
  • https://www.safran-group.com/products-services/matis-std-multipurpose-cooled-thermal-imager - MATIS Thermal Imagers
  • https://elbitsystems.com/media/Catalog-Tanks_15_Web.pdf - Elbit System's M309/BM-421 Sg APFSDS-T
  • https://cat-uxo.com/uxo-types/projectiles/100mm-bk-412r-projectile - BK-412R HEAT-FS
  • https://www.taringa.net/+militares_en_t/fuerzas-terrestres-de-rumania-imagenes_1awbzq - Images
• Inspiration:

 

Imagery

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View of he TR-85M1 during the EXPOMIL in 2007.

 

Front arc of the TR-85M1 Main Battle Tank.

 

Interior view of the TR-85M1. 

 

A Romanian tanker loading a BK-412R into the Romanian TR-85M1.

 

 

Romanian 100mm BK-412R HEAT-FS Round.

 

 

TR-85M1 demonstration video. Note the lack of side skirts.

 

 

Upcoming Romania Development(s):

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M-0 Prototype cutout.

 

Rear view of the M-04 Prototype.

 

• More Mareșal variants: 
  • M-0
  • M-1
  • M-2
  • M-3
  • M-4
  • M-6

 

 

 

T-34-85R on display in Bucharest, Romania.

 

• T-34-85R
• T-55AM2R

 

Stay tuned for more vehicles. 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Yontzee

[Thatz 637]

Open for discussion 

[hienapunk 1,065]

I still think there's a place for an independent "Pan-Eastern-European" tree.

[Solarmod 1,204]

I honestly think Romania has enough at low-mid-top tier that it could easily stand on its own. Air especially. I'd only want a sub-tree if the devs say "we're never going to add another country to the game ever again", type deal. Which I don't want. +0 but not -1.

[Yontzee 1,675]

On 01/12/2021 at 20:23, Solarmod said:

I honestly think Romania has enough at low-mid-top tier that it could easily stand on its own. Air especially. I'd only want a sub-tree if the devs say "we're never going to add another country to the game ever again", type deal. Which I don't want. +0 but not -1.

Yes and no, when you get to the high rank, the best MBT they have, the TR-85M1 with its 100mm gun wouldn't hold up against most 10.0+ MBT that well. It would be comparable to the South African TTD with only a little composite armor. The TR-125 would fare okay but would be hampered by its limited ammunition and armor capabilities. When more word is released about a prospective 120mm TR-85 is released or a new MBT replacement program, the tree would stand a little better independently. Currently , there is no top rank vehicles comparable to other nations..

A lot of vehicles are prototypes/mockups/blue prints. The vehicles I made for this tree are mainly focused on vehicles they used or aspired to use without adding WWII Germany and Cold War Soviet based vehicles. I still have more to add too. A full Romanian tree would be legit. In its current form from what I can find, the best option is attached to an Eastern-European tree of some sort or as a sub-tree of a nation in-game. All subject to opinion though, we'll see what happens. Appreciate the feedback though! I'll add as much vehicles as I can. 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Yontzee

[Kingtiez@live 606]

Romania can definitely have its own tree.

[Milocat 4,855]

Romania would be a great nation to see in my opinion.  +1.

 

On 01/12/2021 at 23:23, Solarmod said:

I honestly think Romania has enough at low-mid-top tier that it could easily stand on its own. Air especially. I'd only want a sub-tree if the devs say "we're never going to add another country to the game ever again", type deal. Which I don't want. +0 but not -1.

 

Even if they said that I wouldn't believe them, they also said we were never going to get afterburners, guided missiles, vehicles past 1953, composite armor, and battleships.  The pattern of behavior suggests that even if Gaijin says they won't add something they probably will eventually.

[Kingtiez@live 606]

On 02/12/2021 at 11:33, Yontzee said:

Yes and no, when you get to the high rank, the best MBT they have, the TR-85M1 with its 100mm gun wouldn't hold up against most 10.0+ MBT that well. It would be comparable to the South African TTD with only a little composite armor. The TR-125 would fare okay but would be hampered by its limited ammunition and armor capabilities. When more word is released about a prospective 120mm TR-85 is released or a new MBT replacement program, the tree would stand a little better independently. Currently , there is no top rank vehicles comparable to other nations..

A lot of vehicles are prototypes/mockups/blue prints. The vehicles I made for this tree are mainly focused on vehicles they used or aspired to use without adding WWII Germany and Cold War Soviet based vehicles. I still have more to add too. A full Romanian tree would be legit. In its current form from what I can find, the best option is attached to an Eastern-European tree of some sort or as a sub-tree of a nation in-game. All subject to opinion though, we'll see what happens. Appreciate the feedback though! I'll add as much vehicles as I can. 

