tanks/vehicles M48A2GA2 - West German Modified Patton

[Conraire 5,723]

+1 from me, Voted yes, But.... due to the time Period these tanks were modified.  They would very likely have had access to DM23 APFSDS which came about around the same time.  Plus they were kept in service slightly longer than the Leopard 1, which means they may possibly have had access to later 105mm apfsds in the real world.  Placement in the current BR system would be difficult, better armor, and access to much more powerful ammo than the Leopard1's of the time, but no stabilizer. 

[*AceArchangel 909]

5 minutes ago, Conraire said:

+1 from me, Voted yes, But.... due to the time Period these tanks were modified.  They would very likely have had access to DM23 APFSDS which came about around the same time.  Plus they were kept in service slightly longer than the Leopard 1, which means they may possibly have had access to later 105mm apfsds in the real world.  Placement in the current BR system would be difficult, better armor, and access to much more powerful ammo than the Leopard1's of the time, but no stabilizer. 

It doesn't need to have access to it, but I do see what you are saying and it would be nice just to have it no matter it's placement.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

On 4.8.2017 at 7:27 AM, *AceArchangel said:

Edit: If anyone is able to find the armour values of the new gunshield/mantlet and could post it in the comments I would be very grateful

iirc its just a very thin steel sheet cover. the original cover is still under it.
http://tanknutdave.com/the-german-m48a2ga2-tank-a-super-m48-tank-upgrades/
 

 

Edited August 6, 2017 by dotEXCEL

[*AceArchangel 909]

2 hours ago, dotEXCEL said:

iirc its just a very thin steel sheet cover. the original cover is still under it.
http://tanknutdave.com/the-german-m48a2ga2-tank-a-super-m48-tank-upgrades/
 

 

That's a big help thank you very much!

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

huh. so that extra armor sheet on the front is basically just a schurzen for the front? 'aight.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

2 hours ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

huh. so that extra armor sheet on the front is basically just a schurzen for the front? 'aight.

yes they had to drill up the diameter of the 90mm so the L7 could fit. and to make that thing waterproof again they applied that "shield". sorry to disappoint you

Edited August 7, 2017 by dotEXCEL

[Sirchby 3,711]

Is there any documentation of its mantlet installation?

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

26 minutes ago, Sirchby said:

Is there any documentation of its mantlet installation?

nope. i was in the tank-museum munster. the guide (was BW tanker in that time on the german M48) told me that the BW didnt want to buy the upgrade-set of the A5, so the BW ''customized'' old mounts. i saw the new ''mantlet'' detached. its not really thick i would guess max. 15mm

[Sirchby 3,711]

Hmm, maybe Godman & Mo_guy can help you with the base mantlet thickness.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

25 minutes ago, Sirchby said:

Hmm, maybe Godman & Mo_guy can help you with the base mantlet thickness.

its the same as for the M48A2

[Querulous1 3,276]

Support this (with the better ammunition )

[Sirchby 3,711]

31 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

its the same as for the M48A2

 

It's thicker than just 152 mm.

 

I remember its mantlet is similar to M60A1 by gun mount.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

11 minutes ago, Sirchby said:

 

It's thicker than just 152 mm.

 

I remember its mantlet is similar to M60A1 by gun mount.

what im saying is that the mantlet remained the same as on the A2 + that round about 15mm thick huge shield. thats it

[Sirchby 3,711]

3 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

what im saying is that the mantlet remained the same as on the A2 + that round about 15mm thick huge shield. thats it

Well, unless you want that tank to have the same 152 mm gun shield as the current Patton A1 it is

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

6 hours ago, Sirchby said:

Well, unless you want that tank to have the same 152 mm gun shield as the current Patton A1 it is

well thats what we used

[tavo89 381]

+1

[RB_Hawkz 96]

no

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

5 hours ago, RB_Hawkz said:

no

why?

[Lucass_CABJ 62]

Yes +1

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

@*AceArchangel
i have some Pics for you xD
Page 1: http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/in_detail/m48a2ga2/m48a2ga2.htm
Page 2: http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/in_detail/m48a2ga2/m48a2ga2_2.htm

 

there are some pics of the Gunshield as well

 

Edited August 28, 2017 by dotEXCEL

[*AceArchangel 909]

On 28/08/2017 at 5:42 AM, dotEXCEL said:

@*AceArchangel
i have some Pics for you xD
Page 1: http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/in_detail/m48a2ga2/m48a2ga2.htm
Page 2: http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/in_detail/m48a2ga2/m48a2ga2_2.htm

 

there are some pics of the Gunshield as well

 

Much appreciated!

[stefffff1871 2,448]

+1 for in the regular tree.

[*AceArchangel 909]

5 hours ago, stefffff1871 said:

+1 for in the regular tree.

Thank you for your support, hopefully we can look forward to seeing this in the game soon!

[Banfly 588]

It would be an interesting 7.7 or even  8.0 tank (if it got the DM23 APFSDS round), wouldn't make sense being higher due to the lack of gun stabilization and overall worse armor compared to the M60's which sits at 7.7. It would certainly help Germany in the armor department which it lacks severely and would make for a more balanced nation. Germany would still retain a flanking/sniping tank the leopard and get a slower but better armored tank thus making it slightly more suitable to face enemies frontally. Big plus to this suggestion!

Edited November 6, 2017 by Banfly

[Dundee93 508]

I support. I would like to see all nations get the vehicles that were used by their military. +1

As far as BR goes, I think both the Leopard I and the M60 got under-tiered, and this should be at about 8.0 (one thing to keep in mind is that the lineup will affect combat performance. An M48A5 and an M60 will perform as a unique combo from a Leopard I and M48A2GA2). 

 

Also, Gaijin may have ruined this by putting the M47 as a premium, but it seems to me it would have made sense to make the post war German tree the West German tree, with East German equipment as premium (given that West Germany is the political predecessor to the current German state and was responsible for developing uniquely German equipment). 

Maybe we can persuade them to change the M47 to be a T-54 and put the German M47 in the regular tree (maybe keeping the premium M47 as a limited edition premium or replacing it with one using a special skin). 

Edited November 6, 2017 by Dundee93
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