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Do you want the KF51 ingame?  

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  1. 1. Do you want the KF51 ingame?

    • Yes.
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    • No.
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  2. 2. What BR should it get?

    • 11.3 or lower
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    • 11.7 to 12.0
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    • 12.3 to 12.7
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    • 13.0 or higher
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19 hours ago, Arakneo said:

the turret armored block remain those of a 2A4 as shown here 

That image shows the opposite though?

I am not sure what is highlighted there but is has nothing to do with the 2A4 turret.

 

The left side of the cheek extends over the turret neck guard on the hull on a 2A4, and has only a very small gap.

The angle of the cheek also matches the curvature, and is essentially parallel.

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The opposite can be seen in that picture you linked. It does not extend over the hull neck guard, and has a much different angle.

 

The rest is also far from it:

  • As demonstrated, the cheek armor does not match.
  • Top location of the gunner optics don't macht with either 2A4 nor 2A5 etc.
  • The gunners backup sight in the mantlet is at a different location
  • The Peri location does not match
  • Trunnion size should not be compatible with the turret, and would require core structural changes to work.
  • The crew hatches are much closer to the front (would not be possible on a 2A4 turret due to the armor block behind the gunner sight).
  • The roof is much flatter with different weld marks
  • On a normal Leopard 2 the gunner / commander hatches are reinforced on the inside, this is not the case on the KF51
  • The entire bustle does not match in shape or size
  • The side composite on the turret is much shorter, possibly missing completely from the 2A4. Instead it is probably taken by the externally mounted module instead.
  • Key structural elements, such as the hooks on the trunnion are missing.

Only thing that could be similar would be the turret bottom, as i.e. the turret ring as the needs to remain compatible with the Leo 2 hull.

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On 14/06/2022 at 15:17, Arakneo said:

the hull of the panther is the hull of a 2A4 with external composite add on so it should be sligthly above the Strv 122 level of protection but still remain weak compared to a 2A7

That's impossible to tell. The hull was based on a 2A4 but there's absolutely nothing about it's armour values. They probably reworked the entire composite.

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The tank simply isnt based on Leopard at all, as Rheinmetall has said its a completely new MBT. Regardless of what the display tank might look like, the tank isnt based on any Leopard.

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It cant be the 2A4 Hull dont know how People come to that as the Driver for Example doesnt sit at the same place. It might be have something from the leopard chassis, but its not a 2A4 Chassis.

5 minutes ago, Capt_JamesTKirk said:

According to what Rheinmetall has said, its not based on 2A4 and is completely new MBT.

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On 18/06/2022 at 16:01, TERVEPIG3 said:

 

It cant be the 2A4 Hull dont know how People come to that as the Driver for Example doesnt sit at the same place. It might be have something from the leopard chassis, but its not a 2A4 Chassis.

I feel like people read some 123defencenowtotallylegittrustmenews.com.org.ru page and are using that as some kind of source that the KF51 Panther is just some upgrade armour package level thing for Leopard 2a4.

 

Edit: Well apparently its so confusing to someone that KF51 Panther is infact a new tank and not a Leopard 2A4 upgrade, I suggest yall research before you post any but muh 2A4 hull level false information.

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A few new infos became available: 

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the 130 mm L52 FGS was designed for a 40–50 tonne vehicle and had an effective range of over 3,500 m against 1,000 mm of rolled homogeneous armour.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/rheinmetall-identifies-markets-for-kf51-panther-tank

 

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According to Rheinmetall the automatic ammunition loading/management system achieves a minimum loading time of < 4 seconds and a feeding time of < 2 seconds, while the optimal time between two shots is < 3 seconds.

 

 

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Panther Kf-51 firepower is based on the 130mm L52 gun (vertical movement: -9 o to +20 o) fully digital tower guidance system, stabilization system and tower operation backup system. According to Rheinmetall the Panther Kf-51 gun is 50% more effective than the 120mm guns in service at longer ranges. It can fire new kinetic energy, high-explosive, and Air Burst munitions. Comes with fully automatic 20 round ammo loading/management system (an additional 10 ammo is outside the loading system)

 

 

 

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The combat weight of the Panther Kf-51 is approximately 59 tons and achieves a typical range of 500 kilometers. The maximum speed it reaches is 70 kilometers per hour (forward motion) and 30 kilometers per hour (reverse motion). Accelerates, from 0 to 40 kilometers per hour within 8 seconds. [This is identical 6s to 32km/h]

 

 

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Some more images (most are not that useful) at the source.

src: https://defencereview.gr/ellinikos-stratos-chtizontas-to-mello/

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21 minutes ago, Yoshi_E said:
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According to Rheinmetall the automatic ammunition loading/management system achieves a minimum loading time of 4 seconds and a feeding time of 2 seconds, while the optimal time between two shots is 3 seconds.

 

Thats quite a fast system there!

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Ahh yes. 

German attempt at finding somewhat useful solution to empty 2A4 hulls without breaking the chassie like it happens on moust armor packages forcing curret users to literally dissasamble  and reasasamble majority of the hull, as weight of upgrade packages causes side wall of the tank to distort beyond  it was designed to do.

 

Also German government demanded to scrap name "panther" as that would imply that germans where natzies. 

 

doubt that any reasonable information letting this tank to be recreated in game will get out to the public before our beloved game becomes absolete.

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On 19/12/2022 at 07:13, Radeon77pl said:

Ahh yes. 

German attempt at finding somewhat useful solution to empty 2A4 hulls without breaking the chassie like it happens on moust armor packages forcing curret users to literally dissasamble  and reasasamble majority of the hull, as weight of upgrade packages causes side wall of the tank to distort beyond  it was designed to do.

 

Also German government demanded to scrap name "panther" as that would imply that germans where natzies. 

 

doubt that any reasonable information letting this tank to be recreated in game will get out to the public before our beloved game becomes absolete.

 

what are your point here? its simply a new tank not a tank based on leopard 2 chassis like rheinmetall said.

 

also since when did name panther has anything to do with naz*s? there was a tank called leopard in ww2 made by germany yet its still used fine today same with puma,lynx and marder ifv.

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6 hours ago, Mako_Reizei1 said:

 

what are your point here? its simply a new tank not a tank based on leopard 2 chassis like rheinmetall said.

 

also since when did name panther has anything to do with naz*s? there was a tank called leopard in ww2 made by germany yet its still used fine today same with puma,lynx and marder ifv.

To begin with, Germany has not yet announced a State tender for the purchase of new tanks...The developments of two competing groups -EMBT /KF-51 are going in an initiative order ... due to current events in the world-we need to have time to stake out the territory in anticipation of possible orders...

In the past, KMW and Rheinmetall collaborated on the creation of the Leopard 2 tank. The first made a hull and a turret, the second — a cannon. But they could not agree this time...

1.As a result, KMW had to go to the French for help, and therefore the EMBT will not use the German 120-mm caliber gun, which has become the standard in NATO, but the French 120 and 140-mm...

2.In turn, Rheinmetall cannot use any developments from the Leopard 2 tower and hull...The corporation does not have its own modern chassis. There is a Challenger 2 bought from the British..Accordingly, the new chassis has yet to be created anew...

3.The exhibition showed a new turret with a 130-mm cannon on a Leopard 2 chassis, disguised with beautiful plastic panels. However, you will have to develop your own — otherwise there is no way. Rheinmetall cannot sell tanks with an old hull, because competitors have all patents for it. But when the new set of units will be ready, it is not at all clear...

 

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