Or maybe a Warsaw Pact tech tree

[Охраняет-Камни 6,650]

I made some kind of Romanian subline back in the day:

 

[Doom_Pyramid 0]

There exists a TR-85M1 with a 1200 hp engine. Though we know that it exists, no pictures of it are out there yet. The engine is unidentified but I imagine its 1200 hp MTU type as proposed for the TR-2000 program.

 

Theres also myriad of 'TR-77' prototypes related to the TR-77-580 and prototyped for the TR-85-800 which differ in performance and visually. 

 

I'd also like to mention that in a source (and it's a very solid one) there is a TR-125 from 1979 that appears to be a separate program from the later TR-125 which the first prototype was made in 1985. It is mentioned that a turret of that 1979 TR-125 was used for ballistics tests. 

 

I can divulge into more Romania vehicles if anyone is interested. Theres a lot more than what people think.

[Yontzee 1,675]

Romania may replace it’s TR-85 series with, the most likely option, the Leopard 2A5 or possibly the M1 Abrams in the future. If this is done, it could push Romania into top rank for ground vehicles. Little is known if Romania intends to replace or modify the vehicles with its own electronics/fire control or utilize German/American systems. There is always the small chance Romania would try and rejuvenate its defense industry and produce its own unique MBT that is NATO compatible (the most hoped option, due to creating another unique MBT different from those in-game). Only time will tell.

 

On another topic, a new V-SHORAD/SHORAD system has been approved by the Defense Ministry which could further enhance Romania’s top rank ascension in-game. 
 

https://www.armyrecognition.com/november_2018_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/romania_to_buy_60_new_main_battle_tanks.amp.html

 

https://defencedb.com/article.php?article_id=17

Edited February 6, 2022 by Yontzee

[CubicSquare 156]

Would love to see Romanian equipment in game, possibly as a way to beef the Italians? +1 either way tho

Edited April 12, 2022 by CubicSquare

[JamesPond1200@psn 299]

I've wanted the Romanians to have a sub-tree in Italy for ages! I really hope this gets passed to the Italians, since they could really use it! I honestly think that Russia and Germany have enough vehicles and don't need a sub-tree like this, while Italy could really use it to bolster their Ground Forces lineup! Another vehicle you could mention is the R-2a, the Romanian upgraded version of the Panzer 35(t). +10000!

[Sarcastic_Bullet 816]

I still don't know why everyone keeps referring to the same crap sources when it comes to the T-72s in Romanian service. I've said it before in a different thread, Romania only had T-72s Ural, aka "the basic stuff". You can clearly see that by the fact that it is the only model with the coincidence range finder. And here is a picture of it in Romanian service:

 

Notice the coincidence range finder on the top right of the turret.

Edited May 9, 2022 by Sarcastic_Bullet

[Akfiz 15]

Would love to see a Romanian sub-tree in Italy.

 

I too would argue that Romania has more than enough tanks & aircrafts for a tech tree of its own. Would also help to enlarge the number of axis powers as currently we have 7 Allied powers and 3 Axis powers.

 

When it comes to airplanes, Romania can compete with major nations as it had a lot of IAR airplane models, there was a IAR plane for everything:

- IAR 11 CV L

- IAR 11 CV H

- IAR 12

- IAR 13

- IAR 14

- IAR 15

- IAR 16

- IAR-21

- IAR-22

- IAR-23

- IAR-24

- IAR-27

- IAR 37

- IAR 38

- IAR 39

- IAR 39A

- IAR 47

- IAR 471

- IAR JRS 79B

- IAR JRS 79B-1

- IAR 80

- IAR 80A

- IAR 80B

- IAR DB601 Aa

- IAR 80M

- IAR 80M Jumo 221 Da

- IAR 81

- IAR 81A

- IAR 81B

- IAR 81C

- IAR 81 Gnome Rhome

- IAR 81 Concarde 1950

- La-7

- Bf 109G-6

- Bf 109G-6A

- IAR 81 BMW

- IAR 81 DB

- MIG 15

- MIG 17F

- IAR 93

- IAR 99 Soim

 

As for tanks, I found this on the internet:

 

The Romanian tanks are focused on a powerful gun and speed at the cost of armor, many of their best tanks being Tank Destroyers.

They have a lot of interesting vehicles out of which many are original, some are completly original, some are heavy modifications, some of them are improvisations by taking different parts from already existing tanks but it still leads to new tanks that don't exist in other countries, there is no tank in this list that is exactly the same in other countries except for 1 notable exception and a few that were never realised due to lack of resources, here is my proposal for the Romanian Tech Tree:

Because of the limited resources of the country, the Romanians found a way to combat the economically superior Soviets by focusing on Tank Destroyers. With speed, small chassis and high firepower taking the place of armor, for economic reasons. Many of the Romanians tanks are better regarded as improvised, taking different parts from different tanks to create something new, rather than creating something new from scratch. For most of their tree, the Romanian tanks can be regarded as glass cannons. Very good at penetrating enemy armor, but also very good at being penetrated. Using the small chasis and speed to their advantage.

 

TIER 1: (Pick one of them, I prefer the R-1)

1. Romanian FT (Light Tank) - French Renaul FT tank with Romanian modifications.

2. R-1 (Light Tank) - Czechoslovak AH-IV tank with Romanian modifications.

 

TIER 2:

1. R-2c (Light Tank) - Czechoslovak Skoda LT vz.35 tank with Romanian modifications.

2. Carul de Lupta R-35 (Light Tank) - French R-35 tank with Romanian modifications.
3. Maresal M-00 (Tank Destroyer) - Original Romanian design, not based on German Hetzer, it was the other way around.

4. TACAM R-1 (Tank Destroyer) - Romanian R-1 tank modified to be Tank Destroyer. (1 Prototype) 

 

TIER 3:

1. R-2a (Light Tank) - Improved version of R-2c: better engine, radio and armor.

2. AB Md. 1941 (Light Tank) - Original Romanian design with a 37mm gun. (1 Prototype)

3. Maresal M-01 (Tank Destroyer) - An improved version of the Maresal M-00: better geometry.

4. TACAM T-60 (Tank Destroyer) - Captured Soviet T-60 tanks modified to be Tank Destroyers.

 

TIER 4:

1. R-3 (Medium Tank) - Was supposed to be a modified version of the Czechoslovak Skoda T-21 tank. (Project stage only)
2. T-26/37mm (Light Tank) - Captured Soviet T-26 tanks with Romanian modifications
3. Maresal M-02 (Tank Destroyer) -  An improved version of the Maresal M-01: larger but stronger hull.

4. TACAM T-60A (Tank Destroyer) - An improved version of TACAM T-60: better armor and wheels.

 

TIER 5:

1. R-4 (Medium Tank) - German Pz IV H tank with Romanian modifications, a different turret and an original Romanian gun 75mm Resita M1942.
2. R-35/T-26 (Light Tank) - French R-35 tank with Soviet T-21 turret and gun.
3. Maresal M-03 (Tank Destroyer) -  An improved version of the Maresal M-02: reinforced armour plates and reinforced inner structure.

4. TACAM R-38 (Tank Destroyer) - German Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) Ausf. S tank modified to be Tank Destroyer. (Project stage only)

 

TIER 6:

1. T-34/85R (Medium Tank) - Soviet T-34 tank with Romanian modifications, an 85mm S-53 gun.
2. Vanatorul de Care R-35 (Light Tank) -  An improved version of the R-35/T-26, the turret was changed to R-35 as it had better armor and various Romanian parts added.
3. Maresal M-04 (Tank Destroyer) -  An improved version of the Maresal M-03: lower caliber weapon 75mm Resita 1943 but lighter and better engine.
4. TACAM R-2 (Tank Destroyer) - Romanian R-2 tank modified to be Tank Destroyer.

 

TIER 7:

1. T-34E/120 (Medium Tank) - Soviet T-34E tank with Romanian modifications, a different turret and the guns 120mm Howitzer or 122mm Howitzer. (Project stage only)
2. Flakpanzer Maresal (Light Tank) - Romanian Maresal tank modified to be lighter, smaller and with a 37mm gun. (Project stage only)
3. Maresal M-05 (Tank Destroyer) -  An improved version of the Maresal M-04: better chasis and suspensions.
4. TACAM R-2 Resita (Tank Destroyer) - An improved version of the TACAM R-2: a 75mm Resita 1943 gun.

 

TIER 8:

1. T-34E/150 (Medium Tank) - Soviet T-34E tank with Romanian modifications, a different turret and the gun 150mm Howitzer. (Project stage only) 

2. Maresal M-06 (Tank Destroyer) -  An improved version of the Maresal M-05: one more crew member to ease the job of the gunner and a new gun. (Project stage only)

3. TACAM R-2/88 (Tank Destroyer) - An improved version of the TACAM R-2: an 88mm gun.

TIER 9: (After World War II)
1. TAB-77 M1982 (Light Tank) - Original Romanian design, based on Soviet BTR-70, some versions have 73mm 2A28 gun.
2. TR-77 (Heavy Tank) - Original Romanian design, based on Soviet T-55, has 100mm A308 M1975 gun.
3. TAA-85 (Tank Destroyer) - Original Romanian design, based on Soviet 2S1. (Project stage only)

 

TIER 10:
1. TAB-77 M1983 (Light Tank) - An improved version of TAB-77 M1982.
2. TR-580 (Heavy Tank) - An improved version of TR-77, has 100mm A308 M1975 or 100mm A308 M1977 guns.
3. Model 89 (Tank Destroyer) - Original Romanian design, based on Soviet 2S1: new chasis and 122mm 2A31 gun.

 

I didn't include tanks that were copy-paste version of other nations with no modifications such as: T-3 (Panzer 3), T-4 (Panzer 4), T-5 (Panzer 5), TA (StuG IIIG) or T-152 (ISU-152).

 

Other tanks:

1. RN-94 OWS-25R (Light Tank) - Original Romanian design.

2. TR-85 (Heavy Tank) - An improved version of TR-580.
3. MLI-81 (Light Tank) - Original Romanian design, based on Soviet BMP-1: new chasis and 73mm 2A28 gun.
4. TR-125 (Heavy Tank) - Original Romanian design, based on Soviet T-72: new chasis and 125mm gun.

5. Zimbru 2000 (Light Tank) -  An improved version of Zimbru B-33, some versions have 30mm Rheinmetall gun.

6. TR-85 M1 Bizonul (Heavy Tank) - An improved version of TR-85.

7. MLI-81 M1 Jderul (Light Tank) -  An improved version of MLI-81.
8. Saur 2 (Light Tank) - An improved version of Zimbru 2000.

9. TR-85 M2 (Heavy Tank) - An improved version of TR-85-M1 Bizonul. (Currently in project stage)

 

As well as this older version of the same tech tree:

 

TIER 1:  R-1 (Light Tank)
TIER 2: R-2c (Light Tank) , Carul de Lupta R-35  (Light Tank),  TACAM T-60 (Tank Destroyer)  PREMIUM: R-2a  (Light Tank), T-26-37 (Light Tank)

TIER 3: R-3*/T-3 N* (Medium Tank), R35/T-26 (Light Tank), TACAM R-1 (Tank Destroyer)  PREMIUM: Maresal M-01  (Tank Destroyer)

TIER 4: R-4/T-4 H* (Medium Tank), Vanatorul de Care R-35  (Light Tank), TACAM R-2  (Tank Destroyer), Maresal M-02 (Tank Destroyer) PREMIUM:  Maresal M-03 (Tank Destroyer)

TIER 5: T34-85R (Medium Tank), TACAM T-38 (Tank Destroyer) Maresal M-04 (Tank Destroyer) PREMIUM:  TACAM R-2-88  (Tank Destroyer)

TIER 6: T34E-120* (Medium Tank), Maresal M-05 (Tank Destroyer)

TIER 7: T34E-150* (Medium Tank), Maresal M-06 (Tank Destroyer)

TIER 8: TR-77 (Heavy Tank), Model 89 (Tank Destroyer), MLI-84 (Light Tank), APRA-40 (Artilery)  PREMIUM: TAB-77 1982 (Medium Tank), APR Aurora (Artilery)

TIER 9: TR-77-580 (Heavy Tank), MLI-84-M1 Jderul (Light Tank), LAROM (Artilery)  PREMIUM: TAB-77 1983  (Medium Tank) ,  CA-95  (Artilery)

TIER 10: TR-85 (Heavy Tank), TR-85-M1 Bizonul (Heavy Tank), Zimbru 2000 (Light Tank), Saur 2 (Light Tank), LAROM 160 (Artilery) PREMIUM: TR-125 (Heavy Tank)

 

Explained:

 

R-1  (Light Tank) -> Is a modified version of the Czechoslovak AH-IV tank. The armor was diminished from 15mm to 12mm and the engine from 60hp to 50hp, this reduced the weight by about 500 km leading to an increase in speed. A mechanized reconnaissance equipment was added.

R-2c  (Light Tank) -> Is a modified version of the Czechoslovak Skoda LT vz.35 tank. A different turret and hull rear were added. The "c" stands for cemented "cimentate".

Carul de Lupta R-35  (Light Tank) -> Is a modified version of the French R-35 tank. A different turret and the gun 37mm SA18.

TACAM T-60  (Tank Destroyer) -> Is a modified version of captured Soviet early T-60 light tanks. A different turret and the gun 76mm F-22 M1936 were added. There is an improved version called  TACAM T-60A  that uses the later version of T-60 which had a thicker armor and disc road wheels.

R-2a  (Light Tank) -> An improved version of the Romanian R-2c tank. A better engine, radio and thicker armor.

T-26-37  (Light Tank) - > Caputred T-26 from the Soviet Union where  the 45mm 20K gun was replaced with a 37mm Skoda A3 gun.

 

R-3*/T-3 N* (Medium Tank) -> Was supposed to be a modified version of the Czechoslovak Skoda T-21 tank.  This tank armed with a 47mm Skoda A9 gun  would have beed modified and become the main medium tank of the Romanian army. B ut due to failed negociations and German intervention Romania didn't buy the T-21. At first Romania didn't want to buy the Skoda T-21 as during a test between Skoda T-21 and Praga V-8-H the Praga V-8-H proved superior, then the production for Praga V-8-H was canceled, then Hungary bought rights for Skoda T-21 then Romania wanted to buy the Skoda T-21 too but Germany blocked this.  However, as a vehicle is needed for tech tree continuity the equivalent is T-3 N which is another unmodified version of a foreign tank, the German Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf N, unlike R-3, this one was actually used by the Romanian army.

R35/T-26 (Light Tank) -> Is a modified version of the French R-35 tank. A different turret and gun from the early models of Russian T-26 tanks. It was a prototype of the  Vanatorul de Care R-35  were they swapped the whole turret of a captured Soviet T-26 tanks rather than only the gun.

TACAM R-1  (Tank Destroyer) -> Is a modified version of the Romanian R-1 tank. A different turret and gun from the Soviet 45 mm AT guns.

Maresal M-01  (Tank Destroyer) -> An original Romanian tank, the design of the German Hetzer tank destroyer was based on the Maresal tank destroyer. It uses the gun 122mm Howitzer M910/30.

 

R-4/T-4 H* (Medium Tank) -> Is a modified version of the German Pz IV H tank. A different turret and an original Romanian gun 75mm Resita M1942. The non-modified version also existed in the Romanian army under the name T-4 H. 
Vanatorul de Care R-35  (Light Tank) -> An improved version of the Romanian  R35/T-26  tank. The  French R-35 turret was kept due to having thicker armor  and only the more powerful  45mm 20-K  gun of the  Soviet  T-26  was added . An  extension to constrain the recoil of the new gun was added. A new mantlet was made.  A significant amount of the o riginal French-made parts, from both the original and converted R-35 tanks were replaced by Romanian-produced spares.  Better transmission and n ew  wheels designed locally to be ten times more durable were added. The Romanian-converted R-35 had significant Romanian-manufactured parts in its hull, transmission and turret.

TACAM R-2  (Tank Destroyer) -> Is a modified version of the Romanian  R-2  tank. A different turret and the guns 76mm ZiS-3, 75mm Resita M1943.

Maresal M-02 (Tank Destroyer) -> An improved version of the Romanian  Maresal M-01  tank. It has a larger but stronger hull.

Maresal M-03 (Tank Destroyer) -> An improved version of the Romanian  Maresal M-02  tank. It has an even larger and stronger hull. Welded armour plates and reinforced inner structure.

 

T34-85R (Medium Tank) -> Is a modified version of the Soviet  T-34  tank. A  different turret and the 85mm S-53 gun. 

TACAM T-38  (Tank Destroyer) ->  Is a modified version of the German Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) Ausf. S tank. A  different turret and the guns 76mm ZiS-3, 76mm F-22 M1936.

Maresal M-04  (Tank Destroyer) ->  An improved version of the Romanian  Maresal M-03  tank. It has a lower caliber weapon, the 75mm Resita M1939 and a modified hull.

TACAM R-2-88  (Tank Destroyer) ->  An improved version of the Romanian  TACAM R-2  tank. Capable of using larger caliber guns, the 88mm KwK 36 L/56 and 88mm PaK 43 L/71

 

T34E-120*  (Medium Tank) ->  Is a modified version of the Soviet  T-34  tank. A  different turret and the guns 120mm Howitzer and 122mm Howitzer. The blueprint was made but the project was dropped due to Romania's inability to produce the necessary parts to handle the recoil of these large guns.

Maresal M-05  (Tank Destroyer) ->  An improved version of the Romanian  Maresal M-04  tank. The T-60 chasis was dropped in favor of a Romanian design and the suspensions were improved.

 

T34E-150* (Medium Tank) -> Is a modified version of the Soviet  T-34  tank. A  different turret and the guns 150mm Howitzer. The blueprint was made but the project was dropped due to Romania's inability to produce the necessary parts to handle the recoil of this large gun.
Maresal M-06 (Tank Destroyer) -> An improved version of the Romanian  Maresal M-05  tank. It required 1 more crew member to ease the job of the gunner and a new 75mm DT-UDR gun.

TR-77  (Heavy Tank) -> TR stands for Romanian Tank, "Tank Romanesc" and 77 is the year of production. It uses the 100mm A308 M1975 gun.
Model 89  (Tank Destroyer) ->  Is a modified version of the Soviet  2S1  tank. It has a Romanian degined chassis and uses the 122mm 2A31 gun.

MLI-84  (Light Tank) ->  Is a modified version of the Soviet  BMP-1  tank. It has a Romanian degined chassis and uses the 73mm 2A28 gun.

APRA-40  (Artilery) ->  Is a modified version of the Soviet  BM-21 Grad  tank. Based on the DAC-665T six-by-six and 15.215 DFAEG trucks.

TAB-77 1982  (Medium Tank) -> Is a modified version of the Soviet  BTR-70  tank. Most of the use a 14,5mm machine gun but there are also those with 73 mm 2A28  guns.

APR Aurora (Artilery) ->  An original Romanian tank, it uses an ARO truck and a 12mm M21-OF-S gun.

TR-77-580  (Heavy Tank) ->  Is a modified version of the Soviet  T-55  tank. It has a thicker armor and uses the guns 100mm A308 M1975 and 100mm A308 M1977.
MLI-84-M1 Jderul  (Light Tank) ->  An improved version of the Romanian  MLI-84 tank. It has a new turret, a better engine and a 25 mm Oerlikon KBA autocannon.
LAROM  (Artilery) ->  An original Romanian tank, uses LAR Mk IV rockets or GRAD 122mm rockets.

TAB-77 1983  (Medium Tank) ->  An improved version of the Romanian  TAB-77 1982 tank, it has a 30mm gun and 9M14M "Malyutka" ATGM.
CA-95  (Artilery) ->  Is a modified version of the Soviet  9K31 Strela-1  tank. Armed with four A95M-RC missles in 2 containers.

TR-85 (Heavy Tank) -> An improved version of the Romanian  TR-77-580 tank. The engine and transmission were improved by using foreign technology.
TR-85-M1 Bizonul (Heavy Tank) -> An improved version of the Romanian  TR-85 tank. In accordance with current NATO standards, uses a T-block powerpack similar to German Leopard 1 tank, an improved turret, a fire system, laser range-finder, night vision.

Zimbru 2000 (Light Tank) -> Zimbru or European Bison is an original Romanian tank. It uses a  25mm gun or 30mm Rheinmetall gun, and Malyutka/Spike ATGM on sides.

Saur 2 (Light Tank) -> An original Romanian tank, i t can be armed with different turrets, such as 25mm gun with triple ATGM.

LAROM 160 (Artilery) -> An improved version of the Romanian  LAROM tank, uses LAR Mk.IV 160mm rockets.
TR-125 (Heavy Tank) -> Is a modified version of the Soviet  T-72  tank. It has a Romanian degined turret and chassis.

 

And this even older tech tree:

 

I'm not suggesting using these tech trees designs, they are not fit for War Thunder, but it does show that there are plenty of Romanian tanks and airplanes to choose from.

 

A lot of info can be found int Mark Axworthy's book "Third Axis' Fourth Ally".

Overall, I think Romania has more than enough tanks for a full-fledged Tech Tree. And even more airplanes than tanks.

 

You have a light then medium tanks line: R-1, R-2c, R-2a, R-3, R-4, T-34/85R, T-34E/120, T-34E/150.

You have a purely light tank line: Carul de Lupta R-35, AB Md. 1941, T-26/37mm, R-35/T-26, Vanatorul de Care R-35, Flakpanzer Maresal.

You have a heavy tank destroyer line: Maresal M-00, Maresal M-01, Maresal M-02, Maresal M-03, Maresal M-04, Maresal M-05, Maresal M-06.

And a light tank destroyer line: TACAM R-1, TACAM T-60, TACAM T-60A, TACAM R-38, TACAM R-2, TACAM R-2 Resita, TACAM R-2/88.

 

And this is without including captured vehicles that are basically copy-paste of other nations.

 

When I look at the Romanian tech tree line few things come in mind:

- Focus on huge guns, I mean really big mm.

- An improvization army, usually taking different parts from different French, Czech, German and Russian tanks and mixing them together in an unique way.

- Focus on high damage but either huge armor or great speed.

- Also a focus on good geometry for good riochet chance, especially the Maresal series.

- Except for a few models, really bad speed. I think it would be an interesting glass-cannon nation.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Akfiz

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On 23/05/2022 at 17:22, Akfiz said:

When it comes to airplanes, Romania can compete with major nations as it had a lot of IAR airplane models, there was a IAR plane for everything:

- IAR 11 CV L

- IAR 11 CV H

- IAR 12

- IAR 13

- IAR 14

- IAR 15

- IAR 16

- IAR-21

- IAR-22

- IAR-23

- IAR-24

- IAR-27

- IAR 37

- IAR 38

- IAR 39

- IAR 39A

- IAR 47

- IAR 471

- IAR JRS 79B

- IAR JRS 79B-1

- IAR 80

- IAR 80A

- IAR 80B

- IAR DB601 Aa

- IAR 80M

- IAR 80M Jumo 221 Da

- IAR 81

- IAR 81A

- IAR 81B

- IAR 81C

- IAR 81 Gnome Rhome

- IAR 81 Concarde 1950

- La-7

- Bf 109G-6

- Bf 109G-6A

- IAR 81 BMW

- IAR 81 DB

- MIG 15

- MIG 17F

- IAR 93

- IAR 99 Soim

Half of them are suitable for BR. 1.0-1.3. The other half are IAR 80-81 variants, of which most of them can't reach 600 km/h. Romania in no way can compete with Italy and France. Both of them have more aircraft and tanks missing, than Romania has to offer in total. When you compare it to the 3 major nations, the difference is even greater.

Edited May 25, 2022 by LukTroy

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MLI-84M in its initial configuration (imo both variant would be cool to see ):

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Gepard with CA-94M missiles

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SA-8 (9k33)

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PS not land, but if you would like to support, my suggestion for IAR-317:

 

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Since the Finnish Sub-tree was added, there’s an increased chance we could see more sub-tree’s such as a Romanian Sub-tree to supplement gaps in the Italian tree. If anyone has additional ideas for the Romanian’s, please continue to post them in the comments! 

 

I also noticed some images/links were broken, I will update this in the near future 

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I made one (only missing vessels)

GF:

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AF

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Helicopters:

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Explanation:

Ground:

Spike equipped vehicles are not included (because I don't really know where to put them for now [until I see how they will perform in the game].

This subtree has its pros and cons:
+ it adds a fair amount of well-armored tanks (a lack of armor is a serious problem of the Italian TT);
+ a heavy tank exists for this TT (so you don't need other nations to perform daily tasks);
+ boost to AA line, including top tier SAM (SA-8);
+ very unique low tier stuff (mainly Hungarian tanks and few Romanian TDs);
+ powerful early ifvs;
+ boost to a lacking Italian top tier in terms of MBTs (TR-85M1, Leo 2A4HU and possible in the future Leo 2A7HU);
- presence of C&P (German Panther and Tiger, slightly different but still should be considered C&P Hungarian Leos, Romanian SA-8[9K33]);
- presence of modernized Soviet stuff [can be a problem for some people].

Planes:

There can be more planes but I tried to include only ones in which I'm sure (there is enough info and photos imo).

Also as both Hungary and Romania had a lot of German and Soviet (+ some other like Polish and Czech) planes in inventory, so some of them can be copypasted there (especially in the premium section).

Hungarian and Romanian modernizations of Italian planes (MAVAG Heja II and JRS-79 variants) are placed within folders with respective Italian planes.

The subtree is mainly represented by Romanian stuff as there isn't much of unique Hungarian planes unfortunately.

So pros and cons:
+ the addition of CAS capable planes to the regular TT (IAR-81, IAR 99, IAR 93, Me 210);
+ the presence of jet bomber if we include Romanian H-5 (which can make the grind of rank V-VI jets way easier);
+ powerful jet dogfighters (including unique Romanian modernizations of MiG-21 and MiG-29);
+ a large pool of possible additions (especially for the premium branch);
- presence of C&P (mainly Soviet);
- at high tier a mix of Western and Eastern technologies can be negative for some people;
- most of planes are mainly modernizations rather than completely unique planes (P11f and P23E are Romanian variants of licensed built Polish planes, Me 210Ca-1 are Hungarian variants of the German Me 210, Romanian Bf 109 Ga-6 is a slightly different variant of the German G-6 and etc);

Helies :

Adding a small branch of IAR helicopters + 1 Hungarian squadron Mi-24V upgraded in 2017 (differs from the original one by the presence of NVD)

Edit: Air TT updated:
Added WM-21 at the start of the line (should be enough for 1.0);
Romanian PZL variants are now in the folder;
Added export variant of Ju86K-2 unique to Hungary;
all planes of IAR-80/81 family are now placed at rank 2; 
Romanian Bf-109Ga-6 moved to rank 3 (though not necessary change);
Added Fw 190F-8 which both Hungary and Romania (captured) used (under Hungarian flag in the tree);
Added B-33 - Czechoslovakian licensed-built IL-10 (1946) [should be identical, but maybe with some minor differences] used by both Hungary and Romania postwar;
MiG-23MF changed to MiG-23UB, it will have worse AAMs (only R-3S and R-13M), but can be placed at lower BR and be unique to this TT, used by both Hungary and Romania.

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by _Condottiero_

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2 hours ago, _Condottiero_ said:

I made one (only missing vessels)

GF:

Reveal hidden contents

 

AF

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Helicopters:

Reveal hidden contents

 

Explanation:

Ground:

Spike equipped vehicles are not included (because I don't really know where to put them for now [until I see how they will perform in the game].

This subtree has its pros and cons:
+ it adds a fair amount of well-armored tanks (a lack of armor is a serious problem of the Italian TT);
+ a heavy tank exists for this TT (so you don't need other nations to perform daily tasks);
+ boost to AA line, including top tier SAM (SA-8);
+ very unique low tier stuff (mainly Hungarian tanks and few Romanian TDs);
+ powerful early ifvs;
+ boost to a lacking Italian top tier in terms of MBTs (TR-85M1, Leo 2A4HU and possible in the future Leo 2A7HU);
- presence of C&P (German Panther and Tiger, slightly different but still should be considered C&P Hungarian Leos, Romanian SA-8[9K33]);
- presence of modernized Soviet stuff [can be a problem for some people].

Planes:

There can be more planes but I tried to include only ones in which I'm sure (there is enough info and photos imo).

Also as both Hungary and Romania had a lot of German and Soviet (+ some other like Polish and Czech) planes in inventory, so some of them can be copypasted there (especially in the premium section).

Hungarian and Romanian modernizations of Italian planes (MAVAG Heja II and JRS-79 variants) are placed within folders with respective Italian planes.

The subtree is mainly represented by Romanian stuff as there isn't much of unique Hungarian planes unfortunately.

So pros and cons:
+ the addition of CAS capable planes to the regular TT (IAR-81, IAR 99, IAR 93, Me 210);
+ the presence of jet bomber if we include Romanian H-5 (which can make the grind of rank V-VI jets way easier);
+ powerful jet dogfighters (including unique Romanian modernizations of MiG-21 and MiG-29);
+ a large pool of possible additions (especially for the premium branch);
- presence of C&P (mainly Soviet);
- at high tier a mix of Western and Eastern technologies can be negative for some people;
- most of planes are mainly modernizations rather than completely unique planes (P11f and P23E are Romanian variants of licensed built Polish planes, Me 210Ca-1 are Hungarian variants of the German Me 210, Romanian Bf 109 Ga-6 is a slightly different variant of the German G-6 and etc);

Helies :

Adding a small branch of IAR helicopters + 1 Hungarian squadron Mi-24V upgraded in 2017 (differs from the original one by the presence of NVD)

I actually have a suggestion for a Romanian Coastal forces sub-tree! If Romania is added to Italy, I'd really like it to be added too since Italy currently has the weakest navy.

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57 minutes ago, JamesPond1200@psn said:

I actually have a suggestion for a Romanian Coastal forces sub-tree! If Romania is added to Italy, I'd really like it to be added too since Italy currently has the weakest navy.

Yeah, I saw) I was going to insert some Hungarian river gunboats, but the information is quite hard to find. Also about bluewater TT, I am not sure if we can include Austro-Hungarian vessels, like SMS Tegetthoff for example.

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24 minutes ago, _Condottiero_ said:

Yeah, I saw) I was going to insert some Hungarian river gunboats, but the information is quite hard to find. Also about bluewater TT, I am not sure if we can include Austro-Hungarian vessels, like SMS Tegetthoff for example.

Possibly, since they are part of Hungarian history. What Hungarian coastal vessels did you have?

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47 minutes ago, JamesPond1200@psn said:

Possibly, since they are part of Hungarian history. What Hungarian coastal vessels did you have?

https://www.navypedia.org/ships/hungary/hu_index.htm

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58 minutes ago, _Condottiero_ said:

https://www.navypedia.org/ships/hungary/hu_index.htm

Not many that really fit the meta, but there are a few which might work!

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I really want to see Romanian tech tree in game. Romanian vehicles are scattered across all tech trees as premiums so why not do a tech tree for them?